POST-MATCH THREAD: Millwall V Charlton Athletic: Saturday 24th January 2026: KO 12:30
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That would be very bizarre given how difficult it is to get out of League One. Planning for relegation is not something sensible businessmen doElfsborgAddick said:Greenie said:Let’s be honest - this is a relegation team and manager.As much as I think Jones has done wonders for the club getting us promoted, I think the board will be thinking about getting rid. He’s had his players, he’s had support from the board and the fans, but the board need to make a big decision otherwise we’re gone, and I would not be surprised to see him go.By giving Jones the 5 year contract I reckon the board have taken into account the possibility of a relegation but having faith in going back up.Whilst this board seem to be in for the long haul they have not pushed the boat out too much in the summer, basically using the television money.
Perhaps they are not that bothered. Took it on like Sandgaard did as a punt but had no intention of providing the money needed to stay in the Champ. That might explain why despite having a collapsed left side of defence for two months they then wait three weeks into the transfer window and then bring in a half crocked loan kid.6 -
Goals win games and we don't score any. Too many negative players playing passes sideways and backwards. Too many humped balls forward to do what exactly?
Other teams, including Millwall play positive football going forward, taking on and bullying defenders, getting in good crosses causing panic in the box.
Either it's our style of play or the players just aren't good enough.5 -
Nein dankeRonnieMoore said:After that game one thing is clear … VAR needs to be brought into the championship … we now have had our games influenced to many times lately Coventry and Pompey and today .. ..
we were deservedly trounced and VAR is a shambles like our team today6 -
You wouldn't be wrong mate, not a game where I would want to say 'I was slighter better than you though' .Gribbo said:Regardless of how they were set up, none of them played like they were involved in a London derby. I thought they were all shit. I can’t understand TC and L Jones getting excused from criticism - no one turned up.0 -
that 2nd half was a disgrace.5
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And making him play LWBkinveachyaddick said:
Playing Bell in an 8pm kick-off on the coldest night of the winter against Chelsea could prove to have been a costly misjudgementElthamaddick said:Still a Jones supporter but he’s trying my patience now with his stubbornness
Actually liked his post match interview and I think we might actually see a bit of a reaction / change - we have to.
I’m hopeful we can get a couple more bodies in this week.
I also still believe had we had Bell / Edwards for the last few months we’d be a good 10/12 points better off and not worried at all.
Those 2 injuries have killed the whole balance of the side.
There simply has to be a reaction to that display today though2 -
Sitting here at nearly 10pm and usually things start to mellow down after a poor performance (I mean I’ve had enough of them over 40 years).
Noor.
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It’s also the dynamic that the players have stopped playing for Jones that doesn’t sit with me. They may not be willing to play for him anymore, but there were 3000 fans that bleed for the club and what, they’re just left to ensure the fact the players weren’t up for it. Unacceptable6
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Go to bed !RonnieMoore said:After that game one thing is clear … VAR needs to be brought into the championship … we now have had our games influenced to many times lately Coventry and Pompey and today .. ..1 -
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Not really when you have no left footed players.Chunes said:We're the only team in the Championship to have scored just one left-footed goal this season. Isn't that a weird stat.3 -
Who are all these people who are lapping up what he’s said……I’ve seen little or no evidence of that ……..quite the opposite in fact.0
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They had Daniel Day Lewis and Gary Oldman in the crowd. Why the fuck didn’t we have Karl Howman and Bjorn Borg giving it back?17
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Which why do you want? We have a manager who now is in a tailspin because he doesn’t trust his team and is rotating in a desperate way to find some kind ot form and doesn’t hold a great record to rectifying slides based on his stints at Southampton and Stoke but can’t be questioned in terms of giving a shit.Sword65pf said:
The question nobody can answer is why?Bubble said:Jones needs questioning 100% but don’t let that distract from how pathetic those players were, particularly second half.
The space every Millwall player in possession had, the lack of desire to even track players runs, 1st balls, 2nd balls, 3rd balls.We could have played any formation with any set of those 11 players and the outcome would have been the same.Shameful
We have a bunch of players who regardless of the manager have put in arguably the most pathetic 2nd half performance I’ve seen in a long time and shouldn’t be hiding behind a manager
And a SLT team who after watching the the last 3 months of the season and 20 days in a window has left us again with Gillespie and TC defending down our left side playing at Championship level.
i’m all for miracles but if we think changing Jones, playing 4-4-2, getting Doc and Apter in the team is going to solve it then I don’t know.
Yes Jones 100% should take criticism but lets be fair acknowledge there are plenty players and board members are hiding tonight.
The best way we stay up won’t be changing Jones it will be decisions in the transfer window in the next 10 days12 -
Yeah, werent a very high bar was set, thats for sureBailey said:
You wouldn't be wrong mate, not a game where I would want to say 'I was slighter better than you though' .Gribbo said:Regardless of how they were set up, none of them played like they were involved in a London derby. I thought they were all shit. I can’t understand TC and L Jones getting excused from criticism - no one turned up.1 -
Not with all that moisturiser as AFKA pointed out he has a very strong facial care planElfsborgAddick said:DamoNorthStand said:Rodwell looked fuming at full time.
He's a miserable c*** at the best of times, if he ever smiled his face would crack.1 -
Despite losing the early, daft goal, our support was pretty good today.
Pity me, stuck in the Barry Kitchener stand with snarling Millwall fans all around me. I had to pretend to clap every time a goal went in. They really hated Noah Jones and gave the ref some verbal gyp.
Millwall are a well grounded team, and have been for some time. They could easily have been 3-0 up at half time but for some sloppy finishing.
Today we were all over the place. No strength in midfield, basically looked like a bunch of individuals. Last year on our long winning, or not losing run, we had a solid basis and have to find that again somehow, or it will be curtains.5 -
No thanks Ron.RonnieMoore said:After that game one thing is clear … VAR needs to be brought into the championship … we now have had our games influenced to many times lately Coventry and Pompey and today .. ..1 -
Rodwell basically said it during the week & NJ has alluded to it in his Press Conferences during the season.DamoNorthStand said:
Almost feels like we don’t care if we go down…. And we are already thinking about how we can be in a position to try and bounce back next year.ValleyGary said:Oxford and Norwich bought some decent talent this week as well, why are we just floating into oblivion. The club isn’t in a bad position but we’re just watching it fade away. Makes it even worse.
Which is shit and inexplicable - but there you go.
If you aim for 4th bottom don't be surprised if you end up 3rd bottom.
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It’s the hope that kills you. We are one good run away from staying up: four or five wins and a few draws will do it.
My belief has been waning over the last few weeks, and today has only made that worse. The capitulation in the second half was a disgrace.The board meeting in the week didn’t fill me with hope; they seem content to go back down as long as we are run sustainably. It’s clear that is not the view of the fans. We need some bodies in the door this week desperately.4 -
Thing is, it doesn't mean the same to the players anymore. Most players sign for 2 or 3 years & usually leave for another club (if they haven't been sold by then). Also, with our yo-yoing between The Championship and League 1 we have a lot of player churn every summer. There are no "one club men" now at all.Gribbo said:Regardless of how they were set up, none of them played like they were involved in a London derby. I thought they were all shit. I can’t understand TC and L Jones getting excused from criticism - no one turned up.3 -
Long time reader, first time poster. I’ve often wondered what would coax me into switching from observer to contributor…and alas, today’s showing makes it too compelling to not get actively involved here.
I will start with the obvious - that was as disgusting and disgraceful as it gets. Let us not in any way confuse the inevitability of defeat beforehand with that performance today being anything other than completely and utterly unacceptable. So bad, in fact, that it should hang over these players and coaches for a very long time as a marker of how you should never, ever represent this club in that manner. No quality, no bottle and a total pushover.
I was also struck today by what Millwall have slowly built in 9 seasons in the Championship. By comparison, we have spent the vast majority of the last 9 years in League 1 and look what a difference that has created. They have become a very good side. Let’s also remember that they started with arguably a much, much lower base. That comparison should serve as an incredibly stark reminder of how important staying up this season is - it needs to be achieved by any means necessary (and we are likely to need Leicester’s possible deduction to be in the mix as well).
Another very strong comparison to make is with the last season we were in the Championship in 19/20. A promising early start has been derailed by injuries and, as teams have slowly worked us out and we’ve run out of puff, the wide open spaces started to appear in most games. I thought the one major difference with that season was the ownership; it couldn’t have been any worse than the 19/20 season, but I am baffled by our lack of business so far this January. In 19/20 we waited and waited as we were promised reinforcements once Gallagher left…and they never came. This time we are waiting and waiting and there is largely just silence and the expectation measurement of a ‘sensible’ window. We are owned by a group of very wealthy people and, at a time of acute need for an upgrade in quality…we bring in a kid from Liverpool who has played 100 minutes of academy football this season and throw him in at The Den. NJ said that he would make sure that position would never cost us again…it cost us massively today (again). It is utter madness, and something very, very drastic needs to happen in these last days of the window otherwise we are in grave danger of an entirely avoidable relegation. A left sided centre half and arguably two central midfielders as a minimum. If we need to fund that by selling Mbick then we need to give it serious consideration - far from ideal, but staying up has never been more important.
To outperform the third lowest budget you need to play like we did at the start of the season, not like we have recently. Today we displayed precisely zero of the qualities required to stay in this division. I have an element of sympathy for the summer window - a £10-12m budget was always going to buy you what we got - not even the cream of L1 bar Kelman, and some old Luton boys with good ability but bad injury records - and if some of those players aren’t able to step up satisfactorily to the level then you can’t keep persevering when we are where we are. For me, Apter looked good technically but was lightweight in the home game against Millwall and is clearly a liability from a defensive perspective (QPR, Southampton) that we can’t afford to carry at the moment. In other words, we can’t run before we can walk.
I’m in the funny position of not wanting NJ sacked but also not being sure that he will keep us up. He’s a good manager, and we largely owe it to him that we are in this league which could be such a great experience for us as a club after being in the doldrums do so long. The lineups and formations have been discussed to death but, fundamentally, what can he really do if Kaminski plays the way he does today, or Ramsay plays the way he does today, or JRC and Carey both shirk a challenge with Azeez before he flashes a shot wide, or Reece Burke plays the way he does when he comes on today. For me, today is much more on the players than NJ. NJ isn’t blameless, just for the record btw.
Finally, I felt it at the time so hope to swerve accusations of revisionism…but it was mad to go full strength against Chelsea and, in particular, play Amari’i Bell at all let alone move him out to LWB against Estevao. Again, utter madness on the left hand side. His absence is absolutely enormous for us and it simply wasn’t worth it, especially as we lost 5-1 anyway. A couple of parting thoughts as well - the first red flags with Kaminski were raised in the home game v Millwall, when I feel strongly that he should have saved their goal, and I don’t think Ramsay has truly been the same since the sending off in that game.
A horrible one for us all to take today. Where we’re currently at, we have to hope that we keep two of Oxford, Blackburn and Pompey below us and hope that a few others get dragged in. These players and coaches have 18 games to start to atone for that disgrace today. COYR
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I suspect the club’s commercial performance is way behind what the ownership was led to believe would happen. If you disaggregate the official attendance for Tuesday night, for example, you get something like 1,000 home match sales based on their own information.Why is that relevant? Because sustainability rules apart it gives the management team an incentive to tell the shareholders they can cut corners on the football side to offset.It’s always a judgement call as to what you can get away with and stay up. Bowyer, with fewer resources (Gallagher apart) and less supportive ownership, was unlucky but the league has moved on again. I think we’re the wrong side of the line atm but there’s a choice this week and it’s not whether to sack Jones.30
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You could set a record and get a promote on your first post. 👏ns9 said:Long time reader, first time poster. I’ve often wondered what would coax me into switching from observer to contributor…and alas, today’s showing makes it too compelling to not get actively involved here.
I will start with the obvious - that was as disgusting and disgraceful as it gets. Let us not in any way confuse the inevitability of defeat beforehand with that performance today being anything other than completely and utterly unacceptable. So bad, in fact, that it should hang over these players and coaches for a very long time as a marker of how you should never, ever represent this club in that manner. No quality, no bottle and a total pushover.
I was also struck today by what Millwall have slowly built in 9 seasons in the Championship. By comparison, we have spent the vast majority of the last 9 years in League 1 and look what a difference that has created. They have become a very good side. Let’s also remember that they started with arguably a much, much lower base. That comparison should serve as an incredibly stark reminder of how important staying up this season is - it needs to be achieved by any means necessary (and we are likely to need Leicester’s possible deduction to be in the mix as well).
Another very strong comparison to make is with the last season we were in the Championship in 19/20. A promising early start has been derailed by injuries and, as teams have slowly worked us out and we’ve run out of puff, the wide open spaces started to appear in most games. I thought the one major difference with that season was the ownership; it couldn’t have been any worse than the 19/20 season, but I am baffled by our lack of business so far this January. In 19/20 we waited and waited as we were promised reinforcements once Gallagher left…and they never came. This time we are waiting and waiting and there is largely just silence and the expectation measurement of a ‘sensible’ window. We are owned by a group of very wealthy people and, at a time of acute need for an upgrade in quality…we bring in a kid from Liverpool who has played 100 minutes of academy football this season and throw him in at The Den. NJ said that he would make sure that position would never cost us again…it cost us massively today (again). It is utter madness, and something very, very drastic needs to happen in these last days of the window otherwise we are in grave danger of an entirely avoidable relegation. A left sided centre half and arguably two central midfielders as a minimum. If we need to fund that by selling Mbick then we need to give it serious consideration - far from ideal, but staying up has never been more important.
To outperform the third lowest budget you need to play like we did at the start of the season, not like we have recently. Today we displayed precisely zero of the qualities required to stay in this division. I have an element of sympathy for the summer window - a £10-12m budget was always going to buy you what we got - not even the cream of L1 bar Kelman, and some old Luton boys with good ability but bad injury records - and if some of those players aren’t able to step up satisfactorily to the level then you can’t keep persevering when we are where we are. For me, Apter looked good technically but was lightweight in the home game against Millwall and is clearly a liability from a defensive perspective (QPR, Southampton) that we can’t afford to carry at the moment. In other words, we can’t run before we can walk.
I’m in the funny position of not wanting NJ sacked but also not being sure that he will keep us up. He’s a good manager, and we largely owe it to him that we are in this league which could be such a great experience for us as a club after being in the doldrums do so long. The lineups and formations have been discussed to death but, fundamentally, what can he really do if Kaminski plays the way he does today, or Ramsay plays the way he does today, or JRC and Carey both shirk a challenge with Azeez before he flashes a shot wide, or Reece Burke plays the way he does when he comes on today. For me, today is much more on the players than NJ. NJ isn’t blameless, just for the record btw.
Finally, I felt it at the time so hope to swerve accusations of revisionism…but it was mad to go full strength against Chelsea and, in particular, play Amari’i Bell at all let alone move him out to LWB against Estevao. Again, utter madness on the left hand side. His absence is absolutely enormous for us and it simply wasn’t worth it, especially as we lost 5-1 anyway. A couple of parting thoughts as well - the first red flags with Kaminski were raised in the home game v Millwall, when I feel strongly that he should have saved their goal, and I don’t think Ramsay has truly been the same since the sending off in that game.
A horrible one for us all to take today. Where we’re currently at, we have to hope that we keep two of Oxford, Blackburn and Pompey below us and hope that a few others get dragged in. These players and coaches have 18 games to start to atone for that disgrace today. COYR
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Optimistic. Many including NJ would leave.aso914 said:
We don’t care. I got that impression during the directors meeting. The mentality seems to be if we step up then great if he don’t then that’s fine at least we have a squad capable of competing in League 1.DamoNorthStand said:
Almost feels like we don’t care if we go down…. And we are already thinking about how we can be in a position to try and bounce back next year.ValleyGary said:Oxford and Norwich bought some decent talent this week as well, why are we just floating into oblivion. The club isn’t in a bad position but we’re just watching it fade away. Makes it even worse.
Which is shit and inexplicable - but there you go.3 -
It's all been said. But still need to vent.
'Lost the dressing room' is indeed bandied about easily but the body language, nervousness and lack of ideas for many games now speaks volumes.
Utterly humiliating - our vocal support was surprisingly poor from the get-go, not that it would have made one iota of difference with that line-up/'tactics'. Unbelieveable substitutions - almost like he wants a pay-off. If it wasn't that then he is genuinely clueless.
Don't rate Docherty - with Gillesphey he shouldn't be anywhere near a championship team - but there's no doubt about it, he gives something in the cameraderie stakes. The throwing shit at the wall teamsheets does nothing for team spirit or consistency. God knows what Leaburn and especially Apter make of it all. The two recent signings are pretty pony. The lad from Liverpool did very well all things considered.
Cannot see anything other than relegation now with Jones at the helm. The players look utterly lost and pissed off with it. They should still be fucking ashamed of that performance today though no matter what the line-up.
Jones won't be sacked because of his contract. If by some miracle he sorts things out and we stay up we need to sack him off next season. But I fear the chopping and changing and total lack of ideas, attacking midfield play, the LWB situation and now team morale/confidence has done for us. Once we get in the bottom three the pressure will be too much to climb out again.
Positives: Won over a oner for betting on the inevitable, left after the second goal, bought a pint of lager from a machine, wandered up to South Bermondsey and got straight on a train.
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In the midst of the gloom of what is a dispiriting defeat - a silver lining. If the Spanners go up, as a London club with some A list supporters they will price all the Peaky cappers out and the Den will become another ground for day tourists.7
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Quality or quantity ?LargeAddick said:
Has he had support from the Board? To a degree he has but we spent 10m signing about eight players. As a result we had to sign players with dubious fitness records but ones he trusted and some of the best from league one who we hoped could make the step up. The result? Injury prone players get injured, side becomes unbalanced, a couple of the best from league one have to miss out as a result. Support from the board would have seen us doing less of both and getting a few more Championship experienced, fit players in. The owners didn’t obviously want to throw more money at it so this has where we are. To blame NJ entirely isn’t right or fair. Spending more doesn’t necessarily mean getting it right but it helps. It will be interesting to see how much they are prepared to back him in the next week.Greenie said:Let’s be honest - this is a relegation team and manager. IAs much as I think Jones has done wonders for the club getting us promoted, I think the board will be thinking about getting rid. He’s had his players, he’s had support from the board and the fans, but the board need to make a big decision otherwise we’re gone, and I would not be surprised to see him go.
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It has been suggested that Jones can’t be sacked due to his contract length. I have no idea what his contract states but the contract length is not the same as the contract’s notice period5
