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the thing that pisses me off more than murdering VFR is when the drummer / singing section start a different song when the team comes out and the red red robin is playing - show some respect to our true anthem and encourage people to join in with it, don't start something else that drowns it out ffs10
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Yeah, in block H, and the first half we just couldn't get it going. Second half was like the playoffs again. I've no idea what triggers a good or bad response tbh, but it felt very very flat that first half.Croydon said:First half was dreadful but I think the early goal caused that.
Second half was pretty decent in the covered end upper I thought1 -
You want "more effort" from people in the West Stand?
You realise how patronising and insulting that sounds, yeah?2 -
Agree with this. Quite a few where I sit/ sometimes stand!! Belt out red red robin. It should be our 1st song, I’d play it louder to drown anything else out.DOUCHER said:the thing that pisses me off more than murdering VFR is when the drummer / singing section start a different song when the team comes out and the red red robin is playing - show some respect to our true anthem and encourage people to join in with it, don't start something else that drowns it out ffs0 -
your day trippers / fairweather floaters are generally in the east and west and the demographic of the hardcore in there is older - naturally they will not be as noisy / committed / putting as much effort in on the vocal side of things - at least their at the ground so for me they score at least 1 of the 3+ points available. Got a season ticket they get 2 and sing their hearts out for 90+ minutes they get 3+0
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I can answer the bad response bit, last second goal conceded at pompey and 2nd minute one at home, it’s a real kick in the bollox.ArmchairAddick said:
Yeah, in block H, and the first half we just couldn't get it going. Second half was like the playoffs again. I've no idea what triggers a good or bad response tbh, but it felt very very flat that first half.Croydon said:First half was dreadful but I think the early goal caused that.
Second half was pretty decent in the covered end upper I thought1 -
I suppose so, but at some points this season we'd got even louder after going one down 🤷 I guess this has been a few poor games on the run and, yes, a second minute goal after Monday night obviously wouldn't help I suppose!Sword65pf said:
I can answer the bad response bit, last second goal conceded at pompey and 2nd minute one at home, it’s a real kick in the bollox.ArmchairAddick said:
Yeah, in block H, and the first half we just couldn't get it going. Second half was like the playoffs again. I've no idea what triggers a good or bad response tbh, but it felt very very flat that first half.Croydon said:First half was dreadful but I think the early goal caused that.
Second half was pretty decent in the covered end upper I thought
Only just realised that means two goals conceded in about two and a half minutes of play 😬0 -
agreed - its not as exciting or whatever as some but most old traditional club songs aren't - long periods of birminghams to the end of the road or whatever it is are pretty dismal / depressing but full respect to the effort they put in to respecting the tradition and it is rousing - so is the red red robin to me.Sword65pf said:
Agree with this. Quite a few where I sit/ sometimes stand!! Belt out red red robin. It should be our 1st song, I’d play it louder to drown anything else out.DOUCHER said:the thing that pisses me off more than murdering VFR is when the drummer / singing section start a different song when the team comes out and the red red robin is playing - show some respect to our true anthem and encourage people to join in with it, don't start something else that drowns it out ffs0 -
Aha. Dont know why it was stuck in my head then. He said it mid 90s, we had beaten his team who were flying quite high at the time.oohaahmortimer said:I sit just nearer the away end other side of directors box and our atmosphere can get going but we need a following wind , we haven’t got the personality or passion of these northern clubs who don’t need a big challenge and a manager jumping up and down trying to orchestrate some noise from the fans .
When it does get going it’s decent enough , i’m one of the oddballs who will join in from the west lower but there’s minimal signing from there .
id love us to be a wall of noise and passion for 90+ mins of hard graft and a work out to support the Addicks but that’s just my wet dreams where we bring 7k to Blackburn tomorrow and sell out all away ends wherever in the country and under any Circumstances.
@PragueAddick Hoddle never managed Sheffield utd … Swindon or soton were his S teams I think0 -
Also our song choice is not very original and sung too fast, other than VFR our most catchy tune alez alez we seem to be the only club that has attached “going up/promotion” to it , hence were limited to when it can be sung, unless one of our song writers can amend the end lyrics??0
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It’s just the lyrics none more so than, LLLBH, that resonates with me, just gives me that comfortable Charlton feeling that’s always been there as a constant in my life.DOUCHER said:
agreed - its not as exciting or whatever as some but most old traditional club songs aren't - long periods of birminghams to the end of the road or whatever it is are pretty dismal / depressing but full respect to the effort they put in to respecting the tradition and it is rousing - so is the red red robin to me.Sword65pf said:
Agree with this. Quite a few where I sit/ sometimes stand!! Belt out red red robin. It should be our 1st song, I’d play it louder to drown anything else out.DOUCHER said:the thing that pisses me off more than murdering VFR is when the drummer / singing section start a different song when the team comes out and the red red robin is playing - show some respect to our true anthem and encourage people to join in with it, don't start something else that drowns it out ffs0 -
Well I've changed it to "staying up", because I'm pragmatic like that 😜Ilovelondontown said:Also our song choice is not very original and sung too fast, other than VFR our most catchy tune alez alez we seem to be the only club that has attached “going up/promotion” to it , hence were limited to when it can be sung, unless one of our song writers can amend the end lyrics??4 -
You are right though, we’ve had some really loud responses to going a goal down this season, I put that down to us pulling together as a fan base off the back of promotion and knowing we are a bit more up against it.ArmchairAddick said:
I suppose so, but at some points this season we'd got even louder after going one down 🤷 I guess this has been a few poor games on the run and, yes, a second minute goal after Monday night obviously wouldn't help I suppose!Sword65pf said:
I can answer the bad response bit, last second goal conceded at pompey and 2nd minute one at home, it’s a real kick in the bollox.ArmchairAddick said:
Yeah, in block H, and the first half we just couldn't get it going. Second half was like the playoffs again. I've no idea what triggers a good or bad response tbh, but it felt very very flat that first half.Croydon said:First half was dreadful but I think the early goal caused that.
Second half was pretty decent in the covered end upper I thought
Only just realised that means two goals conceded in about two and a half minutes of play 😬4 -
Agreed. Belting RRR out at Wembley was class. We should do it more oftenDOUCHER said:the thing that pisses me off more than murdering VFR is when the drummer / singing section start a different song when the team comes out and the red red robin is playing - show some respect to our true anthem and encourage people to join in with it, don't start something else that drowns it out ffs3 -
Could do a rendition of this: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR9IK2_jcaj/?igsh=NjcwdHZwZmk5NHA00
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we've agreed on something at lastCroydon said:
Agreed. Belting RRR out at Wembley was class. We should do it more oftenDOUCHER said:the thing that pisses me off more than murdering VFR is when the drummer / singing section start a different song when the team comes out and the red red robin is playing - show some respect to our true anthem and encourage people to join in with it, don't start something else that drowns it out ffs
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Really think that RRR should be a proper chant at ever game. Belting out "Live, love, laugh and be happy!'DOUCHER said:the thing that pisses me off more than murdering VFR is when the drummer / singing section start a different song when the team comes out and the red red robin is playing - show some respect to our true anthem and encourage people to join in with it, don't start something else that drowns it out ffs2 -
Just on the chants thing, can someone please post a sticky thread of all current chants and lyrics (closed for comments, just the songs please). I’m rubbish at remembering lyrics, but would definitely sing more if I knew the relevant words.Braziliance said:
It does make a difference. When you stand your arms are more free, movement correlates with noise, think lead singers and people making speeches making movements. There is definitely something behind movement, energy and sound.follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
In the covered End lower, if you sit, there is no leg room, literally zero if someone sits near you, you can barely move your arms, whereas at least if you stand, people can shuffle backwards and forwards, your arms become more free, similar to Portman Road.
Obviously I've ruffled a few feathers with this view about our home support, but the thread asked a question, and I answered it. We could do a lot lot more imo.
Happy to start chants away, as it feels people will get involved, at home, it's egg on face scenario, you do it in the West and you get looked at like you've disrupted a minutes silence.
As fans, our voices can directly impact the game negatively or positively, and I don't think we do anywhere near enough at home.
As for the comments about it being noisy from players and managers, it's just being media savvy. Like when a manager says "it's a tough place to come" at quite literally any ground in the UK. It's a complete cliché.
Away there is no denying when we are at it, we really are at it. Plenty of Pompey fans told me we were the best to visit Fratton Park all season again, at home, if the CE Upper and some sections of the Lower decided to be quiet, you wouldn't hear much. Other than when we score maybe.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.6 -
Not sure you really need lyrics but here you are...CarltonAthleticDance said:
Just on the chants thing, can someone please post a sticky thread of all current chants and lyrics (closed for comments, just the songs please). I’m rubbish at remembering lyrics, but would definitely sing more if I knew the relevant words.Braziliance said:
It does make a difference. When you stand your arms are more free, movement correlates with noise, think lead singers and people making speeches making movements. There is definitely something behind movement, energy and sound.follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
In the covered End lower, if you sit, there is no leg room, literally zero if someone sits near you, you can barely move your arms, whereas at least if you stand, people can shuffle backwards and forwards, your arms become more free, similar to Portman Road.
Obviously I've ruffled a few feathers with this view about our home support, but the thread asked a question, and I answered it. We could do a lot lot more imo.
Happy to start chants away, as it feels people will get involved, at home, it's egg on face scenario, you do it in the West and you get looked at like you've disrupted a minutes silence.
As fans, our voices can directly impact the game negatively or positively, and I don't think we do anywhere near enough at home.
As for the comments about it being noisy from players and managers, it's just being media savvy. Like when a manager says "it's a tough place to come" at quite literally any ground in the UK. It's a complete cliché.
Away there is no denying when we are at it, we really are at it. Plenty of Pompey fans told me we were the best to visit Fratton Park all season again, at home, if the CE Upper and some sections of the Lower decided to be quiet, you wouldn't hear much. Other than when we score maybe.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
"Red army"
"CAFC"
"Goodbye horse, goodbye horse, saying goodbye to his horse and as he was saying goodbye to his horse, say goodbye to his horse."6 -
Which many of us in the side stands do, seeing that it's Red Red Robin...Braziliance said:
I don't think it's that unrealistic. It's just people singing, and energy is contagious, I bet there are thousands of fans at our games that want to sing but feel conscious as no one around them is.killerandflash said:
That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure.Braziliance said:follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.DOUCHER said:
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands
The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end.
If these grounds are quiet, all the more reason to be the outlier. Imagine being the only ground in the country where all 4 sing.
Bit of tongue in cheek there as I have been to plenty of grounds where they at least all join in on their club anthem.
Agreed. Maybe if we changed the words of RRR to include being f**king dynamite and f**king hating Millwall, they'd join in...DOUCHER said:the thing that pisses me off more than murdering VFR is when the drummer / singing section start a different song when the team comes out and the red red robin is playing - show some respect to our true anthem and encourage people to join in with it, don't start something else that drowns it out ffs3 -
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And the red red robbin hates effin effin effin millwall, millwall1
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The most unwarranted vilified person in English football of all time. If he were French, he’d have had the status of Platini or Zidane. Hoddle was an unrecognised God of English football. Never has a sacking been so unjustified as he was punished for his religious beliefs. If we’d stuck with him, we wouldn’t have been trophyless during the noughties.PragueAddick said:
I remember Glenn Hoddle when he was manager of Sheffield Utd, praising the Valley crowd. He said "they are patient with their team".AFKABartram said:0 -
I also like glenn as a commentator, offers technical knowledge, yet people right him off because of that whole thing1
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You'd have to rebuild the entire stand, you wouldn't be able to have the dual concourses, the turnstiles would have to be changed, there will be different regulations on how many exits and entrances you have relative to how many seats there are in the one stand, it would be far more complex than people are suggestingDOUCHER said:
it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sectionskillerandflash said:
That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure.Braziliance said:follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.DOUCHER said:
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands
The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end.1 -
Do you mean Southampton? Another red and white striped team. Glenda never managed Sheffield United. Perhaps he did in a past life.PragueAddick said:One thing I would add based on being ever-present via Charlton TV if not in person: we have been flat sometimes in the recent bad run, inevitably, but we haven't turned on the team they way I have heard home crowds do this season when they can't beat poor little Charlton. Birmingham a classic recent example. And that's the downside for clubs like them and other big names further north such as Leeds and especially Sunderland. I really admire Sunderland's support, but when things are going badly, they turn very quickly. The Stadium of Light can be terrifying, but it can also be terrifyingly toxic for the home team. I remember Glenn Hoddle when he was manager of Sheffield Utd, praising the Valley crowd. He said "they are patient with their team". I think that has generally remained true throughout our time back at the Valley. it probably comes from most of us at different times having to wonder what it was we were supporting in that shithole in Croydon, or worse, whether we would still have a club at all in a few months time.0 -
no it wouldn't - leave the concourses and turnstiles exactly as they are - the vomitreys or whatever they're called would need some adjustment, thats allsam3110 said:
You'd have to rebuild the entire stand, you wouldn't be able to have the dual concourses, the turnstiles would have to be changed, there will be different regulations on how many exits and entrances you have relative to how many seats there are in the one stand, it would be far more complex than people are suggestingDOUCHER said:
it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sectionskillerandflash said:
That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure.Braziliance said:follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.DOUCHER said:
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands
The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end.1 -
Have you seen fully costed plans that detail how the reconstruction of the stand could be delivered?DOUCHER said:
it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sectionskillerandflash said:
That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure.Braziliance said:follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.DOUCHER said:
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands
The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end.0 -
No but i don't need to - i've worked in the construction industry for 40 years and could estimate half of London in a morning so trust me.SporadicAddick said:
Have you seen fully costed plans that detail how the reconstruction of the stand could be delivered?DOUCHER said:
it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sectionskillerandflash said:
That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure.Braziliance said:follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.DOUCHER said:
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands
The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end.1 -
What do you do in construction?DOUCHER said:
No but i don't need to - i've worked in the construction industry for 40 years and could estimate half of London in a morning so trust me.SporadicAddick said:
Have you seen fully costed plans that detail how the reconstruction of the stand could be delivered?DOUCHER said:
it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sectionskillerandflash said:
That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure.Braziliance said:follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.DOUCHER said:
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands
The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end.0 -
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What do you do in construction?DOUCHER said:
No but i don't need to - i've worked in the construction industry for 40 years and could estimate half of London in a morning so trust me.SporadicAddick said:
Have you seen fully costed plans that detail how the reconstruction of the stand could be delivered?DOUCHER said:
it wouldn't reduce capacity and it wouldn't cost that much in relative terms - a few million maybe but would considerably enhance the quality of view and leg room for the current CE lower and the increase the volume by merging the two sectionskillerandflash said:
That's unrealistic though. Go to just about every ground in the country, and they'll have a "singing section" whether organic, or something organised by the club, as most spectators everywhere in the ground will be mainly quiet, other than when the team scores or has some decent pressure.Braziliance said:follett said:Not convinced standing up makes that much difference. The best atmospheres will always be when we are doing well. Anyone who came to us in the second half of last season would have been impressed with the atmosphere.Each to their own but I’m not a massive fan of the ultras culture. I’ve never been to palace to see the ‘ultras’ but friends have commented that the overall atmosphere at Selhurst is poor. Scottish football has a lot of it and I’ve never been that impressed when seeing it in person. Even visiting big European sides, the novelty of a pocket of fans standing there waving flags and jumping for 90 minutes quickly dies off. Don’t get me wrong it’s a bit crap when the game is flat and the crowd quiet but I much prefer an atmosphere that ebbs and flows with the game.
Said it multiple times, if every section made an effort like CE Upper, we would have one of the very best home supports. That's why people sitting there assume the atmosphere is great everywhere cause when you are up there, it's class.
It would never happen, as it would cost a load of money and would if anything reduce capacity slightly, but could be done.DOUCHER said:
Would have to re build the lower at a greater rake / angle but as long as it could be done and stay within regulations to marry up with the upper tier and not encroach on the pitch then worth looking at. 2 things that would also need consideration though is how it would join up with the east and west quadrants and the fact you'd lose the view of the pitch from the fans bar - neither insurmountable and would definitely increase the volume.Rothko said:
It’s the thing I would do before filling in the corners etc. just take the top tier done to the bottom and make it a single big stand. Don’t know how much the view from the bar matters nowadaysCroydon said:
I wish we'd made the covered end into a big top style stand rather than two distinct tiers. I appreciate that might have been impossible to build as an extension, but would have been better imofenaddick said:I’ve never sat in the CE lower but do wonder if sometimes the design of the stand means the noise from above doesn’t filter down as much as it does to the pitch or East & West stands
The lower CE rake isn't very good, so if a new and slightly steeper seating tier was built on top of it to meet the upper CE, you could create a large single tier end.0
