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ELON MUSK - Worlds first Trillionaire

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  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,772
    edited 10:01AM
    cantersaddick said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Yet he chooses to be a c*nt and not do anything of any social value with it. I hope he fucks off to Mars and takes his helmet off. 
    He did revolutionise the electric car industry. Electric cars would not be as good as they are today without Tesla having set the standard. 
    Musk did absolutely nothing related to that except con the US government of the day into giving Tesla massive subsidies in order to make it economically viable. The US taxpayer made Tesla a success, not Musk. 
    I do think it takes a serious dosage of Musk Derangement Syndrome to pretend that Musk had nothing to do with the success of Tesla.
    Ignoring the idiotic culture war langauge. Thats not what he said though. Clearly Musk using his influence to extract massive subsidies from governments is obviously part of the success "story". But did he "revolutionise the EV industry" as was claimed. Well he didnt found Tesla, he didnt fund the development (that was a few investors and large government sibsidies) nor was he involved in any engineering decisions. Musk used his profile to gain attention and popularity for Tesla and ultimately that will have helped success of Tesla. But did he personally revolutionise the EV industry? Its at best questionable. 
    Right and Steve Jobs was just sat in the Apple cafeteria when an engineer walked in and presented him with the new iPhone.

    To claim that Elon Musk was not involved in any of the engineering decisions is just silly

  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 10,002
    Musk is a very dangerous man, he uses his own X platform to promote mis/dis information. He is constantly meddling in the affairs of other countries, especially the UK. 




  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 18,413
    It's odd that he's so successful and yet comes across as so pathetic. 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,166
    cafcnick1992 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Yet he chooses to be a c*nt and not do anything of any social value with it. I hope he fucks off to Mars and takes his helmet off. 
    He did revolutionise the electric car industry. Electric cars would not be as good as they are today without Tesla having set the standard. 
    Musk did absolutely nothing related to that except con the US government of the day into giving Tesla massive subsidies in order to make it economically viable. The US taxpayer made Tesla a success, not Musk. 
    I do think it takes a serious dosage of Musk Derangement Syndrome to pretend that Musk had nothing to do with the success of Tesla.
    Ignoring the idiotic culture war langauge. Thats not what he said though. Clearly Musk using his influence to extract massive subsidies from governments is obviously part of the success "story". But did he "revolutionise the EV industry" as was claimed. Well he didnt found Tesla, he didnt fund the development (that was a few investors and large government sibsidies) nor was he involved in any engineering decisions. Musk used his profile to gain attention and popularity for Tesla and ultimately that will have helped success of Tesla. But did he personally revolutionise the EV industry? Its at best questionable. 
    Right and Steve Jobs was just sat in the Apple cafeteria when an engineer walked in and presented him with the new iPhone.

    To claim that Elon Musk was not involved in any of the engineering decisions is just silly

     https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-engineer-quit-slam-elon-musk-leadership-linkedin-post-2025-9

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2025/11/10/teslas-engineering-exodus-comes-amid-shift-from-core-ev-mission/

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-engineer-accuses-elon-musk-004000611.html

    https://futurism.com/tesla-engineer-roasts-elon-musk

    https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-autopilot-engineers-radar-removal/

    https://medium.com/predict/musk-overruled-tesla-engineers-and-now-they-are-in-serious-trouble-2e37269e387a

    There are literally thousands of accounts like these that say engineers spent the whole time trying to find ways around musks "decisions" or "developments" or directly ignored his ideas when he meddled in engineering. He's certainly used his whole propaganda machine and influence in government and the media to give the impression of his engineering "genius". The reality is a long long way away from that. 

    Both tesla and spaceX are famously structured internally specifically to handle Musk and his ideas, they have a team dedicated to listening to him then basically doing the minimum viable thing to make him think his ideas have been implemented. When management has such an adversarial relationship with the CEO, it's hard to see what contributions Ellen could have made to the products directly. As I said above he has was for a while a valuable viral marketing tool - that that time has long since passed.
  • Diebythesword
    Diebythesword Posts: 822
    cafcnick1992 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Yet he chooses to be a c*nt and not do anything of any social value with it. I hope he fucks off to Mars and takes his helmet off. 
    He did revolutionise the electric car industry. Electric cars would not be as good as they are today without Tesla having set the standard. 
    Musk did absolutely nothing related to that except con the US government of the day into giving Tesla massive subsidies in order to make it economically viable. The US taxpayer made Tesla a success, not Musk. 
    I do think it takes a serious dosage of Musk Derangement Syndrome to pretend that Musk had nothing to do with the success of Tesla.
    Ignoring the idiotic culture war langauge. Thats not what he said though. Clearly Musk using his influence to extract massive subsidies from governments is obviously part of the success "story". But did he "revolutionise the EV industry" as was claimed. Well he didnt found Tesla, he didnt fund the development (that was a few investors and large government sibsidies) nor was he involved in any engineering decisions. Musk used his profile to gain attention and popularity for Tesla and ultimately that will have helped success of Tesla. But did he personally revolutionise the EV industry? Its at best questionable. 
    Right and Steve Jobs was just sat in the Apple cafeteria when an engineer walked in and presented him with the new iPhone.

    To claim that Elon Musk was not involved in any of the engineering decisions is just silly

    Using Steve jobs probably isn’t the best comparison, since he was famously and self admittedly some one who never invented anything new, wasn’t an engineer and spent most of his time screaming at his employees.
  • jose
    jose Posts: 1,382
    edited 10:45AM
    Scottish inventor Robert Anderson created the first crude electric powered vehicle in the 1830’s.
    In 1881 French engineer Gustav Trouvé demonstrated a working three wheeled electric vehicle at the International Exposition of Electricity in Paris.
    English inventor Thomas Parker built the first fully electric production car in Wolverhampton in 1884 which he drove daily to work.
    In 1888 German Engineer Andreas Flocken built the first four wheeled electric wagon.




  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,479
    I'm amazed, although I shouldn't be, that people hang on his every word.
    Nobody is going to Mars. (I know they do in Hollywood but the real world throws up real problems)
    His cars are ok but we've been making cars for over 100 years before he bought into a company. They have some nice features but also a lot of gadgetry. The line up is looking a bit tired.
    His views are at best nonsense at worse dangerous.
    His hair is absurd.
    And his dad is of questionable character.
    His obscene wealth does a lot to mask his failings.
    But he is very good at making the rich and himself richer, so I suppose people equate wealth with knowledge as genius, maybe in hope that somehow his good fortune will rub off on them.

      
  • RedPanda
    RedPanda Posts: 5,080
    This is all you need to know really.  He's scum:

  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 10,002
    charltonkeston said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZEH1NxbyCk
    Jonathan Pie is brilliant, this should be required viewing for everyone.
  • jose
    jose Posts: 1,382
    There are some people who say Musk is a saviour because he generates jobs for people.
    So did David Sullivan.

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  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 2,141
    sam3110 said:
    He could end world hunger, end malaria, solve the clean water problem and still be the richest man in the world
    Can he play LWB?
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,772
    edited 11:24AM
    cantersaddick said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Yet he chooses to be a c*nt and not do anything of any social value with it. I hope he fucks off to Mars and takes his helmet off. 
    He did revolutionise the electric car industry. Electric cars would not be as good as they are today without Tesla having set the standard. 
    Musk did absolutely nothing related to that except con the US government of the day into giving Tesla massive subsidies in order to make it economically viable. The US taxpayer made Tesla a success, not Musk. 
    I do think it takes a serious dosage of Musk Derangement Syndrome to pretend that Musk had nothing to do with the success of Tesla.
    Ignoring the idiotic culture war langauge. Thats not what he said though. Clearly Musk using his influence to extract massive subsidies from governments is obviously part of the success "story". But did he "revolutionise the EV industry" as was claimed. Well he didnt found Tesla, he didnt fund the development (that was a few investors and large government sibsidies) nor was he involved in any engineering decisions. Musk used his profile to gain attention and popularity for Tesla and ultimately that will have helped success of Tesla. But did he personally revolutionise the EV industry? Its at best questionable. 
    Right and Steve Jobs was just sat in the Apple cafeteria when an engineer walked in and presented him with the new iPhone.

    To claim that Elon Musk was not involved in any of the engineering decisions is just silly

     https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-engineer-quit-slam-elon-musk-leadership-linkedin-post-2025-9

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2025/11/10/teslas-engineering-exodus-comes-amid-shift-from-core-ev-mission/

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-engineer-accuses-elon-musk-004000611.html

    https://futurism.com/tesla-engineer-roasts-elon-musk

    https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-autopilot-engineers-radar-removal/

    https://medium.com/predict/musk-overruled-tesla-engineers-and-now-they-are-in-serious-trouble-2e37269e387a

    There are literally thousands of accounts like these that say engineers spent the whole time trying to find ways around musks "decisions" or "developments" or directly ignored his ideas when he meddled in engineering. He's certainly used his whole propaganda machine and influence in government and the media to give the impression of his engineering "genius". The reality is a long long way away from that. 

    Both tesla and spaceX are famously structured internally specifically to handle Musk and his ideas, they have a team dedicated to listening to him then basically doing the minimum viable thing to make him think his ideas have been implemented. When management has such an adversarial relationship with the CEO, it's hard to see what contributions Ellen could have made to the products directly. As I said above he has was for a while a valuable viral marketing tool - that that time has long since passed.
    So just to clarify; the world's first trillionaire has no positive attributes when it comes to business, and is an absolute dufus who causes mass disruption in all the companies he works for?
  • jose
    jose Posts: 1,382
    I reckon everybody probably (but not certainly) has some positive attributes.
    At a guess I would suppose that Musk flushes the bog after taking a dump.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,166
    cafcnick1992 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    cantersaddick said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Leroy Ambrose said:
    cafcnick1992 said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Yet he chooses to be a c*nt and not do anything of any social value with it. I hope he fucks off to Mars and takes his helmet off. 
    He did revolutionise the electric car industry. Electric cars would not be as good as they are today without Tesla having set the standard. 
    Musk did absolutely nothing related to that except con the US government of the day into giving Tesla massive subsidies in order to make it economically viable. The US taxpayer made Tesla a success, not Musk. 
    I do think it takes a serious dosage of Musk Derangement Syndrome to pretend that Musk had nothing to do with the success of Tesla.
    Ignoring the idiotic culture war langauge. Thats not what he said though. Clearly Musk using his influence to extract massive subsidies from governments is obviously part of the success "story". But did he "revolutionise the EV industry" as was claimed. Well he didnt found Tesla, he didnt fund the development (that was a few investors and large government sibsidies) nor was he involved in any engineering decisions. Musk used his profile to gain attention and popularity for Tesla and ultimately that will have helped success of Tesla. But did he personally revolutionise the EV industry? Its at best questionable. 
    Right and Steve Jobs was just sat in the Apple cafeteria when an engineer walked in and presented him with the new iPhone.

    To claim that Elon Musk was not involved in any of the engineering decisions is just silly

     https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-engineer-quit-slam-elon-musk-leadership-linkedin-post-2025-9

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2025/11/10/teslas-engineering-exodus-comes-amid-shift-from-core-ev-mission/

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-engineer-accuses-elon-musk-004000611.html

    https://futurism.com/tesla-engineer-roasts-elon-musk

    https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-autopilot-engineers-radar-removal/

    https://medium.com/predict/musk-overruled-tesla-engineers-and-now-they-are-in-serious-trouble-2e37269e387a

    There are literally thousands of accounts like these that say engineers spent the whole time trying to find ways around musks "decisions" or "developments" or directly ignored his ideas when he meddled in engineering. He's certainly used his whole propaganda machine and influence in government and the media to give the impression of his engineering "genius". The reality is a long long way away from that. 

    Both tesla and spaceX are famously structured internally specifically to handle Musk and his ideas, they have a team dedicated to listening to him then basically doing the minimum viable thing to make him think his ideas have been implemented. When management has such an adversarial relationship with the CEO, it's hard to see what contributions Ellen could have made to the products directly. As I said above he has was for a while a valuable viral marketing tool - that that time has long since passed.
    So just to clarify; the world's first trillionaire has no positive attributes when it comes to business, and is an absolute dufus who causes mass disruption in all the companies he works for?
    Again no one has said that but nice try with the slippery slope fallacy. He clearly has some strengths including leveraging influence, rasing finance from governments and investors for projects that would never get funding without him fronting them and for a while he was very effective at garnering public support. He also effectively uses his propaganda machine. I'm sure he has other skills too. But engineer, visonary or genius he is not. 

    The bootlicking obsession some people have with this fantasy version of the man was odd 10 years ago. Its just creepy as fuck now.

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