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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Bristol City: Good Friday 3rd April 2026: KO 15:00
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It could be that there weren't enough business class seats back on the same plane. I don't know how many flights there are per day out of Guadalajara but can't imagine there's loads. They probably left on different flights to different stopovers.Stig said:
It could well be that you know more about this than me (in fact, that's all but certain), but is it necessarily a fault of the Jamaican FA? They are both grown adults and both familiar with air travel, perhaps it just suited their personal circumstances to travel separately. In fact, when I was working I'd always prefer to travel solo than go with colleagues - and usually, given how easy it was, I guess they must have felt the sameForeverAddickted said:Not one to usually pick holes on Nathan's press conference, but think he's got it wrong to complain (in part) about the scheduling of the World Cup Qualifiers... Think he's right to complain that the games were basically in the early hours of Wednesday, what with domestic games on the Friday, that could have been scheduled better by FIFA. But he's got to remember it wasn't just Jamaica and Congo involved, there were four other teams as part of a mini Play-Off tournament to reach the World Cup, and made sense to have it on neutral ground where the hosts are playing, because you've got countries involved from all confederations, baring Europe.Bizarre though how Bell got one flight, and Campbell got another. But from previous International Windows, that sounds a bit of another complaint as to how inept the Jamaican Football Federation have been of late, and seems to fall on the players to organise these things themselves.Credit to Bell if he landed back at 11am on Thursday, and went straight to Sparrows Lane, as again going by Jones' comments, it was Campbell (who getting back at 5pm) was the one who didnt get a chance to do any training.
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No two ways about it. It’s been a tough watch watching Charlton this season. After the early season games I thought we would find our feet & become a bit more expansive or front footed as NJ likes to say. The fact is though he’s set us up as a defence minded team. Players like Docherty have a role to play if you’re playing away but if you have to try force the pace & create at home forget it. Coventry seems to have caught the same mind set. Passing backwards is the easy option. I remember when Coventry first joined from West Ham he would turn & try & thread through forward passes. I can’t remember seeing him do that for some time. You can talk about getting better quality players but if the manager instills into you defence first, then it doesn’t matter who you play if the manager sets you up defensively. The other thing about playing this way , it’s bloody knackering ! It wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of the players are mentally tired as well as physically. Jones did a great job of getting us up &you can argue if we stay up then that’s a decent outcome. If we are looking for entertainment with attacking football though then I seriously doubt that Jones is your man. For that reason maybe we would need someone else to take us forward. Who that person is I don’t have a clue.16
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I think we’re only really competitive when our defence is 100% on their game. When not like yesterday we don’t seem to have the ammunition to get anything out of games. Looking at our remaining fixtures I’m becoming increasingly concerned. Watford (A) and Preston (H) don’t look particularly easy points to me. Sheffield Wednesday is a tailor made slip up certainty for Charlton and that would leave three very tough fixtures to end on. I don’t believe we’re safe at all.9
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People are going on about abuse of TC - which I didn't hear - but don't mention the very loud rendition of his song while he was warming up.0
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There was an article after the last international break that spoke about how disorganised the JFF was with this stuff and that Mclaren had had to fund some things that the JFF wouldn’tStig said:
It could well be that you know more about this than me (in fact, that's all but certain), but is it necessarily a fault of the Jamaican FA? They are both grown adults and both familiar with air travel, perhaps it just suited their personal circumstances to travel separately. In fact, when I was working I'd always prefer to travel solo than go with colleagues - and usually, given how easy it was, I guess they must have felt the sameForeverAddickted said:Not one to usually pick holes on Nathan's press conference, but think he's got it wrong to complain (in part) about the scheduling of the World Cup Qualifiers... Think he's right to complain that the games were basically in the early hours of Wednesday, what with domestic games on the Friday, that could have been scheduled better by FIFA. But he's got to remember it wasn't just Jamaica and Congo involved, there were four other teams as part of a mini Play-Off tournament to reach the World Cup, and made sense to have it on neutral ground where the hosts are playing, because you've got countries involved from all confederations, baring Europe.Bizarre though how Bell got one flight, and Campbell got another. But from previous International Windows, that sounds a bit of another complaint as to how inept the Jamaican Football Federation have been of late, and seems to fall on the players to organise these things themselves.Credit to Bell if he landed back at 11am on Thursday, and went straight to Sparrows Lane, as again going by Jones' comments, it was Campbell (who getting back at 5pm) was the one who didnt get a chance to do any training. Not that we ever went those distances.3 -
Clearly meant the style of play.Rothko said:
Is it? Who’s being left out? And they went for Galbraith in the summer to address that issueThe Red Robin said:The lack of creativity in midfield is a choice from Nathan Jones. It’s not working.
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But you can’t play that with the players we have, so make the best of itThe Red Robin said:
Clearly meant the style of play.Rothko said:
Is it? Who’s being left out? And they went for Galbraith in the summer to address that issueThe Red Robin said:The lack of creativity in midfield is a choice from Nathan Jones. It’s not working.3 -
First game in person for 2 months, really missed the experience of going, but the first 15 minutes sobered me.
As a neutral, you won't get many fans coming back to the Valley, the matchday experience/football isn't entertaining enough.
Hopefully we have done enough to stay up if we can scoop up 2 or 3 more points, but it can't be like this next season.
Right now if you told me that only Lloydy, Bell, Ramsay and Dykes would be part of our starting XI next season, and replacements everywhere else, I wouldn't be disgruntled in the slightest.
Real quality and investment needed in all areas. Nathan Jones has done an immense job to have us 8 points clear of relegation with 6 games to go with a squad that is somewhere between 80-90% league 1 quality.
Happy Easter anyway
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That’s exactly my point isn’t it. Jones wants to play that way, he has recruited the squad.Rothko said:
But you can’t play that with the players we have, so make the best of itThe Red Robin said:
Clearly meant the style of play.Rothko said:
Is it? Who’s being left out? And they went for Galbraith in the summer to address that issueThe Red Robin said:The lack of creativity in midfield is a choice from Nathan Jones. It’s not working.1 -
Man alive, he tried to recruit that type of player, he couldn’t get the one that was good enough, and couldn’t find a player in the budget that could do what Galbraith when that deal fell through, cheers Richie Wellens.The Red Robin said:
That’s exactly my point isn’t it. Jones wants to play that way, he has recruited the squad.Rothko said:
But you can’t play that with the players we have, so make the best of itThe Red Robin said:
Clearly meant the style of play.Rothko said:
Is it? Who’s being left out? And they went for Galbraith in the summer to address that issueThe Red Robin said:The lack of creativity in midfield is a choice from Nathan Jones. It’s not working.He then made the best of what he has, but do tell who he overlooked at the budget we have?5 -
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Clever thinking from Scott Twine for Bristol’s winner. He saw we had no-one laying down behind the wall and took full advantage with a daisy cutter which obviously caught out Mannion. It was mentioned on this site in the match preview that Twine was a danger from free-kicks around the edge of the penalty area and it was proved right. Surely one of Nathan’s staff should have been aware enough to make sure Twine was not gifted the opportunity. At the very least, it would have cut down Twine’s options.
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Great. To the ridiculous charge-list against TC we are now adding the accusation that a 21 year old from a modest background failed to optimise his air-ticket buying skills. Presumably all part of the narrative that he is "lazy".eastterrace6168 said:Stig said:
It could well be that you know more about this than me (in fact, that's all but certain), but is it necessarily a fault of the Jamaican FA? They are both grown adults and both familiar with air travel, perhaps it just suited their personal circumstances to travel separately. In fact, when I was working I'd always prefer to travel solo than go with colleagues - and usually, given how easy it was, I guess they must have felt the sameForeverAddickted said:Not one to usually pick holes on Nathan's press conference, but think he's got it wrong to complain (in part) about the scheduling of the World Cup Qualifiers... Think he's right to complain that the games were basically in the early hours of Wednesday, what with domestic games on the Friday, that could have been scheduled better by FIFA. But he's got to remember it wasn't just Jamaica and Congo involved, there were four other teams as part of a mini Play-Off tournament to reach the World Cup, and made sense to have it on neutral ground where the hosts are playing, because you've got countries involved from all confederations, baring Europe.Bizarre though how Bell got one flight, and Campbell got another. But from previous International Windows, that sounds a bit of another complaint as to how inept the Jamaican Football Federation have been of late, and seems to fall on the players to organise these things themselves.Credit to Bell if he landed back at 11am on Thursday, and went straight to Sparrows Lane, as again going by Jones' comments, it was Campbell (who getting back at 5pm) was the one who didnt get a chance to do any training. Not that we ever went those distances.
One could and the other couldn't give a fu*k...😉
Bell is an experienced and well-off 30 year old who probably leaves it to a travel concierge service organised by his agent. TC isn't in that wealth league by any stretch.
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Trouble is, we keep saying could have got a point or a win, but we are finding ways to lose, which is a bit of a worry.Uboat said:To read the thread without knowing the score you’d think we’d been tonked. The way they repeatedly strolled through the middle was certainly disconcerting, but that game could very easily have ended as a draw and it would be an ‘onwards and upwards’ mood on here.I just went on their forum and a lot of them felt they were lucky to win and were gifted the result by Mannion’s blunder.1 -
Did you not spot the emoji Prague...it was a joke, a light hearted bloody comment, there was no offence intended...🤦♂️PragueAddick said:
Great. To the ridiculous charge-list against TC we are now adding the accusation that a 21 year old from a modest background failed to optimise his air-ticket buying skills. Presumably all part of the narrative that he is "lazy".eastterrace6168 said:Stig said:
It could well be that you know more about this than me (in fact, that's all but certain), but is it necessarily a fault of the Jamaican FA? They are both grown adults and both familiar with air travel, perhaps it just suited their personal circumstances to travel separately. In fact, when I was working I'd always prefer to travel solo than go with colleagues - and usually, given how easy it was, I guess they must have felt the sameForeverAddickted said:Not one to usually pick holes on Nathan's press conference, but think he's got it wrong to complain (in part) about the scheduling of the World Cup Qualifiers... Think he's right to complain that the games were basically in the early hours of Wednesday, what with domestic games on the Friday, that could have been scheduled better by FIFA. But he's got to remember it wasn't just Jamaica and Congo involved, there were four other teams as part of a mini Play-Off tournament to reach the World Cup, and made sense to have it on neutral ground where the hosts are playing, because you've got countries involved from all confederations, baring Europe.Bizarre though how Bell got one flight, and Campbell got another. But from previous International Windows, that sounds a bit of another complaint as to how inept the Jamaican Football Federation have been of late, and seems to fall on the players to organise these things themselves.Credit to Bell if he landed back at 11am on Thursday, and went straight to Sparrows Lane, as again going by Jones' comments, it was Campbell (who getting back at 5pm) was the one who didnt get a chance to do any training. Not that we ever went those distances.
One could and the other couldn't give a fu*k...😉
Bell is an experienced and well-off 30 year old who probably leaves it to a travel concierge service organised by his agent. TC isn't in that wealth league by any stretch.
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Is it about wealth though? Does TC not have an agent then? Or failing that parents that could help him out with organisation if the players have to do it themselves? And don’t forget the club itself has a PLO, is that not what they are there for? If we have two players playing for the same country in the same match you’d expect them to arrive back to SL at the same time wouldn’t you? He’s 22 not 16.PragueAddick said:
Great. To the ridiculous charge-list against TC we are now adding the accusation that a 21 year old from a modest background failed to optimise his air-ticket buying skills. Presumably all part of the narrative that he is "lazy".eastterrace6168 said:Stig said:
It could well be that you know more about this than me (in fact, that's all but certain), but is it necessarily a fault of the Jamaican FA? They are both grown adults and both familiar with air travel, perhaps it just suited their personal circumstances to travel separately. In fact, when I was working I'd always prefer to travel solo than go with colleagues - and usually, given how easy it was, I guess they must have felt the sameForeverAddickted said:Not one to usually pick holes on Nathan's press conference, but think he's got it wrong to complain (in part) about the scheduling of the World Cup Qualifiers... Think he's right to complain that the games were basically in the early hours of Wednesday, what with domestic games on the Friday, that could have been scheduled better by FIFA. But he's got to remember it wasn't just Jamaica and Congo involved, there were four other teams as part of a mini Play-Off tournament to reach the World Cup, and made sense to have it on neutral ground where the hosts are playing, because you've got countries involved from all confederations, baring Europe.Bizarre though how Bell got one flight, and Campbell got another. But from previous International Windows, that sounds a bit of another complaint as to how inept the Jamaican Football Federation have been of late, and seems to fall on the players to organise these things themselves.Credit to Bell if he landed back at 11am on Thursday, and went straight to Sparrows Lane, as again going by Jones' comments, it was Campbell (who getting back at 5pm) was the one who didnt get a chance to do any training. Not that we ever went those distances.
One could and the other couldn't give a fu*k...😉
Bell is an experienced and well-off 30 year old who probably leaves it to a travel concierge service organised by his agent. TC isn't in that wealth league by any stretch.
FFS. FFFS!2 -
Fine margins.If Godden had put away that sitter we would all have gone home happy with a late equaliser and Godden back with a goal.2
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Godden’s first game back in a while, at the end of a grim season for him. He did half of what he’s good at - being in the right place - and got his shot on target. Top strikers only get so many goals because they also miss loads of chances too. I’m sure if he remains fit until the end of the season he’ll get a few goals. Might even be what helps get the points we need.5
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I just wish NJ would sometimes set the team up......... against opponents like Oxford away and Bristol on Friday, who are kind of there for the taking....... to actually be front-footed and properly take the game to them rather than leave it until we are a goal behind and then throw the kitchen sink at it....... we can't always be clean sheet until 60 minutes and then snatch a winner.
Sorry, frustrated and disappointed and needed to vent......
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Well of course you did comment that chanting “fucking useless” at him was just “expressing an opinion” so I am not surprised you are eagerly looking for another stick to beat him with.LargeAddick said:
Is it about wealth though? Does TC not have an agent then? Or failing that parents that could help him out with organisation if the players have to do it themselves? And don’t forget the club itself has a PLO, is that not what they are there for? If we have two players playing for the same country in the same match you’d expect them to arrive back to SL at the same time wouldn’t you? He’s 22 not 16.PragueAddick said:
Great. To the ridiculous charge-list against TC we are now adding the accusation that a 21 year old from a modest background failed to optimise his air-ticket buying skills. Presumably all part of the narrative that he is "lazy".eastterrace6168 said:Stig said:
It could well be that you know more about this than me (in fact, that's all but certain), but is it necessarily a fault of the Jamaican FA? They are both grown adults and both familiar with air travel, perhaps it just suited their personal circumstances to travel separately. In fact, when I was working I'd always prefer to travel solo than go with colleagues - and usually, given how easy it was, I guess they must have felt the sameForeverAddickted said:Not one to usually pick holes on Nathan's press conference, but think he's got it wrong to complain (in part) about the scheduling of the World Cup Qualifiers... Think he's right to complain that the games were basically in the early hours of Wednesday, what with domestic games on the Friday, that could have been scheduled better by FIFA. But he's got to remember it wasn't just Jamaica and Congo involved, there were four other teams as part of a mini Play-Off tournament to reach the World Cup, and made sense to have it on neutral ground where the hosts are playing, because you've got countries involved from all confederations, baring Europe.Bizarre though how Bell got one flight, and Campbell got another. But from previous International Windows, that sounds a bit of another complaint as to how inept the Jamaican Football Federation have been of late, and seems to fall on the players to organise these things themselves.Credit to Bell if he landed back at 11am on Thursday, and went straight to Sparrows Lane, as again going by Jones' comments, it was Campbell (who getting back at 5pm) was the one who didnt get a chance to do any training. Not that we ever went those distances.
One could and the other couldn't give a fu*k...😉
Bell is an experienced and well-off 30 year old who probably leaves it to a travel concierge service organised by his agent. TC isn't in that wealth league by any stretch.
FFS. FFFS!I don’t know why he came back on a later flight than Bell and nor do you. What I do know, as someone who has never been able to sleep in any meaningful way on a plane, is that such a long flight, involving a change of planes too, would negatively affect the ability of any professional to function effectively. As Bell proved, actually.2 -
all been said about our faults .. lets hope our tenacity and cussedness over the last few games is enough to keep us up
Full page match report in yesterday's 'Times' .. though really it was more about Roy H than the actual game2 -
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No it was 10pm UK time.Scratchingvalleycat said:
Absolutely agree and when you consider that Bell and Campbell played for Jamaica against Congo at 10 pm in Guadalajara on Tuesday night ( i make that 3 am in the UK), The match going to extra time, then had a 12 hour flight back to the UK it is not surprising both were tired and off the pace having arrive back in the UK either late night Wednesday or early Thursday. The wonder is why Jones played them both. Bell was clearly off the pace and Lloyd Jones was javing to cover for him as well as doing his own job. For the first time TC was outpaced by a defender (sitting in an aircraft for 12 hours does that to you) but still had his usual compliment of 2 defenders to closehim down. Those facts alone should tell you that he is a good player, oppositio managers always have 2 players marking him because they know iMoto said:Home supporters getting on the back of one of our own , pretty pathetic and embarrassing. Many other players out there who made poor mistakes and ones that should have scored, I didn't hear negative songs about them though?
He is dangerous. Our supporters who criticise hi. Should take a good look at themselves before asking why did N Jones play bothhim and Bell in these circmstances.0 -
Also in Saturday’s Guardian…Lincsaddick said:all been said about our faults .. lets hope our tenacity and cussedness over the last few games is enough to keep us up
Full page match report in yesterday's 'Times' .. though really it was more about Roy H than the actual game0 -
Ok so 5 hours difference it still means that having played an international match match and taken a 10 to 12 hour flight they both would not had sufficient recovery time after a match, then incurring jet lag, to play on the Friday. Watching the video of Bell arriving at the ground on Friday my wife commented, also before the match, that he looked knackered.aliwibble said:Scratchingvalleycat said:Moto said:Home supporters getting on the back of one of our own , pretty pathetic and embarrassing. Many other players out there who made poor mistakes and ones that should have scored, I didn't hear negative songs about them though?Absolutely agree and when you consider that Bell and Campbell played for Jamaica against Congo at 10 pm in Guadalajara on Tuesday night ( i make that 3 am in the UK), The match going to extra time, then had a 12 hour flight back to the UK it is not surprising both were tired and off the pace having arrive back in the UK either late night Wednesday or early Thursday. The wonder is why Jones played them both. Bell was clearly off the pace and Lloyd Jones was javing to cover for him as well as doing his own job. For the first time TC was outpaced by a defender (sitting in an aircraft for 12 hours does that to you) but still had his usual compliment of 2 defenders to closehim down. Those facts alone should tell you that he is a good player, oppositio managers always have 2 players marking him because they know iHe is dangerous. Our supporters who criticise hi. Should take a good look at themselves before asking why did N Jones play bothhim and Bell in these circmstances.No it was 10pm UK time.i used to travel the globe on business when younger and fitter, (day trips to Joburg - overnight out and back etc.) and was knackered when i landed at heathrow. In reality it takes more tha0n 36 hours for the body to recover, particularly when you think that the previous match had been in New Caledonia. The airmiles alone would be killing let alone adjusting to the time difference involved.0 -
Think Lloyd Jones got away lightly from blame for the first goal .. very poor defending completely read it wrong4
