Builders in at the training ground

Swisdom

What the club are proposing is a great deal larger than was previously on site. Significantly more water, power and gas required. Getting quotations alone usually takes many months. This is massively more complex than a domestic property. It's also not quite as simple as just "digging a trench" when it's got to travel about half a mile in places.

Off_it

Swisdom said:

What the club are proposing is a great deal larger than was previously on site. Significantly more water, power and gas required. Getting quotations alone usually takes many months. This is massively more complex than a domestic property. It's also not quite as simple as just "digging a trench" when it's got to travel about half a mile in places.

So, no problem at all then? The fact that work appears to have stopped is all part of the master plan?

Right-o, glad that's been cleared up once and for all.

Fanny Fanackapan

Off_it said:

Swisdom said:

What the club are proposing is a great deal larger than was previously on site. Significantly more water, power and gas required. Getting quotations alone usually takes many months. This is massively more complex than a domestic property. It's also not quite as simple as just "digging a trench" when it's got to travel about half a mile in places.

So, no problem at all then? The fact that work appears to have stopped is all part of the master plan?

Right-o, glad that's been cleared up once and for all.

B*gger !

Henry Irving

Where is that grass @cabbles? ; - )

Airman Brown

Swisdom said:

What the club are proposing is a great deal larger than was previously on site. Significantly more water, power and gas required. Getting quotations alone usually takes many months. This is massively more complex than a domestic property. It's also not quite as simple as just "digging a trench" when it's got to travel about half a mile in places.

While that's true, it's not something that has been discovered in the last few months, is it? Consent was granted eight months ago and the scheme was submitted about a year ago. The previous version that received consent in 2014 was already significantly larger than the existing facility, albeit the building was not in exactly the same place, and that had been around since 2012. So presumably enhanced services was already a known issue.

cafc999

Work has probably stopped as Tony Bollocks has found a space where he can squeeze some more flats in

T_C_E

cafc999 said:

Work has probably stopped has Tony Bollocks has found a space where he can squeeze some more flats in

The club has released details of the planned building work at SL

cafc999

T.C.E said:

cafc999 said:

Work has probably stopped has Tony Bollocks has found a space where he can squeeze some more flats in

The club has released details of the planned building work at SL

The regime will then shout that not only do we have the best pitch in the league, we also have the most flats.

Addickted

Swisdom said:

It's also not quite as simple as just "digging a trench" when it's got to travel about half a mile in places.

If you use a trench machine for 200m run in a light clay soil with calcified limestone pockets to a 0.75m depth for a gas pipe, it will take you less than six hours.

So that will be four days work then with one machine and gang. Total cost about £14k including machine hire.

MountsfieldPark

I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere about RD having calcified limestone pockets.

c4fcdenmark

Kap10 said:

Leeds_Addick said:

Other people working on the project:

From the latest planning application dated 10th of March.


Couch Consulting Engineers - Civil & Structural Engineering, doc related to drainage

Presumably their time will now be spent fixing the sofa!

They were only hired nine days ago!

rikofold

Airman Brown said:

Leeds_Addick said:

rikofold said:

The official version is that the work continues but as it was going to miss the audit deadline for Cat 1 the schedule was relaxed.

Don't shoot the messenger.

It would make zero sense from a construction point of view to 'relax' the schedule. The longer the project goes on for, the more it costs. If they have 'relaxed' the schedule then there'll be another reason behind it.

Several people have told me you can't get Category One as a League One club, but I haven't been able to verify that. Don't think any club has anyway, because the costs are enormous in the context of L1 turnover.

That's the point as I understand it. It's qualifying criteria being met, not league status.

T_C_E

Addickted said:

Swisdom said:

It's also not quite as simple as just "digging a trench" when it's got to travel about half a mile in places.

If you use a trench machine for 200m run in a light clay soil with calcified limestone pockets to a 0.75m depth for a gas pipe, it will take you less than six hours.

So that will be four days work then with one machine and gang. Total cost about £14k including machine hire.

The amount of practice KM has at digging fecking holes, she could knock the job out in a weekend

Todds_right_hook

Airman Brown said:

Keohane claimed at the end of April (Fans' Forum meeting) that the next stage of the scheme was currently out to tender. I'd imagine works of this scale would have a considerable lead time, especially in the current market, but obviously defer to others who would know about these things.

This is at odds with previous timetable announcements, based on which work on the main building should have started.

Tenders came back at £500k, Roland wanted to pay £150k so the contract wasn't awarded

Todds_right_hook

The ojeu comment is a good point, but the club do what they like so could have ignored this. If tenders are back, the opportunity wouldn't show on the ojeu web site now?

If a contract has been signed and charlton pull the plug, the contractor will be entitled to loss and expense claim.

Getting services to the building can cause delay, but the design team and contractor should have considered this. The English design team probably got sent to Birmingham to cut costs and were replaced with a cheaper, younger, European!

Leeds_Addick

From Sue Parkes written on May 10:

"work at Training Ground is continuing - I asked Tony Keohane (he is in charge of the project) a couple of weeks ago. It seems there are still some tenders to come in for parts of the work. We already have 2 new pitches and the reservoir completed (this will provide an irrigation scheme for the pitches which is not only cost effective but also conserves water). The logistics of getting the works completed whilst still maintaining a fully functional training ground is a mammoth task. The work to pitches/reservoir saw over 250 lorries come into the TG over a 3 week period to deliver materials. As the only entrance is via a very busy cul de sac of 96 properties where there is also an entrance to Greenwich University campus, a Green Chain Walk and a daily Nursery School you will see that to continue on a daily basis is almost impossible and has to be worked in phases. Tony told me that the next phase would see at least as many vehicles again and should start in a couple of weeks (any time now I would expect). I assume it was to tie in with the Players summer break. This next project I believe is a semi permanent access road. Seems it is all good. As soon as I can give more details I will do so."

1 minute later:

"Apologies, I have just been told that due to the wet weather there is still a small amount of work to be completed with regard to the reservoir. Part of this work entails erecting a safety fence around the perimeter."

man_at_milletts

I'm no civil engineer, but I'd say that needs a bit more work on it.

Airman Brown

Leeds_Addick said:

From Sue Parkes written on May 10:

"work at Training Ground is continuing - I asked Tony Keohane (he is in charge of the project) a couple of weeks ago. It seems there are still some tenders to come in for parts of the work. We already have 2 new pitches and the reservoir completed (this will provide an irrigation scheme for the pitches which is not only cost effective but also conserves water). The logistics of getting the works completed whilst still maintaining a fully functional training ground is a mammoth task. The work to pitches/reservoir saw over 250 lorries come into the TG over a 3 week period to deliver materials. As the only entrance is via a very busy cul de sac of 96 properties where there is also an entrance to Greenwich University campus, a Green Chain Walk and a daily Nursery School you will see that to continue on a daily basis is almost impossible and has to be worked in phases. Tony told me that the next phase would see at least as many vehicles again and should start in a couple of weeks (any time now I would expect). I assume it was to tie in with the Players summer break. This next project I believe is a semi permanent access road. Seems it is all good. As soon as I can give more details I will do so."

1 minute later:

"Apologies, I have just been told that due to the wet weather there is still a small amount of work to be completed with regard to the reservoir. Part of this work entails erecting a safety fence around the perimeter."

Just how dysfunctional is this organisation that the club secretary's wife becomes its only spokesperson on a major project? What does it say about the chief executive that she allows this to be the situation?

Leeds_Addick

Airman Brown said:

Leeds_Addick said:

From Sue Parkes written on May 10:

"work at Training Ground is continuing - I asked Tony Keohane (he is in charge of the project) a couple of weeks ago. It seems there are still some tenders to come in for parts of the work. We already have 2 new pitches and the reservoir completed (this will provide an irrigation scheme for the pitches which is not only cost effective but also conserves water). The logistics of getting the works completed whilst still maintaining a fully functional training ground is a mammoth task. The work to pitches/reservoir saw over 250 lorries come into the TG over a 3 week period to deliver materials. As the only entrance is via a very busy cul de sac of 96 properties where there is also an entrance to Greenwich University campus, a Green Chain Walk and a daily Nursery School you will see that to continue on a daily basis is almost impossible and has to be worked in phases. Tony told me that the next phase would see at least as many vehicles again and should start in a couple of weeks (any time now I would expect). I assume it was to tie in with the Players summer break. This next project I believe is a semi permanent access road. Seems it is all good. As soon as I can give more details I will do so."

1 minute later:

"Apologies, I have just been told that due to the wet weather there is still a small amount of work to be completed with regard to the reservoir. Part of this work entails erecting a safety fence around the perimeter."

Just how dysfunctional is this organisation that the club secretary's wife becomes its only spokesperson on a major project? What does it say about the chief executive that she allows this to be the situation?

I know, absolutely shocking.
Had to wait a while to be granted approval to join the group on facebook as well. Group is hilarious though, only links that shed the regime in a positive light are allowed to stay.
Happy to become the official mole!

Dazzler21

Link to the group please Leeds?

WasCharleyOne

man_at_milletts said:

I'm no civil engineer, but I'd say that needs a bit more work on it.

As the great Bernard Cribbins once said:

There I was, a-diggin' this 'ole
'Ole in the ground, so big and sort o' round it was
And there was I, diggin' it deep
It was flat at the bottom and the sides were steep
When along comes this bloke in a bowler
Which he lifted and scratched his 'ead
Woooh, he looked down the 'ole
Poor demented soul and he said

"Do you mind if I make a suggestion?

Dippenhall

Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere
The hole's too round its supposed to be square.

mogodon

Leeds_Addick said:

Airman Brown said:

Leeds_Addick said:

From Sue Parkes written on May 10:

"work at Training Ground is continuing - I asked Tony Keohane (he is in charge of the project) a couple of weeks ago. It seems there are still some tenders to come in for parts of the work. We already have 2 new pitches and the reservoir completed (this will provide an irrigation scheme for the pitches which is not only cost effective but also conserves water). The logistics of getting the works completed whilst still maintaining a fully functional training ground is a mammoth task. The work to pitches/reservoir saw over 250 lorries come into the TG over a 3 week period to deliver materials. As the only entrance is via a very busy cul de sac of 96 properties where there is also an entrance to Greenwich University campus, a Green Chain Walk and a daily Nursery School you will see that to continue on a daily basis is almost impossible and has to be worked in phases. Tony told me that the next phase would see at least as many vehicles again and should start in a couple of weeks (any time now I would expect). I assume it was to tie in with the Players summer break. This next project I believe is a semi permanent access road. Seems it is all good. As soon as I can give more details I will do so."

1 minute later:

"Apologies, I have just been told that due to the wet weather there is still a small amount of work to be completed with regard to the reservoir. Part of this work entails erecting a safety fence around the perimeter."

Just how dysfunctional is this organisation that the club secretary's wife becomes its only spokesperson on a major project? What does it say about the chief executive that she allows this to be the situation?

I know, absolutely shocking.
Had to wait a while to be granted approval to join the group on facebook as well. Group is hilarious though, only links that shed the regime in a positive light are allowed to stay.
Happy to become the official mole!

Oh. I have been consistently (but politely) critical on Facebook for months - and engaged with Sue - and not been banned. I am now feeling slightly ashamed.

soapy_jones

man_at_milletts said:

I'm no civil engineer, but I'd say that needs a bit more work on it.

Someone will turn a stud in that. Will those wankers never learn? Belgians out!!!!

Addickted

So the Burger Flipper in Chief is Project Managing this complex construction project?

God help us.

Swisdom

Addickted said:

So the Burger Flipper in Chief is Project Managing this complex construction project?

God help us.

No Tony is not Project Managing it. There's a specialist company doing so and they report in to Tony and the team

mogodon

Swisdom said:

Addickted said:

So the Burger Flipper in Chief is Project Managing this complex construction project?

God help us.

No Tony is not Project Managing it. There's a specialist company doing so and they report in to Tony and the team

His career so far should put him in a great position to spot any problems way before they happen. All good then ...

Swisdom

mogodon said:

Swisdom said:

Addickted said:

So the Burger Flipper in Chief is Project Managing this complex construction project?

God help us.

No Tony is not Project Managing it. There's a specialist company doing so and they report in to Tony and the team

His career so far should put him in a great position to spot any problems way before they happen. All good then ...

That's why he employs experts in their respective fields. A good manager doesn't "DO" much - they surround themselves with people better than them at specific tasks.

killerandflash

mogodon said:

Leeds_Addick said:

Airman Brown said:

Leeds_Addick said:

From Sue Parkes written on May 10:

"work at Training Ground is continuing - I asked Tony Keohane (he is in charge of the project) a couple of weeks ago. It seems there are still some tenders to come in for parts of the work. We already have 2 new pitches and the reservoir completed (this will provide an irrigation scheme for the pitches which is not only cost effective but also conserves water). The logistics of getting the works completed whilst still maintaining a fully functional training ground is a mammoth task. The work to pitches/reservoir saw over 250 lorries come into the TG over a 3 week period to deliver materials. As the only entrance is via a very busy cul de sac of 96 properties where there is also an entrance to Greenwich University campus, a Green Chain Walk and a daily Nursery School you will see that to continue on a daily basis is almost impossible and has to be worked in phases. Tony told me that the next phase would see at least as many vehicles again and should start in a couple of weeks (any time now I would expect). I assume it was to tie in with the Players summer break. This next project I believe is a semi permanent access road. Seems it is all good. As soon as I can give more details I will do so."

1 minute later:

"Apologies, I have just been told that due to the wet weather there is still a small amount of work to be completed with regard to the reservoir. Part of this work entails erecting a safety fence around the perimeter."

Just how dysfunctional is this organisation that the club secretary's wife becomes its only spokesperson on a major project? What does it say about the chief executive that she allows this to be the situation?

I know, absolutely shocking.
Had to wait a while to be granted approval to join the group on facebook as well. Group is hilarious though, only links that shed the regime in a positive light are allowed to stay.
Happy to become the official mole!

Oh. I have been consistently (but politely) critical on Facebook for months - and engaged with Sue - and not been banned. I am now feeling slightly ashamed.

Blimey, does Chris know?

Miserableoldgit

Henry Irving said:

The "You can't get Cat 1 in league 1" argument doesn't hold water.

Even if that is the rule the build won't be finished until next summer. The club must at least expect to have a go at promotion before then even if we know that they lack the common sense to build a club and team able to do that.

If, and it still isn't clear if this is the case, the work has stopped or even to quote the bully boy coward Tony Keohone "relaxed" then we really are in a bad way.

The training ground was one of the few, perhaps only, good long term projects this regime has promised to do and started and now it could be stopped.

Meanwhile the training ground is, to quote JBG, "Shit", the facilities outdated and now half built. The players are eating in portacabins and the Community Trust (that's the trust that does all the good work that Katrien falsely claims credit) is in temporary offices.

Bump.