Ben is a top keeper and most importantly he gets on well with his fellow defenders. He's never afraid to take responsibility and his distribution is very good
As Nelson said is his book ''Left Foot Forward'' said, ''better to be a lucky player than a great player''. Has dropped a couple, flapped at a few, but not conceeded many. When you add in the couple of big deflections you have to say he is doing really well. He has also pulled off some great saves and apparently made another great one today. Let sleeping dogs lie.
At this moment I cannot think of many shut outs where I wouldn't expect a decent top half keeper to have held out to be honest, and a few games where he's got away with it. JT's right there is nothing to moan about, but calling it as I see it I see the great defensive record as attributable to the 4 heroes in front of Hamer. Football's about a bit more than gawking dumbly at stats.
He's still inexperienced and will make a few mistakes, but he's improving and we all have to start somewhere. He'll be a good player in a season or two.
Agree with that. And as i keep saying, his distribution (from the games i've seen) is absolutely top notch.
Powell was qouted as saying that he thinks Hamer's distribution is excellent and as team boss, decision maker, leader and generally nice bloke, i'm inclined to believe anything he says. 'Hamer for England', unless it would interrupt his playing for us, in which case, 'Hamer for The Isles of Scilly'.
the record speaks for itself, but we all know Hamer flaps at way too many crosses. He is certainly a good keeper and getting better, I'm not worried about him at all, but I wouldn't be that comfortable going into a championship season with Hamer and Sullivan as our 2 keepers
Hamer flaps at crosses but so does literally every other keeper in the world in the history of everything forever. Cech does it, Buffon does it, Casillas does it. Sometimes they catch and sometimes they flap and it's hilarious until it's happening to your keeper. That's why crosses are so threatening in football, because it's exceptionally difficult to gauge a cross, especially when under pressure. The important thing is that your keeper doesn't flap at EVERY cross, and Ben catches his fair share. I'm sure we all remember how after a shaky start against Hudds he was catching everything that came at him, beating Jon bloody Parkin over and over. He needs to work on his punching a bit but when your keeper's biggest issue is flapping at crosses then you're looking at a good keeper. I'd be happy with him in goal next year. Though maybe he could stop acting up so much as it makes me a little nervous..
I always have this debate with my dad and his friend when we see a game. I reckon Hamer is better than Elliot, or at the very least will be at the same stage in his career, they both don't rate Hamer in the slightest. They always focus on the crosses he misses and overlook the ones he catches. He goes for most of them, which shows confidence and leadership (and the defence clearly trusts his judgement) and even if he does miss a few, which keeper doesn't? At least he tries.
Some of you need to calm down, no need to get so angry with other people's opinions. I've said before when a ball comes into the box he doesn't fill me with confidence however that is probably my only criticism of the guy, think he has been good throughout and hopefully can progress given he is still extremely young for a keeper.
Well this seems to be quite a touchy subject as we like to get behind the whole team 100%. But can only speak as I see and he does fill me with fear on occasions when balls played into the box. Yes his other aspects are very good and it's only constructive criticism on my part. If say Solly or Wiggings missed one in five of every tackle and the boys behind had to mop up would we hold them in the high regard that we do? First to appreciate this is Div 3 and were having an exceptional season and because we are such passionate Charlton supporters we are even happy when BWP doesn't score in a hatful of games ..... But we're doing what we set out to and having a stunning season so must be a positive that can see so few negatives .....
Yet another thread on Hamer, just a week after the last one.
We have some posters on here who will ignore 90 minutes of very capable performance by Hamer, yet choose to focus on the one moment when he might have done better.
Yes, one effin moment!
People, why not focus on what he does well, for crying out loud.........????
Sorry but this guy has got to be held accountable! How many games can we allow every shot on target end up in the back of the net. That's a recipe for relegation!!! The team played well today but were undermined by Hamer. The reluctance to leave his line for the 3rd goal was nothing short of embarrassing, There must be a loanee available who could provide a more reliable last line of defence???
Why is it that there are calls for him to be dropped every time we lose?
Yet when he keeps a clean sheet it's the defence who did it. He was at fault but clearly told the defender to deal with it - and whoever it was didn't. Both at fault.
He didn't have a great game but he's young for a goalie and still better than any other options we have. People really ought to lay off him and consider it was just one of those games.
Why is it that there are calls for him to be dropped every time we lose?
Yet when he keeps a clean sheet it's the defence who did it. He was at fault but clearly told the defender to deal with it - and whoever it was didn't. Both at fault.
He didn't have a great game but he's young for a goalie and still better than any other options we have. People really ought to lay off him and consider it was just one of those games.
I said "there must be" ....followed by question marks. that not clear enough for you?
But that's the point isn't it. It's no good just claiming wistfully that there must be a better player out there. You've got to find him. And be able to afford him. And he has to want to join. Buffon on loan would do a job I'm sure, but it's not realistic. We hadn't conceded in 4 games before today, I hardly think every shot on target goes in.
Someone mentioned Butland earlier in the thread. I've been watching him for Barnsley and he doesn't look like much use to me. Hesitant coming for crosses, no distribution and not a big presence at the back. Good shot stopper but not much else. He's also prone to the comedy gaffe same as every keeper at this level
Personally don't have much confidence in him, yes we kept 4 clean sheets but I can't remember coming away saying he kept us in it. Any long range shot seems to fly past him
I think he is a big improvement on Elliott in that respect though. The consensus seems to be that Kenny had a good game but he was beaten by a long range volley... would we be as forgiving if it was Hamer?
I think the lad was close to outstanding for us in his previous 5 appearances. Hands up that he screwed up on the 3rd goal yesterday but he's no doubt got ability. Really hope his confidence isn't shot after the Leeds game.
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Dean kiely couldn't kick great was shocking at catching Charlton legend. Give it a rest
The defensive record speaks for itself.
Can't believe he is even being questioned
I don't hear the sniping at any outfield player who mis places a pass or misses a tackle
Because it would be futile
Back Ben hamer best keeper at the club
As for Hamer he's young learning all the time and an integral part of our excellent defence.
We have some posters on here who will ignore 90 minutes of very capable performance by Hamer, yet choose to focus on the one moment when he might have done better.
Yes, one effin moment!
People, why not focus on what he does well, for crying out loud.........????
There must be a loanee available who could provide a more reliable last line of defence???
Please also remember that prior to today he kept clean sheets in the last four games making some great saves in the process
He's certainly not above criticism, anyway.
Basic goalkeeping for the third goal really cost us at least a point.
Yet when he keeps a clean sheet it's the defence who did it. He was at fault but clearly told the defender to deal with it - and whoever it was didn't. Both at fault.
He didn't have a great game but he's young for a goalie and still better than any other options we have. People really ought to lay off him and consider it was just one of those games.
Someone mentioned Butland earlier in the thread. I've been watching him for Barnsley and he doesn't look like much use to me. Hesitant coming for crosses, no distribution and not a big presence at the back. Good shot stopper but not much else. He's also prone to the comedy gaffe same as every keeper at this level