which is why I still think it is better to have a police force and a legal system. It shouldn't have to be like that, people should have to sink to the level of that scum to get justice, they shouldn't be allowed to make decent people killers.
Law and order is what makes us better than them. Those of us who want to have rules and have people obey them have to follow them. That's what society and civilisation is all about.
Would that stop me wrapping a baseball bat around the head of someone who attacked my family? Maybe not but I'm getting on and I know that I couldn't front up a gang of 17 Y.O.s on my own. So then it would be gang of them and a gang of us. Very tempting but that way lies chaos.
Henry i know what you say is true. However dont you think they play on the fact that "we" cant be like "them" ? They see the whole system as week, they see us as week. If someone hurt one of mine like that i would not put my faith in our system. Would you ?
If i could i get the S.o.b in a place far from anywhere and let him know he was going to die, and there would be no chance of being saved. No bigging it up with his yoots anymore, but blackness and silence. I would let him think on this for awhile and maybe beg, and then it would be over.
If someone killed or seriously hurt one of your family intentionally, I wouldn't blame anyone for taking the law into their own hands. I'm not sure how I would deal with that myself.
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If i could i get the S.o.b in a place far from anywhere and let him know he was going to die, and there would be no chance of being saved. No bigging it up with his yoots anymore, but blackness and silence. I would let him think on this for awhile and maybe beg, and then it would be over.
Sheeetus - that's some heavy scary stuff GH. I don't know whether to start laughing or running!!!
Having read that there's something to be said I think for letting them get on with killing each other - if you want to be in a gang that's the price you pay.
i think we are close to a society that will snap and clamp down ourselves on the criminal mugs that our the bain of our society.
i have stopped many a fight when i go past a local school and there are 10 or 15 kids smashing one whilst teachers stand back scared.
i was delivering fizzy pop to some machines in a school called bishops stotford in ponders end when i was surrounded by 15 20 very big for their age black yoofs who all wanted me to hand over the takings and drinks from the machine this was infront of the teacher who looked petrified.
i have given a lift to a man who was getting battered by 3 yoofs for his watch and phone in broad daylight whilst others crossed the road. In woolwich
i even gave a 14 year old boy a lift to safety with my wife and at the time 3 yr old son in the car beacuse half a dozen crazy looking eastern europeans all older than him by 10 years were carrying bats knives and chains. i stopped when i saw the first police car coming towards me with lights flashing i told them who i had in the car. what i had seen and where they put their car in reverse told me to go to the nearest police station and they drove the other way. When i told of this to the police officer in the station he said they must have been called away to something more important when i asked what could be more important than people trying to kill a 14yr old he said you didnt know they were going to kill him, he had been badly beaten had wet himself all because he had started talking to one of these mens girlfriend which must have been a relationship inapropiate of age. it never went too court due to lack of evidence i wonder why or whay evidence may have been retrieved if the ob hadnt turnt tails.
something must change before more Garry newloves die protecting their home family and property because there are not enough OB who are there to protect and to serve us just like the USA however all i see is plastic OB and people with Tags and ASBO's walking our streets that we contribute to not these pieces of shite
as a group smudge maybe not but look at poor Garry Newlove how much did he take before trying to deal with an issue himself i am not talking about an uprising i am taliking about the faith being lost in OB and the Sentancing in this country and individuals who feel wronged not even using the OB let alone trusting them
slightly taking a different path but I think it is relevant. Amy Winehouse has been informed the police are not taking things further. pete doherty released after 20 odd days into a 40odd day sentence and a media furore when he leaves prison.
if the police aren't seen to be taking things seriously with people in the public eye, how is the message going to be seen by kids to behave and tow the line? I appreciate the evidence against amy was that there was no proof that it was crack in that pipe, and i know that media are to blame for lots of it as it sensationalises it. I can't help when something bad happens in the world the media rub their hands in glee for so many reasons, sales, qudos etc.
when will people learn that warnings, asbos, don't do anything? you can't smack kids, so they get a piece of paper saying they've been naughty and told not to do it again. is that REALLY going to teach them that its wrong? what is a piece of paper to them? waste of time.
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Law and order is what makes us better than them. Those of us who want to have rules and have people obey them have to follow them. That's what society and civilisation is all about.
Would that stop me wrapping a baseball bat around the head of someone who attacked my family? Maybe not but I'm getting on and I know that I couldn't front up a gang of 17 Y.O.s on my own. So then it would be gang of them and a gang of us. Very tempting but that way lies chaos.
Yes it was him who played the vigilante in Deathwish wasn't it?
I'm not talking about the psycho hippy bloke his name was Charles Manson i think.
Or that other geezer doing life who changed his name!
If i could i get the S.o.b in a place far from anywhere and let him know he was going to die, and there would be no chance of being saved. No bigging it up with his yoots anymore, but blackness and silence. I would let him think on this for awhile and maybe beg, and then it would be over.
Get yourself a stab proof cardigan and you'll be ok!
Sheeetus - that's some heavy scary stuff GH. I don't know whether to start laughing or running!!!
Kap10 is going to suffer some vigilante revenge from me for his bloody cardigan "jokes"
i think we are close to a society that will snap and clamp down ourselves on the criminal mugs that our the bain of our society.
i have stopped many a fight when i go past a local school and there are 10 or 15 kids smashing one whilst teachers stand back scared.
i was delivering fizzy pop to some machines in a school called bishops stotford in ponders end when i was surrounded by 15 20 very big for their age black yoofs who all wanted me to hand over the takings and drinks from the machine this was infront of the teacher who looked petrified.
i have given a lift to a man who was getting battered by 3 yoofs for his watch and phone in broad daylight whilst others crossed the road. In woolwich
i even gave a 14 year old boy a lift to safety with my wife and at the time 3 yr old son in the car beacuse half a dozen crazy looking eastern europeans all older than him by 10 years were carrying bats knives and chains. i stopped when i saw the first police car coming towards me with lights flashing i told them who i had in the car. what i had seen and where they put their car in reverse told me to go to the nearest police station and they drove the other way. When i told of this to the police officer in the station he said they must have been called away to something more important when i asked what could be more important than people trying to kill a 14yr old he said you didnt know they were going to kill him, he had been badly beaten had wet himself all because he had started talking to one of these mens girlfriend which must have been a relationship inapropiate of age. it never went too court due to lack of evidence i wonder why or whay evidence may have been retrieved if the ob hadnt turnt tails.
something must change before more Garry newloves die protecting their home family and property because there are not enough OB who are there to protect and to serve us just like the USA however all i see is plastic OB and people with Tags and ASBO's walking our streets that we contribute to not these pieces of shite
We're not.
And i would very much fear for this society if we were. I sounds fine in an idealistic way, but the reality would be far different.
if the police aren't seen to be taking things seriously with people in the public eye, how is the message going to be seen by kids to behave and tow the line? I appreciate the evidence against amy was that there was no proof that it was crack in that pipe, and i know that media are to blame for lots of it as it sensationalises it. I can't help when something bad happens in the world the media rub their hands in glee for so many reasons, sales, qudos etc.
when will people learn that warnings, asbos, don't do anything? you can't smack kids, so they get a piece of paper saying they've been naughty and told not to do it again. is that REALLY going to teach them that its wrong? what is a piece of paper to them? waste of time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7401814.stm
Lock 'em up and throw away the key...