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Obesity "not the fault of individuals"

ScoSco
edited October 2007 in Not Sports Related
This is apparently the fault of the government. I could drift into a rant of despair over how the powers that be already try to micro-manage my life (badly) but instead shall have a laugh at the absurdity of our current desire to deny all responsibility and then blame someone else.

Who's fault is Saturday's hangover? I need answers!
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  • it makes me laugh.

    one day the country is about to sink into the North Sea because of fat people and the next day too many people are becoming "size zeros" and disappearing into thin air.
  • Spot on Sco.

    I'm a fat bastard because I drink too much ale, eat too much shite (normally when pissed!) and don't get enough exercise.

    That's my fault, nobody elses.
  • i think a lot of it comes down to the unecessary crap that's put in food these days from the trans-fats (which they are now looking into) to the msg or monosodiumglutonate that no chinese meal is cooked without these days (why that stuff isnt banned i dont know)...kids get hit with this stuff from all angles and after that its all down hill for them as adults...
  • We need a scapegoat for what's going wrong within our society and its about time the Fatties took their turn for the blame. And this is probably one of the reasons why the Government is having to put in a claim for more land space in Antartica so that fatties can spread out ;o)
  • Parents who feed their kids processed rubbish deserve the fat/spotty/hyperactive kids they turn out to be. Teach your kids to eat well and cook with fresh ingredients, not rocket science really.
  • edited October 2007
    Vicki Swinden,20 Stone women on radio five was claiming it was everyone's fault! Parents then rang in started blamining lack of PE in schools etc, etc. http://www.fatisthenewblack.com/

    Yes there are too many trans-fats in some foods so cut down on those foods and don't give them to your kids. Take you kids swimming or to the park, football, ballet or buy them a push bike.

    We all know that non-manual work, cars and labour saving machines mean we burn less calories so make up for that by walking more, taking more exercise or drinking/eating less or at least more sensibly. As you get older you body burns off fat less quickly - or mine does at least - so is it my fault or Margaret Thatcher's for selling off school playing grounds. Maybe a bit of both!
  • edited October 2007
    [cite]Posted By: SantaClaus[/cite]Parents who feed their kids processed rubbish deserve the fat/spotty/hyperactive kids they turn out to be. Teach your kids to eat well and cook with fresh ingredients, not rocket science really.

    easier said than done these days...mrs ltgtr is a wizz in the kitchen and although most things are simply made (its a poor excuse to say you dont have the time, what people really mean is they dont know how) she does find time so much of what we eat is made from fresh but walk outside the door and most of what we eat probably isn't - what's really in your lunchtime meal or snack ?

    spots aren't always down to what you eat and are for the most part easily dealt with - a little bit of your own saliva (your body's own antiseptic) put on the offending spot will generally clear away most acne within a few hours...

    i would guess hyperactive kids are not generally fat and its been recently shown that its not the food and drinks but the stimlation that gets kids hyper...
  • to paraphrase dickens:

    Daily calories eaten 2000, daily calories burnt 2000, result happiness. Daily calories eaten 2000, daily calories burnt 1900, result obesity.

    it really is that simple.
  • I guess I am lucky in one sense that I enjoy walking - cover about 4 - 5 miles on an average day and saves me an uncomfortable tube journey to boot. When I moved out of home and was "responsible" for my own food purchasing I piled on about 2.5 stone, although I did have knee-knack from footy which took away my main source of exercise. A change of diet and plenty of walking saw the weight fall away and the knee improve considerably. I'd like to thank the government for making it all possible.
  • not always as easy as it sounds, some of the bigger people i know eat and drink nowhere near as much as you would expect. Of course the vast bulk (get it ?) of it is down to lifestyle choices, but there is also some genetics at play as well.
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  • I heard her too, Henry. I only heard the first couple of callers but I felt a little barely sorry for her, she must have felt like she'd gone 15 rounds with Tyson at the end (probably not a bad thing, sounds like she could do with the exercise).

    While her insistance that the ways of society has a lot to do with it are vaild in part, her attitude of denial was ridiculous, almost deluded. It reminded me of a couple of months back when R5 had a so-called reformed paedo on when they had a phone in on child porn.

    Blame everyone else as much as u like but like it or not, it's down to the individual, no-one else.

    IMO the only genuine mitigating circumstance is upbringing and the sooner society stops trying to treat kids as young adults before they're ready for it and make the adults realise they're responsible for their upbringing the better.
  • What crap
  • ScoSco
    edited October 2007
    [cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]not always as easy as it sounds, some of the bigger people i know eat and drink nowhere near as much as you would expect. Of course the vast bulk (get it ?) of it is down to lifestyle choices, but there is also some genetics at play as well.

    True. We come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, but this is about responsibility rather than genetics. We average more in weight as a nation these days and I am not sure that evolution works that quickly that our genes are turning more of us larger.
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]not always as easy as it sounds, some of the bigger people i know eat and drink nowhere near as much as you would expect. Of course the vast bulk (get it ?) of it is down to lifestyle choices, but there is also some genetics at play as well.

    True some people will be genetically more likely to put weight on but in nearly all cases all people will lose weight when they are deprived of food over a long period.

    I was once very thin and now I'm over weight. Not genetics but age and lifestyle.
  • personal responsibility- end of.

    Trouble is that when things go wrong, people don't look in the appropriate place which in normally the mirror.

    Genetics can be a factor, but the factor of having no legs wasn't used by Douglas Bader as an excuse to sit on his backside
  • Fat adults - Their fault.
    Fat Kids - Thier parents fault.
    It is as simple as that.
    My kids aren't fat. I wasn't fat as a kid.
    I am fat now but not as fat as I was 3 weeks ago. For the first time I am actually doing something SERIOUS about my wieght. It got out of control. All my fault. I hope to be 3 stone lighter by the end of NOV and I want to stay that way.
    Look at fat kids and then look at their parents. 9/10 cases they are fat too.
    I accept that there are certain exceptions but generally being fat is totally in your hands.
  • 3 stone ? good luck to you. I've lost a stone in the past 4 months, and want to lose one more.
  • [cite]Posted By: C_f_W[/cite]I heard her too, Henry. I only heard the first couple of callers but I felt[strike]a little[/strike]barely sorry for her, she must have felt like she'd gone 15 rounds with Tyson at the end (probably not a bad thing, sounds like she could do with the exercise).

    While her insistance that the ways of society has a lot to do with it are vaild in part, her attitude of denial was ridiculous, almost deluded.

    IMO the only genuine mitigating circumstance is upbringing and the sooner society stops trying to treat kids as young adults before they're ready for it and make the adults realise they're responsible for their upbringing the better.

    She didn't do herself any favours and the impact of the good points she did make were lost. She said that the pressure to be ultra WSS slim was unrealistic and caused people to diet lose a few LBS and then give which is partially true but that's cos crash diets don't work in the long term. A sensible reduction slowly with exercise can and will work. I know a triathlon runner and I asked him if he had a special diet. he said no, all the exercise means I can drink and eat loads and loads but stay very slim and fit.

    As with most things parents set your habits and standards, not schools or governments or professional footballers. The next biggest influence is your peers.
  • [cite]Posted By: Sco[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]not always as easy as it sounds, some of the bigger people i know eat and drink nowhere near as much as you would expect. Of course the vast bulk (get it ?) of it is down to lifestyle choices, but there is also some genetics at play as well.

    True. We come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, but this is about responsibility rather than genetics. We average more in weight as a nation these days and I am not sure that evolution works that quickly that our genes are turning more of us larger.

    I would blame Andrew Mills but he was as skinny as a rake. It fact I think he was/is WSS
  • edited October 2007
    She didn't do herself any favours and the impact of the good points she did make were lost. She said that the pressure to be ultra WSS slim was unrealistic and caused people to diet lose a few LBS and then give which is partially true but that's cos crash diets don't work in the long term.
    Quite. What didn't help her cause this morning was that the discussion was about obesity being a health issue whereas for her the issue of size is about lifestyle choice.

    While she no doubt does a great job in breaking down the social stigma attached with being obese, the health facts are indisputable - being overweight is bad for your health. She should've stayed well away
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  • edited October 2007
    [cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite]3 stone ? good luck to you. I've lost a stone in the past 4 months, and want to lose one more.
    most of us would like to get rid of a stone .... can't you just ban him?
  • [cite]Posted By: Sco[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: AFKA Bartram[/cite].

    We average more in weight as a nation these days and I am not sure that evolution works that quickly that our genes are turning more of us larger.

    in the 60's we had big meals, generally meat, cooked in fat, all sorts of foodstuffs with fat that would be deemd criminal these days, kids ate sweets by the bucket load and i dont recall it being the problem we have today...booze is a big actor for thos eof us that have put on the years but as i said before, it aint the quantity of food in most cases, its the crap that's put in it to make it taste better or last longer on the shelf...it gets to the kids and then they've got no chance by the time they become adults...those of us brought up in the 50's and 60's and 70's have no doubt all put on a few extra pounds but for the most part we know its the booze, not the food or lack of exercise...those that were brought up in the 80's and 90's wont have obtained the booze spread yet but they're probably showing the effects of the food they've eaten...and i bet they never sampled the delights of dripping on toast etc...
  • [cite]Posted By: DJ Davey Dave[/cite]Fat adults - Their fault.
    Fat Kids - Thier parents fault.
    It is as simple as that.
    My kids aren't fat. I wasn't fat as a kid.
    I am fat now but not as fat as I was 3 weeks ago. For the first time I am actually doing something SERIOUS about my wieght. It got out of control. All my fault. I hope to be 3 stone lighter by the end of NOV and I want to stay that way.
    Look at fat kids and then look at their parents. 9/10 cases they are fat too.
    I accept that there are certain exceptions but generally being fat is totally in your hands.

    Totally agree, DJDD. When I was a kid, I ate three square meals a day including a fried breakfast every morning and I wasn't fat. The difference between then and now is that I got loads of exercise through playing football, going swimming and walking everywhere. My downfall started when they opened McDonalds in Woolwich in 1976 and I got a taste for junk food. Like you, I've been dieting recently and I've managed to shift two stone just by cutting out the kebabs, burgers and pasties and do you know what, I feel so much better for it.
  • [cite]Posted By: C_f_W[/cite]Going back to the fat is the new black woman, what didn't help her cause this morning was that the discussion was about obesity being a health issue whereas for her the issue of size is about lifestyle choice.

    While she no doubt does a great job in breaking down the social stigma attached with being obese, the health facts are indisputable - being overweight is bad for your health. She should've stayed well away

    I missed some of what she said as I was filling the car up on the way back from the gym! If that doesn't say something about modern life what does.

    She seemed split between saying it's OK to be fat so celebrate it and blaming genetics, society, etc for her being overweight. So it's not your choice or it is?
  • We do have a climate where it is easier than ever for the lazy to stay on their fat arses, though. Whole cities are built around cars, the right to drive wherever is a national obsession, small shops you'd walk to are closing because sodding great big retail barns are squeezing them out. And, if you're in a desk job, when was the last time you got up to talk to someone rather than staying on your arse and e-mailing them?

    Some things are down to technology, but there's some subtle things that have happened - with the wholehearted support of governments over the past 20 years - that have changed the picture in favour of sitting on your arse and never getting up except to go to your car.

    Anyone who went to the Ricoh at Coventry will have seen a grand example of all that - a retail park miles from anywhere, sucking the life out of the city centre. Ultimately, individuals are responsible for being lazy bastards, but they've certainly been encouraged to become that way over the past two decades.

    (As an aside, my upstairs neighbour, every Sunday morning, drives to the newsagent to buy his Sunday Times. There are five newsagents within five minutes' walk of my house. He also drives to play squash at a club 10 minutes' walk away.)
  • edited October 2007
    [cite]Posted By: Valley_McMoist[/cite][quoteI've managed to shift two stone just by cutting out the kebabs, burgers and pasties and do you know what, I feel so much better for it.
    Feeling better for not eating kebabs, burgers and pasties? Never :-)
  • I've hardly cycled over the past month, and I can see and feel the difference, people need to stop moaning, and start moving.

    It is also the Culture of the car in this country, go to most northern European towns and you see people cycling about, and at the same time you see very few fat people, but over here we all want to be in our 2 tonnes of steel, driving however we like, not giving too hoots about anyone else. The car has it's place, but not in big cities, and certainly not as a way of getting kids a couple of miles to school
  • [cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite], and certainly not as a way of getting kids a couple of miles to school


    and that's another thing to blame the government for...kids should go to their local school, end of...
  • [cite]Posted By: ltgtr[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite], and certainly not as a way of getting kids a couple of miles to school


    and that's another thing to blame the government for...kids should go to their local school, end of...

    I'll blame parents for that, Government doesn't tell them to send there kids 10 miles away
  • edited October 2007
    [cite]Posted By: ltgtr[/cite]kids should go to their local school, end of...
    true ..... unfortunately in the 80s the politicians' mantra for schools was CHOICE (cheap) when it should have been QUALITY (costs).
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