Those articles say Wales would've been above England if we hadn't won on Sunday. So, as we did win, what is our ranking now, as presumably we're back in the top ten?
Those articles say Wales would've been above England if we hadn't won on Sunday. So, as we did win, what is our ranking now, as presumably we're back in the top ten?
Not necessarily. If other teams that were already ahead of us had won, at least some would stay ahead of us, wouldn't they?
Think there is a bit of confusion here... Wales by beating Belgium wont be one of the top 10 nations in the world they'll be one of the top 10 European nations.
Means that Brazil / Argentina / Colombia / Costa Rica / United States et al will still be ahead of them so it means they'll be in the World top 20 now (with England probably back ahead of Costa Rica)
Seems like 4 qualifying points against Belgium ranks better than beating Brazil & Argentina in Copa America last month. Based on 2015 ranking points, Wales (817) are comfortably the best team of 2015, with Romania (786) second.
The ranking is used purely for seeding purposes, right? It does not actually mean that Belgium is better than Spain, it is done on form with some adjustment based on your opponent's ranking, if my understanding is correct?
Think there is a bit of confusion here... Wales by beating Belgium wont be one of the top 10 nations in the world they'll be one of the top 10 European nations.
Means that Brazil / Argentina / Colombia / Costa Rica / United States et al will still be ahead of them so it means they'll be in the World top 20 now (with England probably back ahead of Costa Rica)
So Chile win the Copa America, beating 1st placed Argentina in the final and are still behind Wales (and England), not to mention Brazil and Colombia who they beat to the cup?
I know it's been said many times and I know there are some calculations underpinning them before but these rankings always seem so counterintuitive.
How did Romania get into the top 10? Can't remember them beating any big teams although they (along with everyone else incl the Faroe Islands) may have beaten Greece.
Just had a quick peep at Wiki. According to the records on there, Romania's only "successes" against other top ranked sides that are still relevant to the rankings (ie within the past 4 years) are a 0-0 draw with France in a qualifier back in 2011, a 2-1 defeat of Belgium in a friendly and another 0-0 in a friendly with Argentina. They failed to qualify for Euro 2012 or Brazil 14.
They have managed draws with the might of Greece, Northern Ireland, Slovakia, Hungary (twice), Belarus and Albania, as well as losing to Slovenia, Turkey, Greece and Algeria...
Here's the latest: FIFA RANKINGS FOR OCTOBER 1. Germany (1) 2. Brazil (2) 3. Portugal (3) 4. Argentina (4) 5. Belgium (5) 6. Poland (6) 7. France (8) 8. Spain (11) 9. Chile (9) 10. Peru (12) 11. Switzerland (7) 12. England (15) 13. Colombia (10) 14. Wales (13) 15. Italy (17) 16. Mexico (14) 17. Uruguay (16) 18. Croatia (18) 19. Denmark (26) 20. Holland (29)
Usual crap, The Netherlands have gone UP 9 places despite failing to qualify for their second successive major tournament. How does that work?
So we won't be seeded in the WC group stage, could be a blessing. I think we play better against bigger teams.
Depends if we're drawn with Poland or Belgium who are also seeded, neither of whom are better than England (the latter are probably on a par - whilst Poland are nothing without Lewandowski)
Being in the same Group as Germany or Argentina would be brilliant to watch
Usual crap, The Netherlands have gone UP 9 places despite failing to qualify for their second successive major tournament. How does that work?
Well they won the two games they've played since the last ranking.
Only strange case is they appear to have jumped ahead of Iceland who also won two games
I can only presume that Holland got more points Iceland because the former beat Belarus and Sweden which equal as better results than what the latter managed (i.e. they only beat Turkey and Kosovo)
Usual crap, The Netherlands have gone UP 9 places despite failing to qualify for their second successive major tournament. How does that work?
Well they won the two games they've played since the last ranking.
Only strange case is they appear to have jumped ahead of Iceland who also won two games
I can only presume that Holland got more points Iceland because the former beat Belarus and Sweden which equal as better results than what the latter managed (i.e. they only beat Turkey and Kosovo)
Yeah I think that's how it works, more points for beating higher ranked teams.
I always preferred the World Football Elo Ratings which, if you’re interested, have this top 20…
1. Argentina 2. Brazil 3. France 4. Netherlands 5. Portugal 6. Spain 7. Italy 8. England 9. Germany 10. Croatia 11. Belgium 12. Colombia 13. Uruguay 14. Denmark 15. Switzerland 16. Morocco 17. Peru 18. Japan 19. Ecuador 20. Serbia
I always preferred the World Football Elo Ratings which, if you’re interested, have this top 20…
1. Argentina 2. Brazil 3. France 4. Netherlands 5. Portugal 6. Spain 7. Italy 8. England 9. Germany 10. Croatia 11. Belgium 12. Colombia 13. Uruguay 14. Denmark 15. Switzerland 16. Morocco 17. Peru 18. Japan 19. Ecuador 20. Serbia
I always preferred the World Football Elo Ratings which, if you’re interested, have this top 20…
1. Argentina 2. Brazil 3. France 4. Netherlands 5. Portugal 6. Spain 7. Italy 8. England 9. Germany 10. Croatia 11. Belgium 12. Colombia 13. Uruguay 14. Denmark 15. Switzerland 16. Morocco 17. Peru 18. Japan 19. Ecuador 20. Serbia
Post WC rankings to be released on Thursday but now we have the formula, some clever people have worked it all out ahead of time:
1. Brazil (NC) 2. Argentina (+1) 3. France (+1) 4. Belgium (-2) 5. England (NC) 6. Netherlands (+2) 7. Croatia (+5) 8. Italy (-2) 9. Portugal (NC) 10. Spain (-3) 11. Morocco (+11) 12. Switzerland (+3) 13. USA (+3) 14. Germany (-3) 15. Mexico (-2) 16. Uruguay (-2) 17. Colombia (NC) 18. Denmark (-8) 19. Senegal (-1) 20. Japan (+4)
27. Australia (+11) 28. Wales (-9)
I always think that the FIFA Rankings should have an auto reset after each World Cup
Lower rankings are harder for the teams that dont qualify etc. Plus you've got the likes of Italy who only won the Euros a year ago, so my "theory" already has its challenges... But feel like we should be the 6th best team in the world at the moment.
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Means that Brazil / Argentina / Colombia / Costa Rica / United States et al will still be ahead of them so it means they'll be in the World top 20 now (with England probably back ahead of Costa Rica)
Based on 2015 ranking points, Wales (817) are comfortably the best team of 2015, with Romania (786) second.
1. Argentina
2. Germany
3. Belgium
4. Columbia
5. Holland
6. Brazil
7. Portugal
8. Romania
9. England
10. Wales
11. Chile
12. Spain
...
17. Italy
...
29. Scotland
http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/
Blatter man didn't know his arse from his Elbow.
1. Argentina
2. Belgium
3. Germany
4. Colombia
5. Brazil
6. Portugal
7. Romania
8. England
9. Wales
10. Chile
I know it's been said many times and I know there are some calculations underpinning them before but these rankings always seem so counterintuitive.
They have managed draws with the might of Greece, Northern Ireland, Slovakia, Hungary (twice), Belarus and Albania, as well as losing to Slovenia, Turkey, Greece and Algeria...
Baffling.
Here's the latest:
FIFA RANKINGS FOR OCTOBER
1. Germany (1)
2. Brazil (2)
3. Portugal (3)
4. Argentina (4)
5. Belgium (5)
6. Poland (6)
7. France (8)
8. Spain (11)
9. Chile (9)
10. Peru (12)
11. Switzerland (7)
12. England (15)
13. Colombia (10)
14. Wales (13)
15. Italy (17)
16. Mexico (14)
17. Uruguay (16)
18. Croatia (18)
19. Denmark (26)
20. Holland (29)
Usual crap, The Netherlands have gone UP 9 places despite failing to qualify for their second successive major tournament. How does that work?
So we won't be seeded in the WC group stage, could be a blessing. I think we play better against bigger teams.
Being in the same Group as Germany or Argentina would be brilliant to watch
Have a feeling we'll end up with Russia though
I can only presume that Holland got more points Iceland because the former beat Belarus and Sweden which equal as better results than what the latter managed (i.e. they only beat Turkey and Kosovo)
1. Brazil (NC)
2. Argentina (+1)
3. France (+1)
4. Belgium (-2)
5. England (NC)
6. Netherlands (+2)
7. Croatia (+5)
8. Italy (-2)
9. Portugal (NC)
10. Spain (-3)
11. Morocco (+11)
12. Switzerland (+3)
13. USA (+3)
14. Germany (-3)
15. Mexico (-2)
16. Uruguay (-2)
17. Colombia (NC)
18. Denmark (-8)
19. Senegal (-1)
20. Japan (+4)
27. Australia (+11)
28. Wales (-9)
1. Argentina
2. Brazil
3. France
4. Netherlands
5. Portugal
6. Spain
7. Italy
8. England
9. Germany
10. Croatia
11. Belgium
12. Colombia
13. Uruguay
14. Denmark
15. Switzerland
16. Morocco
17. Peru
18. Japan
19. Ecuador
20. Serbia
Conmebol qualifying - Played 17 won 14 drew 3
France bowed out of the Euros at the same time of year, but @ the Round of 16
Senegal not in the top 20 despite winning the AFCON and making the last 16 of the world cup?
Lower rankings are harder for the teams that dont qualify etc. Plus you've got the likes of Italy who only won the Euros a year ago, so my "theory" already has its challenges... But feel like we should be the 6th best team in the world at the moment.