[cite]Posted By: bibble[/cite]Hmmm... the world is in recession, Brown and Labour have looked after the economy, so now we have an unproven group to pull us out of the mess!!!
If the current recession is what you call looking after the economy, then i'd hate to see it neglected!!
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]It'll be Lab/Lib now Bibbab...
It's not terribly democratic, but I do hope so - I'm never keen on the Tories but there's just something that make me particularly wary of Cameron and his cronies.
Chris, Brown and Labour did not cause the recession, whoever was in power, the recesson would have happened. It was how it was managed that counted, they have had experience with the economy, pre the recession life was bloody good. If we were in the euro, as some of the parties wanted we would be totally up sh!t street. I suspect a lot of people on here did not live through the previous tory government. What a laugh that was!!
I was chatting to a bloke who is a member of the Liberal party & he was saying on Friday eve,he thought all the discussions between Lib & Cons over the weekend were just a smoke screen to make it seen the Libs hadn't rushed into anything.
He was as sure as he could be that the Libs would join up with Labour on the understanding that both 1) Gordon Brown was removed as leader immediately or gave a date within the next few months when he'd walk 2) Proportional representation came in NOW and there would be no turning back on it.
regardless of political views, we are supposed to live in a democracy. How is a lib-lab coalition a democracy? the tories got just as many votes as Labour did with their landlside in 97 yet due to the voting system we are left with a hung parliament which imho could be the norm in the next couple of general elections, I would not be shocked to see another general election before xmas and the same result as this one.
Trillions of pounds of national debt is looking after the economy?! I bet Labour HQ are desperate for the Torys and Libs to do a deal after the next 4 years of tax increases, job cuts in the public sector and a general crap time had by the all governed by a coalition trying to tidy up the mess left by the previous government Labour should have power for years from 2014...
I've looked into my crystal ball and over the next 12/18 months I see:
all that will be achieved through a Lib/Lab coalition will be a referendum on voting reform. One of the Milliband's will take over, and I think the referendum will succeed and the choice picking system will come in.
Once that's done a new election will be called.......
I'm a Labour supporter and voter, but surely the Conservatives deserve the chance to run the country ? They overwhelmingly finished ahead of Labour and Lib's (who still wouldn't have a majority between them).
Either way I'd prefer the Tory's to get in for about 12 months, take the heat for all the cuts which are necessary and will be carried out by whoever gets in and then Labour come back next year, with a new leader revitalised and win the genereal election which will sureley take place when a Con-Lib coalition fails.
On BBC they're calling this "a momentous moment in British politics" ?
The irony that the greatest acheivement of Browns premiership shall probably be his departure.
more people voted for Lab and Lib combined than the tories. So i have no problem with a coalition. I think it will only last as long as it takes for electoral reform to be passed into law (a year maybe). We will all then go back to the polls knowing our votes will count.
I hope David Miliband doesn't take it. He's got a very long career ahead of him and to waste his primeminsterial period at this point would be a bad idea - I'm sure most people will agree that whatever form the government now takes, it's not going to last very long.
That being said, he's by far the best politician in the Labour party at the moment and I can't imagine who else has the nous, sharpness and profile to take it.
[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]regardless of political views, we are supposed to live in a democracy. How is a lib-lab coalition a democracy? the tories got just as many votes as Labour did with their landlside in 97 yet due to the voting system we are left with a hung parliament which imho could be the norm in the next couple of general elections, I would not be shocked to see another general election before xmas and the same result as this one.
Between Labour and the Lib Dems they got 52% of the popular vote. Add in the SNP or whoever to that and you have a decent majority of the public.
I'd still prefer a Con-Lib government with electoral reform, because I think that'd be more stable and stability is important given the tough time the government's going to have. But I wouldn't call a Lab-Lib-etc coalition undemocratic. You could argue that Labour voters knew that they were getting rid of Brown either way (Clegg said he wouldn't have Brown as PM, if they're in opposition they'd probably replace him)
I think it will be postie Al..... the ex marxist..... might even get a bit of socialism back in the labour party! although he did oppose clause IV......
Seems to be short lived even if they do get together with all the others... but cannot see it lasting too long.
So unelected Prime minister,looses election , and resigns from party...... but still PM. ehm!........
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I'll give it 18 months of Tory/Lib dem screw ups, a forced election and then another landslide to labour!!
If the current recession is what you call looking after the economy, then i'd hate to see it neglected!!
It's not terribly democratic, but I do hope so - I'm never keen on the Tories but there's just something that make me particularly wary of Cameron and his cronies.
Brown and Labour did not cause the recession, whoever was in power, the recesson would have happened. It was how it was managed that counted, they have had experience with the economy, pre the recession life was bloody good. If we were in the euro, as some of the parties wanted we would be totally up sh!t street.
I suspect a lot of people on here did not live through the previous tory government. What a laugh that was!!
*Climbs down from soapbox!
He was as sure as he could be that the Libs would join up with Labour on the understanding that both 1) Gordon Brown was removed as leader immediately or gave a date within the next few months when he'd walk 2) Proportional representation came in NOW and there would be no turning back on it.
Maybe eh?
Miliband will be the next leader.
Adam Boulton squaring up to Alistar Campbell. Getting extremely wound up. Sky news very bitter about this election.
all that will be achieved through a Lib/Lab coalition will be a referendum on voting reform. One of the Milliband's will take over, and I think the referendum will succeed and the choice picking system will come in.
Once that's done a new election will be called.......
Either way I'd prefer the Tory's to get in for about 12 months, take the heat for all the cuts which are necessary and will be carried out by whoever gets in and then Labour come back next year, with a new leader revitalised and win the genereal election which will sureley take place when a Con-Lib coalition fails.
On BBC they're calling this "a momentous moment in British politics" ?
The irony that the greatest acheivement of Browns premiership shall probably be his departure.
That being said, he's by far the best politician in the Labour party at the moment and I can't imagine who else has the nous, sharpness and profile to take it.
David Milliband 5-2
Alan Johnson 6-1
Alan Curbishley 8-1
Harriet Harman 12-1
Vote Curbs ... we will always be safe ;-)
LOL
Between Labour and the Lib Dems they got 52% of the popular vote. Add in the SNP or whoever to that and you have a decent majority of the public.
I'd still prefer a Con-Lib government with electoral reform, because I think that'd be more stable and stability is important given the tough time the government's going to have. But I wouldn't call a Lab-Lib-etc coalition undemocratic. You could argue that Labour voters knew that they were getting rid of Brown either way (Clegg said he wouldn't have Brown as PM, if they're in opposition they'd probably replace him)
Curbs for Labour leader. ;-)
Seems to be short lived even if they do get together with all the others... but cannot see it lasting too long.
So unelected Prime minister,looses election , and resigns from party...... but still PM. ehm!........
Adam Boulton Squares Up To Alastair Campbell
Funny Stuff! Get's interesting around the 4:30 mark