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POST-MATCH THREAD: Millwall V Charlton Athletic: Saturday 24th January 2026: KO 12:30
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Not only that I stand by a point I’ve made a few times recently, yes he’s not that great but we are a better team with him in the side and at the end of the day that’s all that matters.sam3110 said:
Doesn't matter if he's shite, it's clearly the way he's handled it. Docherty is the heartbeat of the squad, look at all the videos they do in preseason, behind the scenes in training, the random videos where they ask players who would be the best Traitor etc, he's integral to the morale of the squad, and you piss him off and ostracise him, it's gonna have an impact on the other playersBigDiddy said:
But Docherty was shite in most games I have seen.sam3110 said:So he says he motivates them and coaches them and it's on him, I wonder if he's put 2 and 2 together and realised that ever since he's seemingly frozen the club captain out, the side has lost a lot of it's form, desire and togetherness2 -
Re Chambers. It is very hard as a LWB to do both parts very well. Most LWB's are primarily defenders or wingers.....not both. 45 mins is too soon to judge but I agree that he is probably more an attacker than a defender.PeaksAndValleys said:Jones has talked recently about a track record of outperforming his budget and you could see at the start of the season how he does. We outworked teams, pressed them to death, won every second ball, defended as a unit and were generally horrible to play against, especially at the Valley. After we'd run a team ragged for 70 minutes a new front line came on like they were shot out of a cannon and we had a knack of scoring late goals. Workrate, fitness and structure are three things that can be drilled into a low budget/technically deficient team to make them effective.
Somehow all of that has gone out of the window. Since Southampton (where it was admittedly a disaster) we are too scared to press teams. But we are also unbelievably slow on and off the ball. And have completely stopped winning the second ball. Today was the worst example of that and completely inexcusable, but it has been the case to some degree for a while.
I thought our problems came down mainly to the giant hole in the left side of the defence but clearly there are deeper issues.
On the left side, I'm not digging him out but based on that half Chambers is not the LWB we need. We need someone defensively very solid and he lived up to his billing today of being good on the ball and going forward, but not particularly strong in defence. Don't mind him as competition/backup but we need an outright left back in that role.
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Fuck yes I can 100% say our players were not as committed as theirs. They had two Millwall fans starting for them that evidently showed more desire than our players put together.
why are people making excuses for it, should be fucking highlighted
Anyone that’s played a decent standard of football knows when you come off if you’re fully commited to a performance. If any of our lot said they did they’re fucking lying:14 -
We kept it at 1-0 for so long, there was a point in that second half where total stupidity kicked in for me and I thought for once we might turn the tables and fluke the sort of result that they've had over us before, on the rare occasions we've been better than them. I really, really should have known better; as soon as I thought that, we completely melted, they were all over us and the scoreline started to reflect their dominance. Oh well, there's always next time. Nurse, nurse!valleynick66 said:If you put the Millwall element aside it’s a slightly different story.We were , against the odds, in with a shout until about 80 mins against a team who are clearly better than us.Decisions given another way and it would not have ended up the way it did.We lost and deserved to but it could have been less bad - if you get my drift.To be positive I think we can expect a different starting 11 next time out.3 -
We are on our way back to league one. Our unexpected promotion took us by surprise and our players just aren’t good enough.It looked liked they tried today but men against boys and ran out of steam ..5
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Think they know that without being told…Cafctekkers said:
If I was Jones I'd be tempted to put that up at the training ground in an attempt to get some sort of reaction out of themStig said:I have no words for how bad that was, so I used your words. Thank you.
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We're the only team in the Championship to have scored just one left-footed goal this season. Isn't that a weird stat.3
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Wow, just reading some of the other forums and fb, the majority want Jones out and a fresh approach to our formation. I wonder if there is an early break clause in his contract?0
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The question nobody can answer is why?Bubble said:Jones needs questioning 100% but don’t let that distract from how pathetic those players were, particularly second half.
The space every Millwall player in possession had, the lack of desire to even track players runs, 1st balls, 2nd balls, 3rd balls.We could have played any formation with any set of those 11 players and the outcome would have been the same.Shameful0 -
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Awful stuff in the post match interview from Jones.
A shame to see people lap it up again and again.
Must be demoralising for the players who are constantly sent out onto the pitch up against it to hear that.2 -
Valleysarr said:We are on our way back to league one. Our unexpected promotion took us by surprise and our players just aren’t good enough.It looked liked they tried today but men against boys and ran out of steam ..
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Because none of them want to play for Jones anymore?Sword65pf said:
The question nobody can answer is why?Bubble said:Jones needs questioning 100% but don’t let that distract from how pathetic those players were, particularly second half.
The space every Millwall player in possession had, the lack of desire to even track players runs, 1st balls, 2nd balls, 3rd balls.We could have played any formation with any set of those 11 players and the outcome would have been the same.Shameful0 -
Has he had support from the Board? To a degree he has but we spent 10m signing about eight players. As a result we had to sign players with dubious fitness records but ones he trusted and some of the best from league one who we hoped could make the step up. The result? Injury prone players get injured, side becomes unbalanced, a couple of the best from league one have to miss out as a result. Support from the board would have seen us doing less of both and getting a few more Championship experienced, fit players in. The owners didn’t obviously want to throw more money at it so this has where we are. To blame NJ entirely isn’t right or fair. Spending more doesn’t necessarily mean getting it right but it helps. It will be interesting to see how much they are prepared to back him in the next week.Greenie said:Let’s be honest - this is a relegation team and manager. IAs much as I think Jones has done wonders for the club getting us promoted, I think the board will be thinking about getting rid. He’s had his players, he’s had support from the board and the fans, but the board need to make a big decision otherwise we’re gone, and I would not be surprised to see him go.6 -
AFKABartram said:It’s like a form of bullying. And there’s nothing you can do about it.Change players, change manager, doesn’t seem to make any difference. As sure as shit, our team will put in a gutless display against them
AFKA, yes on many occasions but for 74 minutes we were much the better team at the Valley until the brain fade moment by Ramsay and then Nathan thought he would invite pressure by everyone being back despite suddenly no one knew who to mark !
Today we were just pathetic and decent players just a couple of months ago have lost form and appear confused on their jobs.
You don't need a coaching A licence to know Charlton's weakness and since the Bell/Edwards Left defensive partnership has been lost we are so vulnerable.
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Oxford and Norwich bought some decent talent this week as well, why are we just floating into oblivion. The club isn’t in a bad position but we’re just watching it fade away. Makes it even worse.20
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Embarrassing…going over to the vermin and not fighting there is no excuse..6
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Almost feels like we don’t care if we go down…. And we are already thinking about how we can be in a position to try and bounce back next year.ValleyGary said:Oxford and Norwich bought some decent talent this week as well, why are we just floating into oblivion. The club isn’t in a bad position but we’re just watching it fade away. Makes it even worse.
Which is shit and inexplicable - but there you go.5 -
We don’t care. I got that impression during the directors meeting. The mentality seems to be if we step up then great if he don’t then that’s fine at least we have a squad capable of competing in League 1.DamoNorthStand said:
Almost feels like we don’t care if we go down…. And we are already thinking about how we can be in a position to try and bounce back next year.ValleyGary said:Oxford and Norwich bought some decent talent this week as well, why are we just floating into oblivion. The club isn’t in a bad position but we’re just watching it fade away. Makes it even worse.
Which is shit and inexplicable - but there you go.1 -
@chaudhari211 wrote:
Couldn’t believe what I was seeing today. Poor in defence, attack , passing , instructions from manager, team selection, team play, holding the ball, getting in to positions to support each other.
Very individualistic play.
It is the second time Matty Godden has been brought on in the final 10mins. If he is as fully fit as shown in his video produced with his fitness trainer then why wasn’t he given more playing time?Clearly Dykes was fouled but had the referee played on the ball was put in the back of the net for 1-1 the game might have been different. Who knows.
Millwall were far better than us. It took me a great deal of courage to say it, but it is true. Could easily have been 2 more. Nathan Jones could have and should have done much better with his team selection, substitution and management. Disgraceful.
It was a shambles of a performance if you can call it such.
Maybe Nathan Jones has written out his own P45.
Lloyd Jones always gives his all every time. We need 9 other Lloyd Jones—-committed, dedicated, daring, fearless , passionate, never gives up, always gives 100%. Similar to Jason Pearce.3 -
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Regardless of how they were set up, none of them played like they were involved in a London derby. I thought they were all shit. I can’t understand TC and L Jones getting excused from criticism - no one turned up.5
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I’m not sticking up for him because he’s my brother but believe me the last thing he’ll be is happy. He’s done the hard yards over the years, put in the miles, more than a lot on here I’d wager, and whether you agree with his comments, or as most do, not, he’s earned the right to his say. First away Millwall game he’s missed since 1980, believe me he’s hurting like the rest of us.Garrymanilow said:On the plus side, this is the happiest I’ve ever seen golfie25 -
We didn’t only lose to day, we got beaten up.Millwall bullied us all over the pitch.It is all very well NJ jumping up and down but if the players don’t want to match up to their opposite numbers we might as well as not turn up.As for loosing the dressing room, the players are paid, and by everyday standards they are paid well. If they don’t want to play for the club because of the manager then speak up and let fans know how you feel.Some of the basic ball skills and control would have embarrassed a pub side.I have seen 11year olds play with more passion and pride.3
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I just can’t believe the owners would be happy or accept relegation, they have stumped up quite a lot since coming in. At the moment performance on the pitch is pissing the hard work up the wall. I’m struggling with the idea of going down and they are ok with it, with the loss of revenue and crowds, the goodwill will disappear. I really hope they are putting pressure on those running the club, the manager, the players, because today it seemed like people are comfortable in all of the positions in the club they are in.0
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Lawrie Wilson for us Golfie, there has been quite a few not for us mind you.golfaddick said:
Re Chambers. It is very hard as a LWB to do both parts very well. Most LWB's are primarily defenders or wingers.....not both. 45 mins is too soon to judge but I agree that he is probably more an attacker than a defender.PeaksAndValleys said:Jones has talked recently about a track record of outperforming his budget and you could see at the start of the season how he does. We outworked teams, pressed them to death, won every second ball, defended as a unit and were generally horrible to play against, especially at the Valley. After we'd run a team ragged for 70 minutes a new front line came on like they were shot out of a cannon and we had a knack of scoring late goals. Workrate, fitness and structure are three things that can be drilled into a low budget/technically deficient team to make them effective.
Somehow all of that has gone out of the window. Since Southampton (where it was admittedly a disaster) we are too scared to press teams. But we are also unbelievably slow on and off the ball. And have completely stopped winning the second ball. Today was the worst example of that and completely inexcusable, but it has been the case to some degree for a while.
I thought our problems came down mainly to the giant hole in the left side of the defence but clearly there are deeper issues.
On the left side, I'm not digging him out but based on that half Chambers is not the LWB we need. We need someone defensively very solid and he lived up to his billing today of being good on the ball and going forward, but not particularly strong in defence. Don't mind him as competition/backup but we need an outright left back in that role.0 -
Anyone saying we were in it for 80 mins / it could have gone differently if not for the reffing decisions is deluded.
Anyone saying that was our players giving their utmost either didn't watch them play at the start of the season, or is deluded.6 -
Sword65pf said:I just can’t believe the owners would be happy or accept relegation, they have stumped up quite a lot since coming in. At the moment performance on the pitch is pissing the hard work up the wall. I’m struggling with the idea of going down and they are ok with it, with the loss of revenue and crowds, the goodwill will disappear. I really hope they are putting pressure on those running the club, the manager, the players, because today it seemed like people are comfortable in all of the positions in the club they are in.
Intending to go down just to try and stomp League One is stupid and arrogant. It's just terrible business betting on something that may not even happen. Why do that if you can spend a similar amount to stay up this year. It just doesn't add up.2 -
Agreed on both points, and definitely that you can't draw a conclusion from one half, but it is concerning that what we saw today was in line with what we were told to expect and imo isn't what we need. Especially as some people on here are talking about needing a LCB and a CM, as though we've sorted LWB - I strongly suspect we haven't, and we need cover there either way.golfaddick said:
Re Chambers. It is very hard as a LWB to do both parts very well. Most LWB's are primarily defenders or wingers.....not both. 45 mins is too soon to judge but I agree that he is probably more an attacker than a defender.PeaksAndValleys said:Jones has talked recently about a track record of outperforming his budget and you could see at the start of the season how he does. We outworked teams, pressed them to death, won every second ball, defended as a unit and were generally horrible to play against, especially at the Valley. After we'd run a team ragged for 70 minutes a new front line came on like they were shot out of a cannon and we had a knack of scoring late goals. Workrate, fitness and structure are three things that can be drilled into a low budget/technically deficient team to make them effective.
Somehow all of that has gone out of the window. Since Southampton (where it was admittedly a disaster) we are too scared to press teams. But we are also unbelievably slow on and off the ball. And have completely stopped winning the second ball. Today was the worst example of that and completely inexcusable, but it has been the case to some degree for a while.
I thought our problems came down mainly to the giant hole in the left side of the defence but clearly there are deeper issues.
On the left side, I'm not digging him out but based on that half Chambers is not the LWB we need. We need someone defensively very solid and he lived up to his billing today of being good on the ball and going forward, but not particularly strong in defence. Don't mind him as competition/backup but we need an outright left back in that role.1 -
After that game one thing is clear … VAR needs to be brought into the championship … we now have had our games influenced to many times lately Coventry and Pompey and today .. ..16
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Agreed, can never say Golfie doesn't care, it's a forum, lots of people post their opinions and firmly believe in what they write and lots firmly believe they have it wrong. I think he is right about signings in the window, we need them 2nd January or 31st January, we need them.LargeAddick said:
I’m not sticking up for him because he’s my brother but believe me the last thing he’ll be is happy. He’s done the hard yards over the years, put in the miles, more than a lot on here I’d wager, and whether you agree with his comments, or as most do, not, he’s earned the right to his say. First away Millwall game he’s missed since 1980, believe me he’s hurting like the rest of us.Garrymanilow said:On the plus side, this is the happiest I’ve ever seen golfie2
