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Andy Woodman. Discuss. (Edit: Ben Roberts hired as new goalkeeping coach - 29/12/10)

edited September 2010 in General Charlton
For the last couple of years I have not really understood what he brings to the table and I just wondered if anyone else had any opinions of him either way.

I overheard a comment from 3 board members in the summer which led me to believe he may not be hugely popular at their level and I must confess I too don't think he adds much.

All he seems to do on a matchday is ping a few shots at the goalies and then he is the mastermind with the pen and paper for the subs. You can't really say our goalkeeping standards have been exactly stellar for the last few years (Weaver, Elliot) so he isn't performing wonders on the training pitch

Maybe i've got it in for him - but he just reminds me too much of the honey monster to take him seriously. I just get the impression he is riding a gravy train on a very nice contract and will be out of work as soon as that ends

So can anyone please enlighten me?
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  • I don't know, Rob Elliot seems to have improved a lot, and Ross has come on leaps and bounds from being a part time keeper in the conference
  • Haven't the keepers always had their own specialist coach?

    Mike Kelly under Dowie and, going back a bit, Mick Cole (?s) who Deano always spoke highly of I remember reading.

    As a (former) keeper yourself you are probably best qualified to answer your own question!
  • Would agree with Rothko - Weaver was a 30 year old goalie who had never been that good - harder to teach old dogs new tricks. Elliot and Randolph have both developed into very capable goalies and, apart from a couple of loan spells, have only ever been exposed to teh coaching in Charlton (until Randolph left in the summer of course). Worner is showing signs of early promise and possibly improvement too, although it would be hard to attribute that to CAFC's coaches as I'd never seen him play for anyone else.

    I've seen him shouting things at the keepers from the touchline during games too - it wouldn't really be his place to start telling Benson what to do would it, so not really fair to jusdge him on what he seems to do on matchdays, most of his work will all be behind the scenes.
  • [cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]I don't know, Rob Elliot seems to have improved a lot, and Ross has come on leaps and bounds from being a part time keeper in the conference

    Rob has improved but is not as fit as he should be
    Weaver was ridiculously unfit
    Randy didn't train hard enough (that's a coaching issue)

    Worner I'm not including as he's new to it and looks to be a very useful player thus far.
  • Don't really know much about him but you always need a specialist keeping coach.
    I also think goalkeeping has been/is the least of our problems. I'm more likely to question what our striking coaches (if any) do.
  • I blame the fans
  • Waggit ---- Phil Chapple ----- Andy Woodman

    We do seem to have an obsession with "what do our staff do.." when we really have no idea of what goes on. can't we just concentrate on slagging off Parkie.
  • Overheard someone saying Pardew wanted him to go to southampton, but PP wanted to keep him and He wanted to stay with us too
  • edited September 2010
    [cite]Posted By: Swisdom[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]I don't know, Rob Elliot seems to have improved a lot, and Ross has come on leaps and bounds from being a part time keeper in the conference

    Rob has improved but is not as fit as he should be
    Weaver was ridiculously unfit
    Randy didn't train hard enough (that's a coaching issue)

    Worner I'm not including as he's new to it and looks to be a very useful player thus far.

    The Goalkeepers train together so not sure how you can claim Randlph didn't train enough. Lets face it, it's kind of hard to slack off when there's only two of you working to one person - I think he absence would be noticed!

    I heard that the club were very unhappy with the youth team goalkeeping manager and that when Randolph and Elliott move to the senior squad they were both unfit and carrying too much weight.

    Elliot is super-fit now, which is surely down to Woodys coaching.
  • If Elliott is super fit then I am Darth Vader!

    In the Q&A last week Parky and Breacker confirmed Randy didn't apply himself in training enough


    [cite]Posted By: creepyaddick[/cite]Overheard someone saying Pardew wanted him to go to southampton, but PP wanted to keep him and He wanted to stay with us too
    I think he's being well paid.
    [cite]Posted By: DRAddick[/cite]Don't really know much about him but you always need a specialist keeping coach.
    I also think goalkeeping has been/is the least of our problems. I'm more likely to question what our striking coaches (if any) do.

    I agree we need a specialist GK coack but he doesn't seem to be up to much from the little I see on a matchday and from the average GK standard of the last few years.
    Seems several boardmembers think the same
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  • [cite]Posted By: Harveys Trainer[/cite]
    Elliot is super-fit now, which is surely down to Woodys coaching.

    really
  • Not sure how we can really judge. We need someone coaching the keepers don't we? Must do more in training than what we see on a match day.

    Might be wrong but I think he is now coaching the u18 keepers as well. Someone mentioned on here the youth goalkeeping coach had lost his job and I think Woodman was mentioned in one of the recent match programmes in the academy bit.
  • What do Board members know, how often are they on the training field and seeing what goes on, how poor or good would the keepers be without Woodman.

    If Murray, Parkinson and Breacker deem him good enough then I am happy with that,its unlikely in these times of fianancial constraints we are going to carry passengers.
  • The proof will surely be to see how Worner progresses
    If he does well and can keep Robbie on top of his game and challenging for a start then surely the training is paying off
  • I don't know what Mike Phelan does at Man U (other than BBC interviews), but I suspect that the people who are in a good place to judge will have a better idea. We don't know what anyone does, other than the staff that come on here and the ones with very public jobs like Murray and Parkinson. I think we should limit our analysis to areas that we can see.
  • seem to keep his self in great shape thats for sure
  • He is Gareth Southgate's best friend.

    That's good enough for me.
  • [cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[/cite]I don't know what Mike Phelan does at Man U (other than BBC interviews), but I suspect that the people who are in a good place to judge will have a better idea. We don't know what anyone does, other than the staff that come on here and the ones with very public jobs like Murray and Parkinson. I think we should limit our analysis to areas that we can see.

    well said
  • well said MickeyBennett
  • Goalkeeping is the last thing we should be worrying about, I want to know who coaches our non goalcoring strikers.
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  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[/cite]I don't know what Mike Phelan does at Man U (other than BBC interviews), but I suspect that the people who are in a good place to judge will have a better idea. We don't know what anyone does, other than the staff that come on here and the ones with very public jobs like Murray and Parkinson. I think we should limit our analysis to areas that we can see.

    well said

    seconded
  • [cite]Posted By: Bedsaddick[/cite]Goalkeeping is the last thing we should be worrying about, I want to know who coaches our non goalcoring strikers.

    heard Mike Small has been assisting in that area ;-)
  • swisdom how bored must you have been to think about andy woodman and actualy post about it. no mater what he looks like are you at the training ground every day to see what he does. it really winds me up how stupid some peoples coments are on here
  • [cite]Posted By: itsmyball[/cite]swisdom how bored must you have been to think about andy woodman and actualy post about it. no mater what he looks like are you at the training ground every day to see what he does. it really winds me up how stupid some peoples coments are on here

    Wasn't Swisdom actually asking for information? Thought he had a relevant question and sometimes there are people who have useful information. I can't see anything stupid about his question. I'm always at the ground very early and have thus spent quite a bit of time watching the goalies warm up. It has often struck me that there seems to be quite a bit of chummy joking about and the whole session seems quite low tempo and casual. I have no idea whether or not this is a good thing, but I too would be interested to hear peoples views.
  • [cite]Posted By: itsmyball[/cite]swisdom how bored must you have been to think about andy woodman and actualy post about it. no mater what he looks like are you at the training ground every day to see what he does. it really winds me up how stupid some peoples coments are on here

    It's nothing to do with my being bored. It was an observation I made yet again at the weekend and decided there and then that I would pose it to the people on here. I knew I could expect some reasoned comment, some wind-up merchants and also that I might bug someone.

    Much like stilladdicted I too arrive early most weeks and watch the warm ups and it doesn't seem especially challenging. It's all a bit low-key and lazy if you ask me. This seems to follow through into the game for Robbie and also did for Randolph. At least Worner looks like he gives a crap and seems to put a lot more effort in. I seem to recall this was the case in the warm up for Welling pre season too. He was berating himself for not getting down to shots etc. Robbie didn't bother. Woodman didn't bother.

    In answer to your question I am not at the training ground every day so no, I can't say for certain what he does. But that is true of 99% of the conversations and posters on here too.
    All I can refer to is the standard of goalkeeping and his body language and, as previously stated and echoed by other people, it's not been stellar in the goal in recent times and Woody's body language does nothing to inspire me either.
  • Not sure how much can be read into pre match warm ups. With keeping being a very phisical role maybe the warm up is designed to limit injury risks.
  • A warm up is just that a warm up so it isn't going to be a full on session just before KO.

    I don't know if Woodman does a good or bad job or if he's on big wages that were offered to him by a previous manager but the wording of the question reads as rhetorical rather than a request for more information on his roles and responsibilities.
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxlmj0KMuU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaegzcbCGr8

    Interview on Youtube with Woodman (and some with Elliot), and 11 drills with him coaching Rob Elliot.
  • He's now left the club to join Pardew at Newcastle
  • I hear parky is next.... May just be a rumour
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