We're higher than "15th best" in the World. The fact that we regularly qualify for most tournaments automatically with only one or two losses at a time and reach the Quarter Final stages makes me think we should probably be somewhere between 7th-9th.
If you look at the stats, we've played in 13 world cups, and have an average finishing position of 7th. We've played in 8 European championships, and have an average finishing position of 5th. A couple of non-qualifications in the last 20 years hurts us, but as cafctom says, 7th-9th is realistically where we are.
Of course, if we could take penalties, our stats would look a lot lot better. You could swap our two semi-finals in my life time for finals just for a start, and two finals in which we'd most likely have been favourites.
in the last few months we've beaten Spain, the World and Euro champions and drawn away with the Confed cup winners and probable favourites for the next World Cup, Brazil. Number 3 might be over egging the pudding, but England is not so bad a team as 'we' like to cry into our beer about, certainly better than 15th
in the last few months we've beaten Spain, the World and Euro champions and drawn away with the Confed cup winners and probable favourites for the next World Cup, Brazil. Number 3 might be over egging the pudding, but England is not so bad a team as 'we' like to cry into our beer about, certainly better than 15th
Well said Lincs. But let's be honest, sensible people don't get carried away when we are supposedly top four and don't slit their wrists when we are 15th. It's only a bit of fun to spark bar room debates and excite young folk who take things like the singles chart seriously.
I think its any where between 9th-15th. The time à while ago when we third was ridiculous.
Its pretty random where you end up and can not argue with 15th. Its very possible we are 15th in the world. Its possible we could be ninth. Without à full international league we will never know.
I think its any where between 9th-15th. The time à while ago when we third was ridiculous.
Its pretty random where you end up and can not argue with 15th. Its very possible we are 15th in the world. Its possible we could be ninth. Without à full international league we will never know.
"Third was ridiculous", "cannot argue with 15th"? Either you accept the rankings or you don't, you can't just choose to use the ones that agree with your opinion SWP. That is not logical, captain...
If you read Tom and Randy Andy's posts above I think they are more or less right, and they are using logic and facts to explain their theories.
Well recently we drew with Brazil, but then also drew with Rep. of Ireland.
I guess it's probably because we haven't had a game in a while, whereas other teams have been picking up points from qualification games and the Confed. cup.
I think its any where between 9th-15th. The time à while ago when we third was ridiculous.
Its pretty random where you end up and can not argue with 15th. Its very possible we are 15th in the world. Its possible we could be ninth. Without à full international league we will never know.
"Third was ridiculous", "cannot argue with 15th"? Either you accept the rankings or you don't, you can't just choose to use the ones that agree with your opinion SWP. That is not logical, captain...
If you read Tom and Randy Andy's posts above I think they are more or less right, and they are using logic and facts to explain their theories.
Here is some logic.
A team who fails to beat Ukraine, Montenegro, republic of ireland is more likely to be way closer to 15th than 3rd regardless of Brazil results. That was my point.
FIFA need a stated mathematical system for the seedings of countries in qualifying rounds and competitions. You are never going to get anything perfect that truly reflects the ratings.
I think its any where between 9th-15th. The time à while ago when we third was ridiculous.
Its pretty random where you end up and can not argue with 15th. Its very possible we are 15th in the world. Its possible we could be ninth. Without à full international league we will never know.
"Third was ridiculous", "cannot argue with 15th"? Either you accept the rankings or you don't, you can't just choose to use the ones that agree with your opinion SWP. That is not logical, captain...
If you read Tom and Randy Andy's posts above I think they are more or less right, and they are using logic and facts to explain their theories.
Here is some logic.
A team who fails to beat Ukraine, Montenegro, republic of ireland is more likely to be way closer to 15th than 3rd regardless of Brazil results. That was my point.
Keep in mind that Montenegro or Ireland only managed to get draws from us as well. England are a generally consistent side in most games. Performances aren't often mindblowing, but we will more often than not get a result.
Neither do they involve full squads. Its the equivalent of suggesting club teams get points or rewards for their games against Welling or Real Madrid in pre season games.
Neither do they involve full squads. Its the equivalent of suggesting club teams get points or rewards for their games against Welling or Real Madrid in pre season games.
Neither do they involve full squads. Its the equivalent of suggesting club teams get points or rewards for their games against Welling or Real Madrid in pre season games.
It was you that mentioned Ireland though.
Only in reference to the fact that someone stated we should be closer to 15th simply because we couldn't beat Ireland. I was merely pointing out that they didn't beat us either, so lets not discredit England more than necessary. My stance is that games like that shouldn't count anyway.
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Of course, if we could take penalties, our stats would look a lot lot better. You could swap our two semi-finals in my life time for finals just for a start, and two finals in which we'd most likely have been favourites.
Its pretty random where you end up and can not argue with 15th. Its very possible we are 15th in the world. Its possible we could be ninth. Without à full international league we will never know.
If you read Tom and Randy Andy's posts above I think they are more or less right, and they are using logic and facts to explain their theories.
I guess it's probably because we haven't had a game in a while, whereas other teams have been picking up points from qualification games and the Confed. cup.
A team who fails to beat Ukraine, Montenegro, republic of ireland is more likely to be way closer to 15th than 3rd regardless of Brazil results. That was my point.
http://www.eloratings.net/
You are never going to get anything perfect that truly reflects the ratings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_national_football_team
Keep in mind that Montenegro or Ireland only managed to get draws from us as well. England are a generally consistent side in most games. Performances aren't often mindblowing, but we will more often than not get a result.