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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 102,171
    mogodon said:
    fenaddick said:
    We also need to shift players first otherwise we’re going to have a five a side team of unregistered players 
    Our bloated squad is a massive problem. We might have break clauses on loans like Ouma, but similarly Lincoln might be able to send Tanto back.

    And as to why we didn't sign key players in the summer, I wonder if NJ's style of football is part of the issue. Great if you're a defender, but if I was a classy midfielder with other options, would I want to join such a direct side?
    Apologies if I have missed something but has Ouma returned from his extended international break yet? I do hope not.
    Be interesting if he's called up by Kenya ahead of their November fixtures
  • CafcSteve
    CafcSteve Posts: 1,293
    mogodon said:
    fenaddick said:
    We also need to shift players first otherwise we’re going to have a five a side team of unregistered players 
    Our bloated squad is a massive problem. We might have break clauses on loans like Ouma, but similarly Lincoln might be able to send Tanto back.

    And as to why we didn't sign key players in the summer, I wonder if NJ's style of football is part of the issue. Great if you're a defender, but if I was a classy midfielder with other options, would I want to join such a direct side?
    Apologies if I have missed something but has Ouma returned from his extended international break yet? I do hope not.
    Doing his Coaching Badges as the owners see him as a cheap player/manager option.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 24,493
    mogodon said:
    fenaddick said:
    We also need to shift players first otherwise we’re going to have a five a side team of unregistered players 
    Our bloated squad is a massive problem. We might have break clauses on loans like Ouma, but similarly Lincoln might be able to send Tanto back.

    And as to why we didn't sign key players in the summer, I wonder if NJ's style of football is part of the issue. Great if you're a defender, but if I was a classy midfielder with other options, would I want to join such a direct side?
    Apologies if I have missed something but has Ouma returned from his extended international break yet? I do hope not.
    Be interesting if he's called up by Kenya ahead of their November fixtures
    Sounds like they wouldn’t need to pay for a plane ticket to be fair 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,966
    mogodon said:
    fenaddick said:
    We also need to shift players first otherwise we’re going to have a five a side team of unregistered players 
    Our bloated squad is a massive problem. We might have break clauses on loans like Ouma, but similarly Lincoln might be able to send Tanto back.

    And as to why we didn't sign key players in the summer, I wonder if NJ's style of football is part of the issue. Great if you're a defender, but if I was a classy midfielder with other options, would I want to join such a direct side?
    Apologies if I have missed something but has Ouma returned from his extended international break yet? I do hope not.


    I heard from someone ITK that Ouma had been kidnapped by a Kenyan criminal syndicate. They have been in touch with CAFC with their ransom demand & we have negotiated & they have lowered the ransom on the condition that if we're late with the monthly payment they will send him back.   
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,721
    Do we know if any work has been done with regards to getting Cat 1 status or was that just something they said to get people on side? 
  • Addicksi
    Addicksi Posts: 448
    Presumably filed under sod that it's going to cost money. 
  • What an absolute joke.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 3,076
    fenaddick said:
    We also need to shift players first otherwise we’re going to have a five a side team of unregistered players 
    Our bloated squad is a massive problem. We might have break clauses on loans like Ouma, but similarly Lincoln might be able to send Tanto back.

    And as to why we didn't sign key players in the summer, I wonder if NJ's style of football is part of the issue. Great if you're a defender, but if I was a classy midfielder with other options, would I want to join such a direct side?
    Are players not be good enough for the championship but willing to bet their will be L1 clubs who would snap at some of our players. 

    We have 7 registered midfielders even if we can just offload half of those that can make space for a midfield rebuild 
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 4,322
    Nathan confirms in the post match that we are again in the bottom 3 for budget. This is no shock to us after the summer window, but does prove that all the ‘moving up the quartiles each season’ was crap.
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 3,238
    I feel in time it will come out that the owners have bullshitted us a bit, if NJ sticks around and keeps us up, they are the luckiest fuckers to run a football club. They need to back him in jan, but that’s not going to be easy.

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  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 19,580
    Is it the owners as a whole, or that’s Friedman isn’t prepared to front up, and it’s all knocked on from that? 
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 4,322
    Rothko said:
    Is it the owners as a whole, or that’s Friedman isn’t prepared to front up, and it’s all knocked on from that? 
    Apparently Friedman. But what I’m wondering is if the others can’t put transfer funds in? Or does it not work like that. Because were I the others, I’d not want my investment dying because of Friedman 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 13,933
    Rothko said:
    Is it the owners as a whole, or that’s Friedman isn’t prepared to front up, and it’s all knocked on from that? 
    Apparently Friedman. But what I’m wondering is if the others can’t put transfer funds in? Or does it not work like that. Because were I the others, I’d not want my investment dying because of Friedman 
    The others dont have the wealth to fund a proper functioning championship club. Friedman is the money man that makes it tick.
  • Rothko said:
    Is it the owners as a whole, or that’s Friedman isn’t prepared to front up, and it’s all knocked on from that? 
    Apparently Friedman. But what I’m wondering is if the others can’t put transfer funds in? Or does it not work like that. Because were I the others, I’d not want my investment dying because of Friedman 
    I think the situation can only end in a total sale of the club. Friedman is the biggest investor and I can’t see any other money man coming in to replace him under the current terms. I’d assume anyone coming in will want complete control. Why wouldn’t they. Problem as I see it is that the current ownership arrangement is very complex and it won’t be easy for anyone to come in and unpick it. We definitely have to retain our Championship status. I really can’t see any prospect of anything happening any time soon. It is a worry.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,850
    Sword65pf said:
    I feel in time it will come out that the owners have bullshitted us a bit, if NJ sticks around and keeps us up, they are the luckiest fuckers to run a football club. They need to back him in jan, but that’s not going to be easy.
    So ‘#undisclosed’ is more about saving our blushes than because it’s a competitive advantage with other clubs 😉😀
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 4,322
    Rothko said:
    Is it the owners as a whole, or that’s Friedman isn’t prepared to front up, and it’s all knocked on from that? 
    Apparently Friedman. But what I’m wondering is if the others can’t put transfer funds in? Or does it not work like that. Because were I the others, I’d not want my investment dying because of Friedman 
    The others dont have the wealth to fund a proper functioning championship club. Friedman is the money man that makes it tick.
    Understood. I guess then he needs to ask if it’s worth an extra few million on January to prevent us going down and losing him more? But agreed, we need a buyer now to stabilise in this league. 
  • My concern is that we’re actually not that attractive a proposition. Yes we’re a London club and I’m not certain that’s that important any more. We own virtually nothing barring a mediocre Championship squad with no stand out asset. We don’t own our Stadium or Training Ground and certainly at present our Championship status is a long way from being secure. The only real chip we have is that we are at present one good season away from a potential jackpot. Our ownership structure is complicated which I think makes things more difficult for anyone wanting to buy us. Pretty much every Championship club is available at the right price, perhaps excepting a few. Who is going to be breaking our door down.
  • mcgrandall
    mcgrandall Posts: 974
    edited November 7
    My concern is that we’re actually not that attractive a proposition. Yes we’re a London club and I’m not certain that’s that important any more. We own virtually nothing barring a mediocre Championship squad with no stand out asset. We don’t own our Stadium or Training Ground and certainly at present our Championship status is a long way from being secure. The only real chip we have is that we are at present one good season away from a potential jackpot. Our ownership structure is complicated which I think makes things more difficult for anyone wanting to buy us. Pretty much every Championship club is available at the right price, perhaps excepting a few. Who is going to be breaking our door down.

    Plus whomever comes in would have to achieve success on a much smaller budget than 80% of the league. The current rules work against us if the owners do want out.

    If the rumoured £80m valuation is true, you are looking at someone exceptionally rich, who won't be able to spend their money, or someone delusional again, who thinks we just need to be run better. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 29,171
    Sword65pf said:
    I feel in time it will come out that the owners have bullshitted us a bit, if NJ sticks around and keeps us up, they are the luckiest fuckers to run a football club. They need to back him in jan, but that’s not going to be easy.
    Nathan Jones isn’t blameless in recruitment all of a sudden just because he won a football match for the first time in twelve attempts. 
  • Sword65pf said:
    I feel in time it will come out that the owners have bullshitted us a bit, if NJ sticks around and keeps us up, they are the luckiest fuckers to run a football club. They need to back him in jan, but that’s not going to be easy.
    Nathan Jones isn’t blameless in recruitment all of a sudden just because he won a football match for the first time in twelve attempts. 
    He’s not to blame that the players he wanted to bring in like Galbraith and Holsgrove didn’t materialise. That’s down to the owners not funding the window sufficiently. There have been questionable signings but I can’t help feeling that those players were brought in because that’s all we could afford. I’m not hopeful for January other than the hope we get lucky again with the loans we make. It saved us last season and I sadly suspect we’ll need to get lucky again

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  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 3,238
    Sword65pf said:
    I feel in time it will come out that the owners have bullshitted us a bit, if NJ sticks around and keeps us up, they are the luckiest fuckers to run a football club. They need to back him in jan, but that’s not going to be easy.
    So ‘#undisclosed’ is more about saving our blushes than because it’s a competitive advantage with other clubs 😉😀
    Gone over my head that one.
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 3,238
    Sword65pf said:
    I feel in time it will come out that the owners have bullshitted us a bit, if NJ sticks around and keeps us up, they are the luckiest fuckers to run a football club. They need to back him in jan, but that’s not going to be easy.
    Nathan Jones isn’t blameless in recruitment all of a sudden just because he won a football match for the first time in twelve attempts. 
    Didn’t say he was, but he is more of the reason we got to the championship and stayed there. Every manager needs sufficient backing, I don’t believe NJ got that.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 73,584
    edited November 7
    Sword65pf said:
    I feel in time it will come out that the owners have bullshitted us a bit, if NJ sticks around and keeps us up, they are the luckiest fuckers to run a football club. They need to back him in jan, but that’s not going to be easy.
    Nathan Jones isn’t blameless in recruitment all of a sudden just because he won a football match for the first time in twelve attempts. 
    He’s not to blame that the players he wanted to bring in like Galbraith and Holsgrove didn’t materialise. That’s down to the owners not funding the window sufficiently. There have been questionable signings but I can’t help feeling that those players were brought in because that’s all we could afford. I’m not hopeful for January other than the hope we get lucky again with the loans we make. It saved us last season and I sadly suspect we’ll need to get lucky again
    That's way too simplistic. Players have to want to come to you, and that's not just down to money, it's also down to the style of football you play. Galbraith had the option of an established Championship club, who play the sort of passing football he thrives in, and which we don't play. Holsgrove never showed any interest in us.

    If I was a "classy, foot on the ball" midfielder, I'd want to join a passing team, not a direct one, even if they are successful.
  • BlackfenLen
    BlackfenLen Posts: 185
    Was told earlier the people behind AFC Wimbledon's bid had agreed £70m with our American owners, paperwork was going through when the Americans pulled the plug saying they wanted to go to open competition looking for £80m. £70m bid promptly withdrawn and now our owners struggling to get £30m for us.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 11,326
    My concern is that we’re actually not that attractive a proposition. Yes we’re a London club and I’m not certain that’s that important any more. We own virtually nothing barring a mediocre Championship squad with no stand out asset. We don’t own our Stadium or Training Ground and certainly at present our Championship status is a long way from being secure. The only real chip we have is that we are at present one good season away from a potential jackpot. Our ownership structure is complicated which I think makes things more difficult for anyone wanting to buy us. Pretty much every Championship club is available at the right price, perhaps excepting a few. Who is going to be breaking our door down.

    Plus whomever comes in would have to achieve success on a much smaller budget than 80% of the league. The current rules work against us if the owners do want out.

    If the rumoured £80m valuation is true, you are looking at someone exceptionally rich, who won't be able to spend their money, or someone delusional again, who thinks we just need to be run better. 
    The valuation is what worries me about how long this could go on for. £80m for what? The chance to buy a lottery ticket to the prem? Feels like a staggeringly optimistic valuation when you've also got to deal with Roland too. 

    Can see them having to get a bit more realistic on the valuation to attract much interest. 
  • BlackfenLen
    BlackfenLen Posts: 185
    No idea if there's any truth in this though....
  • Sword65pf said:
    I feel in time it will come out that the owners have bullshitted us a bit, if NJ sticks around and keeps us up, they are the luckiest fuckers to run a football club. They need to back him in jan, but that’s not going to be easy.
    Nathan Jones isn’t blameless in recruitment all of a sudden just because he won a football match for the first time in twelve attempts. 
    He’s not to blame that the players he wanted to bring in like Galbraith and Holsgrove didn’t materialise. That’s down to the owners not funding the window sufficiently. There have been questionable signings but I can’t help feeling that those players were brought in because that’s all we could afford. I’m not hopeful for January other than the hope we get lucky again with the loans we make. It saved us last season and I sadly suspect we’ll need to get lucky again
    That's way too simplistic. Players have to want to come to you, and that's not just down to money, it's also down to the style of football you play. Galbraith had the option of an established Championship club, who play the sort of passing football he thrives in, and which we don't play. Holsgrove never showed any interest in us.

    If I was a "classy, foot on the ball" midfielder, I'd want to join a passing team, not a direct one, even if they are successful.
    Didn’t Wellens also basically tell him not to join us because the style of football was shite 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 24,493
    Sword65pf said:
    I feel in time it will come out that the owners have bullshitted us a bit, if NJ sticks around and keeps us up, they are the luckiest fuckers to run a football club. They need to back him in jan, but that’s not going to be easy.
    Nathan Jones isn’t blameless in recruitment all of a sudden just because he won a football match for the first time in twelve attempts. 
    He’s not to blame that the players he wanted to bring in like Galbraith and Holsgrove didn’t materialise. That’s down to the owners not funding the window sufficiently. There have been questionable signings but I can’t help feeling that those players were brought in because that’s all we could afford. I’m not hopeful for January other than the hope we get lucky again with the loans we make. It saved us last season and I sadly suspect we’ll need to get lucky again
    That's way too simplistic. Players have to want to come to you, and that's not just down to money, it's also down to the style of football you play. Galbraith had the option of an established Championship club, who play the sort of passing football he thrives in, and which we don't play. Holsgrove never showed any interest in us.

    If I was a "classy, foot on the ball" midfielder, I'd want to join a passing team, not a direct one, even if they are successful.
    Didn’t Wellens also basically tell him not to join us because the style of football was shite 
    Nothing to do with Wellens being a sore loser of course 
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 17,860
    edited November 8
    Was told earlier the people behind AFC Wimbledon's bid had agreed £70m with our American owners, paperwork was going through when the Americans pulled the plug saying they wanted to go to open competition looking for £80m. £70m bid promptly withdrawn and now our owners struggling to get £30m for us.
    Seeing as it looks like Wimbledon are being bought by an AI / Thunderbird character we maybe had a narrow escape.

    Our owners and a few others seemed conspicuously absent from a pretty empty looking directors’ box today.
  • Ferryman
    Ferryman Posts: 3,037
    CafcSteve said:
    mogodon said:
    fenaddick said:
    We also need to shift players first otherwise we’re going to have a five a side team of unregistered players 
    Our bloated squad is a massive problem. We might have break clauses on loans like Ouma, but similarly Lincoln might be able to send Tanto back.

    And as to why we didn't sign key players in the summer, I wonder if NJ's style of football is part of the issue. Great if you're a defender, but if I was a classy midfielder with other options, would I want to join such a direct side?
    Apologies if I have missed something but has Ouma returned from his extended international break yet? I do hope not.
    Doing his Coaching Badges as the owners see him as a cheap player/manager option.
    I watched the Vinne Jones documentary this week. When Bassett brought him in from Wealdstone on an 18 month contract, he said if it doesn't work out he can do the maintenance on the ground. There's an idea if Ouma returns!