He's done well up there with (relatively ) a limited amount of cash , maybe a stronger chairman who doesn't just give him what he wants has stopped him wasting dough Maybe he has a decent assistant unlike the non existant one who had nothing to do with the crap that was produced by pardew at the valley Ultimately , it's what these managers do at Charlton that matters most to us and we all know some fans were looking to see Curbs fail when he left to give it the told you so but whatever these ex managers go on to achieve it won't change what they done at our club and Pardew failed with us
Interesting analysis. 99% of Charlton fans would praise our board at the time of Pardew's stewardship. 99% of Newcastle's hate Ashley. They're running a financially tight ship successfully while we were frittering cash on absolute rotters. They're doing well in the premiership while we were printing a boarding pass for the third division. Fans are mostly idiots with tittle notion of what goes on in a club.
Read an interesting article about how Lyon went from being a nothing team in the second division to CL performers and owning the French league for the thick end of a decade. Basically the key features were very focused scouting, a core of staff that would not be moving on making personnel decisions and a lot of assistance given to foreign signings to integrate them into the town. Managers came and went (and generally flopped elsewhere) but the club prospered. I wonder if British clubs shouldn't have a similar model: handing a chequebook over to a bloke who has little interest in anything other than the short term survival of his position, would seem to be stupid. I note Brentford have moved to a more continental model, so it'll be interesting to see where that takes them.
He's got them all working for one another and no 'big time charlies' to upset the applecart. From tonight's game Pardew had clearly done his homework and prepared them well against the 'Land of the Giants' that is 'up and under' Stoke. Couldn't stand to watch that brand of soccer any more now that SCP has got us playing a bit of football.
Very interesting but I'm sure Pardew would take 3 points now if you offered them to him. They are outpunching their weight imho and his main aim will be to get to the magic 40 points as soon as possible and they are already over half way there. After that everything will be a bonus.
Different jobs suit different people. Pardew is doing well at Newcastle having outed the dickheads and with his unknown French imports, shades of Wenger there. His Charlton regime was generally disasterous. I have a soft spot for the Geordies and would love to see Pardew and his team break into the famous four or five. NUFC is a club with great potential.
He's done well up there with (relatively ) a limited amount of cash , maybe a stronger chairman who doesn't just give him what he wants has stopped him wasting dough Maybe he has a decent assistant unlike the non existant one who had nothing to do with the crap that was produced by pardew at the valley Ultimately , it's what these managers do at Charlton that matters most to us and we all know some fans were looking to see Curbs fail when he left to give it the told you so but whatever these ex managers go on to achieve it won't change what they done at our club and Pardew failed with us
Interesting analysis. 99% of Charlton fans would praise our board at the time of Pardew's stewardship. 99% of Newcastle's hate Ashley. They're running a financially tight ship successfully while we were frittering cash on absolute rotters. They're doing well in the premiership while we were printing a boarding pass for the third division. Fans are mostly idiots with tittle notion of what goes on in a club.
Read an interesting article about how Lyon went from being a nothing team in the second division to CL performers and owning the French league for the thick end of a decade. Basically the key features were very focused scouting, a core of staff that would not be moving on making personnel decisions and a lot of assistance given to foreign signings to integrate them into the town. Managers came and went (and generally flopped elsewhere) but the club prospered. I wonder if British clubs shouldn't have a similar model: handing a chequebook over to a bloke who has little interest in anything other than the short term survival of his position, would seem to be stupid. I note Brentford have moved to a more continental model, so it'll be interesting to see where that takes them.
Must admit wondered if we currently modelling ourself on a version of Lyon re scouting / business strategy.
One difference is in management, CP is a manager, at Lyon the manager has less power (less impact re signings / even style of play - I understand they play a similar way irrespective of manager)
He's got them all working for one another and no 'big time charlies' to upset the applecart. From tonight's game Pardew had clearly done his homework and prepared them well against the 'Land of the Giants' that is 'up and under' Stoke. Couldn't stand to watch that brand of soccer any more now that SCP has got us playing a bit of football.
Three years ago Pardew and Parkinson were working together at the same club (unfortunately ours). Then one was sacked and replaced by the other.
Today the one who was sacked is third in the league and the one who replaced him is 89th.
I was never a Parky fan, but he tried his best. Pardew, on the other hand, ruined us. So on the grounds of justice, I wish their respective positions today were the other way around!
Pardew lost his way with us- it requires different skills when you have to let good players go and replace them with cheaper ones and he got himself in a bit of a mess but I personally think he had a handle on things until Andy Reid was sold and things went downhill from him after the purchase of Andy Gray. The team slid down the table and became unblanaced and he didn't know how too fix it. But under different circumstances, it doesn't mean he can't be effective and he has shown and is showing that he can.
No matter how effective he can be, he has a fatal flaw. His ego will be his downfall, he'll bone a players wife or piss on someone's Ferrari and it will all end in tears and a big payout.
Pardew lost his way with us- it requires different skills when you have to let good players go and replace them with cheaper ones and he got himself in a bit of a mess but I personally think he had a handle on things until Andy Reid was sold and things went downhill from him after the purchase of Andy Gray. The team slid down the table and became unblanaced and he didn't know how too fix it. But under different circumstances, it doesn't mean he can't be effective and he has shown and is showing that he can.
selling Reid is probably the single worst decision the club has made since appointing Reed
9. Murray's comments on Diawara, not needed at that time.
This has always intrigued me, I guess this refers to Murrays quote that "Diawara was the best £4m defender you have never heard of" or words to that effect?
Am I the only one or are there others whose take on this was that this was a compliment, ie "you may not have heard of him but he is an exellent player"? I thought this was what Murray meant at the time and still do today. Unless I've misunderstood or misread the quote.
On your behalf, I'll commend him for his work at West Ham.
We know that's where both our hearts are......
The only reason I'd set foot in Upton Park is to watch the mighty Charlton give the Hammers a footballing lesson, same as we do every time we play there.
Covered End said: ''I was there when Murray said it & it was an insult, based on exasperation.''
He signed the contract and I'm afraid I lost a lot of respect for him over that remark.
The chairman carries the can. He can't just say ''I'd never heard of the tosser, but I let the idiot manager spend four million of my dosh on him.''
Murray was 90 per cent good for the club. But that comment, and the stupid remarks to Jordan and the not-unrelated Dowie poach, spoil his record.
But hey, this thread is about Pardew, not Murray. And I have to say, if Pardew had never managed Charlton, I'd be revelling in his success because I loved him as a player for us...
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Read an interesting article about how Lyon went from being a nothing team in the second division to CL performers and owning the French league for the thick end of a decade. Basically the key features were very focused scouting, a core of staff that would not be moving on making personnel decisions and a lot of assistance given to foreign signings to integrate them into the town. Managers came and went (and generally flopped elsewhere) but the club prospered. I wonder if British clubs shouldn't have a similar model: handing a chequebook over to a bloke who has little interest in anything other than the short term survival of his position, would seem to be stupid. I note Brentford have moved to a more continental model, so it'll be interesting to see where that takes them.
After Everton at home this Saturday they've got: Man City (a), Man Utd (a), Chelsea (h). Lets see how they do against the big boys.
Today the one who was sacked is third in the league and the one who replaced him is 89th.
I was never a Parky fan, but he tried his best. Pardew, on the other hand, ruined us. So on the grounds of justice, I wish their respective positions today were the other way around!
Give him my regards m_l_c.
The only reason I'd set foot in Upton Park is to watch the mighty Charlton give the Hammers a footballing lesson, same as we do every time we play there.
The chairman carries the can. He can't just say ''I'd never heard of the tosser, but I let the idiot manager spend four million of my dosh on him.''
Murray was 90 per cent good for the club. But that comment, and the stupid remarks to Jordan and the not-unrelated Dowie poach, spoil his record.
But hey, this thread is about Pardew, not Murray. And I have to say, if Pardew had never managed Charlton, I'd be revelling in his success because I loved him as a player for us...
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