[quote][cite]Posted By: pilchard[/cite]Ah Budgie, delightful to have you back old chap. I would still even now rather have the "found Out" Richard Murray than the repulsive sleazy attention seeking Simon Jordan any day of any week. So we were bollocks last year and got relegated, there is no one on here who would argue that we deserved any other fate than that, Palace hardly set the earth on fire either and had a distinctly mundane season, could be that way again perhaps. What do Palace have to show for their supposed time as South London's number one?? By my reckoning since they first hit the top division 40 odd years ago they have never managed to stick around for very long, so Palace's succesful period was 1989 to 1993, four whole years of being a reasonably decent side with a decent stike force, since then they have made the odd guest appearance at the top table and always for 1 season at a time delivering little and being quickly forgotten about. So Charlton are below Palace for now- just look at it as a your little moment to shine because you have waited so timidly for it all these years, we will be back to spank you again very soon, welcome back to your favourite website!(sorry to hear about Darren's little knock)[/quote]
I'm glad that you remembered Charlton are below Palace, and I will indeed enjoy the moment, as I prefer to enjoy the present, and not dwelling on the past. You mention Palace's brief time's in the Premiership, and you are quite right, we didn't really set it alight. It was so different to Charltons history when they were in the Prem, when they were setting it alight, challenging for europe every year, well up until xmas when Curbs thought the season finished, and you'd spiral down the league.
How Man U, Liverpool, and the Arsenal must have feared you.
[cite]Posted By: pilchard[/cite]Ah Budgie, delightful to have you back old chap. I would still even now rather have the "found Out" Richard Murray than the repulsive sleazy attention seeking Simon Jordan any day of any week. So we were bollocks last year and got relegated, there is no one on here who would argue that we deserved any other fate than that, Palace hardly set the earth on fire either and had a distinctly mundane season, could be that way again perhaps.
What do Palace have to show for their supposed time as South London's number one?? By my reckoning since they first hit the top division 40 odd years ago they have never managed to stick around for very long, so Palace's succesful period was 1989 to 1993, four whole years of being a reasonably decent side with a decent stike force, since then they have made the odd guest appearance at the top table and always for 1 season at a time delivering little and being quickly forgotten about. So Charlton are below Palace for now- just look at it as a your little moment to shine because you have waited so timidly for it all these years, we will be back to spank you again very soon, welcome back to your favourite website!(sorry to hear about Darren's little knock)
I'm glad that you remembered Charlton are below Palace, and I will indeed enjoy the moment, as I prefer to enjoy the present, and not dwelling on the past. You mention Palace's brief time's in the Premiership, and you are quite right, we didn't really set it alight. It was so different to Charltons history when they were in the Prem, when they were setting it alight, challenging for europe every year, well up until xmas when Curbs thought the season finished, and you'd spiral down the league.
How Man U, Liverpool, and the Arsenal must have feared you.
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I'm glad that you remembered Charlton are below Palace, and I will indeed enjoy the moment, as I prefer to enjoy the present, and not dwelling on the past. You mention Palace's brief time's in the Premiership, and you are quite right, we didn't really set it alight. It was so different to Charltons history when they were in the Prem, when they were setting it alight, challenging for europe every year, well up until xmas when Curbs thought the season finished, and you'd spiral down the league.
How Man U, Liverpool, and the Arsenal must have feared you.
END OF QUOTE.
Not dwelling on the past? Re-read your post.
The present is that Crystal Palace are plying their trade at a higher grade of football then Charlton Athletic, but seemingly more people prefer to come out and watch the lower grade product at the Valley, than the higher grade product at Selhurst Park.
Just for information, how many paid for season tickets have Crystal Palace sold for this season?
[cite]Posted By: budgie[/cite]I prefer to enjoy the present, and not dwelling on the past.
...because you don't have one.
That's not entirely true. Not so very long ago they played in a second-rate looking Burnley-type claret and blue kit. Now if that was your past you wouldn't want to dwell on it really, would you?
[cite]Posted By: budgie[/cite]I prefer to enjoy the present, and not dwelling on the past.
...because you don't have one.
That's not entirely true. Not so very long ago they played in a second-rate looking Burnley-type claret and blue kit. Now if that was your past you wouldn't want to dwell on it really, would you?
Fair point. What I should have said was...
"... because your shameful, embarassing past is littered with many, many troughs and no peaks"
[cite]Posted By: pilchard[/cite]Ah Budgie, delightful to have you back old chap. I would still even now rather have the "found Out" Richard Murray than the repulsive sleazy attention seeking Simon Jordan any day of any week. So we were bollocks last year and got relegated, there is no one on here who would argue that we deserved any other fate than that, Palace hardly set the earth on fire either and had a distinctly mundane season, could be that way again perhaps.
What do Palace have to show for their supposed time as South London's number one?? By my reckoning since they first hit the top division 40 odd years ago they have never managed to stick around for very long, so Palace's succesful period was 1989 to 1993, four whole years of being a reasonably decent side with a decent stike force, since then they have made the odd guest appearance at the top table and always for 1 season at a time delivering little and being quickly forgotten about. So Charlton are below Palace for now- just look at it as a your little moment to shine because you have waited so timidly for it all these years, we will be back to spank you again very soon, welcome back to your favourite website!(sorry to hear about Darren's little knock)
I'm glad that you remembered Charlton are below Palace, and I will indeed enjoy the moment, as I prefer to enjoy the present, and not dwelling on the past. You mention Palace's brief time's in the Premiership, and you are quite right, we didn't really set it alight. It was so different to Charltons history when they were in the Prem, when they were setting it alight, challenging for europe every year, well up until xmas when Curbs thought the season finished, and you'd spiral down the league.
How Man U, Liverpool, and the Arsenal must have feared you.
we did the double on arsenal... did them 4-2 at highbury... beat liverpool several times at the valley and did them at anfield(as opposed to losing 9-0)
and while we are on the big four , we did chelsea home and away for two seasons running...
shall i bring up tottenham, and everton and villa...
Chuckle- Nice presentation Mascot 88 and all true, a club's history is very important and makes it what it is. I'm glad Budgie is back with his wonderful little asides and his unique perspectives(just try and quote correctly and not attribute other posters comments to me and I will be a lot happier!) Frankly though the gulf between run of the mill going nowhere Championship teams and the better clubs in League 1 is not really that large at all. One season above us really doesn't amount to any kind of achievement by the glaziers, more like a piss poor season on our part last season. Enjoy the brief moment of oneupmanship in se25 because it won't be long before normal service is resumed.
[quote][cite]Posted By: The Red Tadpole[/cite]we will be swapping places next season dont worry.......[/quote]
I certainly wish you luck, but as for swapping places I very much doubt it.
We almost certainly won't be challenging for promotion, but I don't think we'll finish the season in the bottom three, as for you and promotion, I'd imagine you'll be in the mix, but theres a lot of competition.
We almost certainly won't be challenging for promotion, but I don't think we'll finish the season in the bottom three, as for you and promotion, I'd imagine you'll be in the mix, but theres a lot of competition.
[cite]Posted By: The Red Tadpole[/cite]we will be swapping places next season dont worry.......
I certainly wish you luck, but as for swapping places I very much doubt it.
We almost certainly won't be challenging for promotion, but I don't think we'll finish the season in the bottom three, as for you and promotion, I'd imagine you'll be in the mix, but theres a lot of competition.
A few injuries and you'll struggle. You are relying heavily on your youngsters and you haven't bought a single player yet. Now Tangoman has this transfer embargo hanging over the Club because he won't (or can't) pay the bills - if you believe the embargo is just about the £47k he owes to Ostler then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. With an alledged £5m put into the club up until the end of last month (yet still having an embargo put in place) must be worrying, particularly with no buyer in the background and the ground now in the hand of Kemsley's administrators.
[cite]Posted By: Amos on the wing[/cite]We almost certainly won't be challenging for promotion, but I don't think we'll finish the season in the bottom three, as for you and promotion, I'd imagine you'll be in the mix, but theres a lot of competition.
Tend to agree with Budgie. Whilst NW is in charge at palace I can't see them getting relegated.
IMHO as much as I don't like the guy if NW was in charge of us last season I don't think we would have got relegated. Not that I'm saying I would want him in charge at Charlton for one moment
Erm yes but Warney still signed Sears, John and Ambrose. Back that up with good youngsters and plenty of competitive players in the likes of McCarthy, Derry, Carle, Lee and Lawerence. They may struggle, but won't sink without a trace like Charlton. When you compare last seasons Charlton first eleven where perhaps only Bailey and Hudson kept their head up it's a whole lot of difference.
With a couple of loan signings to lift the team they really could compete. If you've ever seen Sears play he's really got something, if he sparks who knows? I think he's a better player than Frazier Campbell.
Ambrose, as we know, is lightweight and won't add significantly to their midfield - even if he stays fit for a large percentage of the season, John is apparantly out for 6 weeks with a dislocated elbow, Sears is, to a certain extent, an unknown gamble, Derry is 46 and well past it, Lee and Lawrence wouldn't get into our team and Carle has failed to deliver his undoubted promise. Add to that, a couple of Premier Clubs sniffing around their two decent youngsters and a Chairman desperate to raise funds.
Palace can't get even loan signings in at the moment. If you were looking to go out on laon, would you got to a Club that doesn't pay it's players?
[quote][cite]Posted By: Addickted[/cite]Palace can't get even loan signings in at the moment. If you were looking to go out on laon, would you got to a Club that doesn't pay it's players?[/quote]
Addicted you are very good at selective reporting, whilst its true we cannot make any signings at the moment, I'm pretty confident if the need arose, SJ would make the payments neccesary to have the embargo lifted.
As for not paying its players, I'm sure you're aware that the only players not been paid are ex-players, not an ideal situation I know, but as I say the players still employed by SJ are been paid.
Also as for Lee not getting in the Charlton side you surprise me, although he had a poor season last year, I'm quite confident he will do well this year, especially on the evidence of yesterdays play, where he linked well with Sears, who I'm confident if he remains fit will score 15+ goals this season, and if a team has a player who scores that many, it is unlikely although not impossible that they would struggle.
i liked the bit in one paper where colin had told the press that palace had greated 20 good scoring chances and a reporter had responded that his strike force had only managed to convert one of those 20 chances...a relegation strikeforce statistic in the making if you ask me, and i've seen a couple in the past few seasons...
[cite]Posted By: Addickted[/cite]Palace can't get even loan signings in at the moment. If you were looking to go out on laon, would you got to a Club that doesn't pay it's players?
Addicted you are very good at selective reporting, whilst its true we cannot make any signings at the moment, I'm pretty confident if the need arose, SJ would make the payments neccesary to have the embargo lifted.
As for not paying its players, I'm sure you're aware that the only players not been paid are ex-players, not an ideal situation I know, but as I say the players still employed by SJ are been paid.
Also as for Lee not getting in the Charlton side you surprise me, although he had a poor season last year, I'm quite confident he will do well this year, especially on the evidence of yesterdays play, where he linked well with Sears, who I'm confident if he remains fit will score 15+ goals this season, and if a team has a player who scores that many, it is unlikely although not impossible that they would struggle.
I'm reporting - you're the one being selective.
NONE of your players received their contracted bonus this year when it was due. All existing players received it one month late and those who left the Club didn't receive it all - despite being promised it by Jordan. Hence the embargo.
Lee is universally disliked by Palace fans who were desperate for him to move to Norwich pre season - you only have to read your own forums to see that. He only came on yesterday as John went off injured - and there were rumours that Fonte was going to play up front as Lee has been so poor.
[cite] I'm pretty confident if the need arose, SJ would make the payments neccesary to have the embargo lifted.
I'm also pretty confident that he would if he could but maybe he can't so he won't.............................. didn't look like a man with excess cash to throw around when travelling in economy on his way to the UK on Friday. Looked like he was about to throw an all too familiar hissy fit on more than one occasion. Air conditioning wasn't working and the plane was on the tarmac for an extra 30 minutes before take off. No prizes for guessing who the only plonker in a suit was !
yep we may have bigger crowds but so do leeds and i know what position in the league i'd rather be in and they are gonna finish above us for a minimum of 3 seasons running which isn't really great but we can take the piss out of their finanacial state when ours clearly isn't the healthiest but i go to watch football not look at bank balances and at this moment in time, unfortunately for us, they are better than us ...
[quote][cite]Posted By: Addickted[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: budgie[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Addickted[/cite]Palace can't get even loan signings in at the moment. If you were looking to go out on laon, would you got to a Club that doesn't pay it's players?[/quote]
Addicted you are very good at selective reporting, whilst its true we cannot make any signings at the moment, I'm pretty confident if the need arose, SJ would make the payments neccesary to have the embargo lifted.
As for not paying its players, I'm sure you're aware that the only players not been paid are ex-players, not an ideal situation I know, but as I say the players still employed by SJ are been paid.
Also as for Lee not getting in the Charlton side you surprise me, although he had a poor season last year, I'm quite confident he will do well this year, especially on the evidence of yesterdays play, where he linked well with Sears, who I'm confident if he remains fit will score 15+ goals this season, and if a team has a player who scores that many, it is unlikely although not impossible that they would struggle.[/quote]
I'm reporting - you're the one being selective.
NONE of your players received their contracted bonus this year when it was due. All existing players received it one month late and those who left the Club didn't receive it all - despite being promised it by Jordan. Hence the embargo.
Lee is universally disliked by Palace fans who were desperate for him to move to Norwich pre season - you only have to read your own forums to see that. He only came on yesterday as John went off injured - and there were rumours that Fonte was going to play up front as Lee has been so poor.[/quote]
So you're admitting what I said, the only people owed money are ex-players, as I said not ideal but all present players have been paid up in full.
As for Lee being universally disliked I disagree again, he is disliked by a large amount of Palace fans, but with more performances like yesterdays, and more goals, would you agree that he would become more liked. Football supporters are very fickle, last year at Palace Kuqi went from being hated to loved to hated to loved and finally to back hated.
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What do Palace have to show for their supposed time as South London's number one?? By my reckoning since they first hit the top division 40 odd years ago they have never managed to stick around for very long, so Palace's succesful period was 1989 to 1993, four whole years of being a reasonably decent side with a decent stike force, since then they have made the odd guest appearance at the top table and always for 1 season at a time delivering little and being quickly forgotten about. So Charlton are below Palace for now- just look at it as a your little moment to shine because you have waited so timidly for it all these years, we will be back to spank you again very soon, welcome back to your favourite website!(sorry to hear about Darren's little knock)[/quote]
I'm glad that you remembered Charlton are below Palace, and I will indeed enjoy the moment, as I prefer to enjoy the present, and not dwelling on the past. You mention Palace's brief time's in the Premiership, and you are quite right, we didn't really set it alight. It was so different to Charltons history when they were in the Prem, when they were setting it alight, challenging for europe every year, well up until xmas when Curbs thought the season finished, and you'd spiral down the league.
How Man U, Liverpool, and the Arsenal must have feared you.
We took a few pionts off them.
I'm glad that you remembered Charlton are below Palace, and I will indeed enjoy the moment, as I prefer to enjoy the present, and not dwelling on the past. You mention Palace's brief time's in the Premiership, and you are quite right, we didn't really set it alight. It was so different to Charltons history when they were in the Prem, when they were setting it alight, challenging for europe every year, well up until xmas when Curbs thought the season finished, and you'd spiral down the league.
How Man U, Liverpool, and the Arsenal must have feared you.
END OF QUOTE.
Not dwelling on the past? Re-read your post.
The present is that Crystal Palace are plying their trade at a higher grade of football then Charlton Athletic, but seemingly more people prefer to come out and watch the lower grade product at the Valley, than the higher grade product at Selhurst Park.
Just for information, how many paid for season tickets have Crystal Palace sold for this season?
That's not entirely true. Not so very long ago they played in a second-rate looking Burnley-type claret and blue kit. Now if that was your past you wouldn't want to dwell on it really, would you?
"... because your shameful, embarassing past is littered with many, many troughs and no peaks"
we did the double on arsenal... did them 4-2 at highbury... beat liverpool several times at the valley and did them at anfield(as opposed to losing 9-0)
and while we are on the big four , we did chelsea home and away for two seasons running...
shall i bring up tottenham, and everton and villa...
lol
thats what i meant before.... love it...
I certainly wish you luck, but as for swapping places I very much doubt it.
We almost certainly won't be challenging for promotion, but I don't think we'll finish the season in the bottom three, as for you and promotion, I'd imagine you'll be in the mix, but theres a lot of competition.
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Tend to agree with Budgie. Whilst NW is in charge at palace I can't see them getting relegated.
A few injuries and you'll struggle. You are relying heavily on your youngsters and you haven't bought a single player yet. Now Tangoman has this transfer embargo hanging over the Club because he won't (or can't) pay the bills - if you believe the embargo is just about the £47k he owes to Ostler then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. With an alledged £5m put into the club up until the end of last month (yet still having an embargo put in place) must be worrying, particularly with no buyer in the background and the ground now in the hand of Kemsley's administrators.
It can happen quite easily. Look at us.
With a couple of loan signings to lift the team they really could compete. If you've ever seen Sears play he's really got something, if he sparks who knows? I think he's a better player than Frazier Campbell.
Palace can't get even loan signings in at the moment. If you were looking to go out on laon, would you got to a Club that doesn't pay it's players?
Addicted you are very good at selective reporting, whilst its true we cannot make any signings at the moment, I'm pretty confident if the need arose, SJ would make the payments neccesary to have the embargo lifted.
As for not paying its players, I'm sure you're aware that the only players not been paid are ex-players, not an ideal situation I know, but as I say the players still employed by SJ are been paid.
Also as for Lee not getting in the Charlton side you surprise me, although he had a poor season last year, I'm quite confident he will do well this year, especially on the evidence of yesterdays play, where he linked well with Sears, who I'm confident if he remains fit will score 15+ goals this season, and if a team has a player who scores that many, it is unlikely although not impossible that they would struggle.
I'm reporting - you're the one being selective.
NONE of your players received their contracted bonus this year when it was due. All existing players received it one month late and those who left the Club didn't receive it all - despite being promised it by Jordan. Hence the embargo.
Lee is universally disliked by Palace fans who were desperate for him to move to Norwich pre season - you only have to read your own forums to see that. He only came on yesterday as John went off injured - and there were rumours that Fonte was going to play up front as Lee has been so poor.
Addicted you are very good at selective reporting, whilst its true we cannot make any signings at the moment, I'm pretty confident if the need arose, SJ would make the payments neccesary to have the embargo lifted.
As for not paying its players, I'm sure you're aware that the only players not been paid are ex-players, not an ideal situation I know, but as I say the players still employed by SJ are been paid.
Also as for Lee not getting in the Charlton side you surprise me, although he had a poor season last year, I'm quite confident he will do well this year, especially on the evidence of yesterdays play, where he linked well with Sears, who I'm confident if he remains fit will score 15+ goals this season, and if a team has a player who scores that many, it is unlikely although not impossible that they would struggle.[/quote]
I'm reporting - you're the one being selective.
NONE of your players received their contracted bonus this year when it was due. All existing players received it one month late and those who left the Club didn't receive it all - despite being promised it by Jordan. Hence the embargo.
Lee is universally disliked by Palace fans who were desperate for him to move to Norwich pre season - you only have to read your own forums to see that. He only came on yesterday as John went off injured - and there were rumours that Fonte was going to play up front as Lee has been so poor.[/quote]
So you're admitting what I said, the only people owed money are ex-players, as I said not ideal but all present players have been paid up in full.
As for Lee being universally disliked I disagree again, he is disliked by a large amount of Palace fans, but with more performances like yesterdays, and more goals, would you agree that he would become more liked. Football supporters are very fickle, last year at Palace Kuqi went from being hated to loved to hated to loved and finally to back hated.