What he said was vile and the man is an idiot , but prison? come on ! He showed his ignorance and stupidity but ruining the guy's life for a moment of drunkenness helps no one.
Beds....he 'says' he was drunk...but is there any proof of that? I have my doubts.
Sparrow said '...he clearly never spouted those views in 'public.' By its very nature Twitter is 'public' and for anybody that uses it to think their views are afforded any sort of privacy or censure are more dim-witted than the thoughts they tweet.
I for one am glad the prick's in prison.
Didn't word it correctly. What I meant was he would never air his views to anybodys face or in person, just merely hiding behind twitter thinking nobody would say anything.
I was going to start this thread yesterday, but knew it would end up getting sunk so didn't bother.
Me too! I wrote a paragraph and everything and just thought, "this could get messy"
Doesn't it have to though does it and so far people are discussing what is an important value in society (the right to free speech and how we put in place borders around that) in an adult way. Hopefuly that will continue.
I personally think that those advocating a community sentence, etc are missing an important part of the judical process i.e. that it needs to be seen to be done. This is a relatively new type of crime and therefore cases are both rare and newsworthy, even without factoring in the profile of it being a footballer. If we, as a society, are seen to be soft on this type of crime then where's the deterent and what's to stop the next racist moron, drunk or not, coming on here for example spouting this sort of bile with little regard for the impact of their actions?
Can't see a problem why this guys doing time , don't go on twitter if you've been drinking and don't say anything on there you wouldn't say to someone's face.
Doesn't it have to though does it and so far people are discussing what is an important value in society (the right to free speech and how we put in place borders around that) in an adult way. Hopefuly that will continue.
Yeah I think that went without saying - I only said it could... as it often has in the past... I was more concerned about starting a thread that might cause the Mods some hassle.
If this sets the trend, I can see thousands of posters on sikipedia doing time...............
That's a really fair point. There are plenty of outwardly-offensive sites available that have equally as nasty messages on them as Twitter. Maybe it takes a minor celebrity (in this instance Stan Collymore) to grab the attention.
Is being drunk a defence now, then? 'It was ABH your honour but I'm pleading drunkenness'. How on earth would anyone ever be charged with drink driving?
I don't buy the free speech angle when it is vile abuse (racist or otherwise) aimed at an individual. And especially not when it is broadcast on a public forum like Twitter. He's not making a point about society, he's not fighting for a civil right, he's broadcasting ignorant, aggressive, confrontational, racist views on a public forum for no other reason than his own kicks. He got what was coming to him.
On a more general point, if comments posted below internet news stories or YouTube videos are an insight into the state of the nation then God help us all.
How much did Diane Abbot get in prison ? How much did the muslims 'girls' who tried to kill somoene for being white in Leicester(?) get ? How much has EVERY 'Muslim Hate Cleric' in England been inprisoned got for inciting people to kill 'non believers' ?
And for the people saying it's good he's been jailed, Considering we're always told that jails are overcrowded and paedos and rapists etc walk free. Wouldn't it have been ALOT easier to get him to do some high profile anti racism work or something because I would rather have a young lad from a uni who acted a tw@t on Twitter on the streets rather than paedophiles or would be terrorists!
Is being drunk a defence now, then? 'It was ABH your honour but I'm pleading drunkenness'. How on earth would anyone ever be charged with drink driving?
This case just underlines the unclear nature of freedom of speech in modern england.
Just this week i was in a bus queue in woolwich when a bus appeared and the now normal bundle to get on started. A well spoken and dressed old white lady stated loudly "we have queued in this country for decades. Where has every ones respect gone"...Immediate response from one of the bundlers was predictable "RACIST".
I pondered all the way home on the bus was this really "RACISM"... things are becoming blurred.
As for this Liam Muppet could he have said what he did on a box at hyde park corner without prosecution? He's obviously not the brightest spark but if that's illegal we'd better starting building more prisons fast as the national IQ is in decline.
This case just underlines the unclear nature of freedom of speech in modern england.
Just this week i was in a bus queue in woolwich when a bus appeared and the now normal bundle to get on started. A well spoken and dressed old white lady stated loudly "we have queued in this country for decades. Where has every ones respect gone"...Immediate response from one of the bundlers was predictable "RACIST".
I pondered all the way home on the bus was this really "RACISM"... things are becoming blurred.
As for this Liam Muppet could he have said what he did on a box at hyde park corner without prosecution? He's obviously not the brightest spark but if that's illegal we'd better starting building more prisons fast as the national IQ is in decline.
For someone to construe what she said as racist, clearly shows they are concious of the way certain ethnic minorities may behave nowadays.
I'd have said it's more a comment about the changing culture between young & old and the world we live in...queueing is/was an English thing, not a colour thing, just look at the tubes, all colours & nationalities bundling on, now the English have had to fight fire with fire! (However, the black young & middle aged women who get on the front 4 carriages at Hither Green in the morning are VERY aggressive!)
Modern life mate. Just spent a long relaxing weekend in Devon. Got back to Paddington and within minutes of being jostled and barged out the way on the Bakerloo line to CX, I was ready to take a flame thrower to the whole tube train.
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I have my doubts.
There is a 98% chance of him being absolutely leathered from my experience.
What I really wanted to do was draw a comparison to this, and the many people getting upset about the casting of black people in The Huger Games.... if this kid gets 56 days, what's the standard level of offense caused by this lot? - http://jezebel.com/5896408/racist-hunger-games-fans-dont-care-how-much-money-the-movie-made
7 days in the slammer? A weekend?
Hang the bastard..
I personally think that those advocating a community sentence, etc are missing an important part of the judical process i.e. that it needs to be seen to be done. This is a relatively new type of crime and therefore cases are both rare and newsworthy, even without factoring in the profile of it being a footballer. If we, as a society, are seen to be soft on this type of crime then where's the deterent and what's to stop the next racist moron, drunk or not, coming on here for example spouting this sort of bile with little regard for the impact of their actions?
I don't buy the free speech angle when it is vile abuse (racist or otherwise) aimed at an individual. And especially not when it is broadcast on a public forum like Twitter. He's not making a point about society, he's not fighting for a civil right, he's broadcasting ignorant, aggressive, confrontational, racist views on a public forum for no other reason than his own kicks. He got what was coming to him.
On a more general point, if comments posted below internet news stories or YouTube videos are an insight into the state of the nation then God help us all.
How much did the muslims 'girls' who tried to kill somoene for being white in Leicester(?) get ?
How much has EVERY 'Muslim Hate Cleric' in England been inprisoned got for inciting people to kill 'non believers' ?
And for the people saying it's good he's been jailed, Considering we're always told that jails are overcrowded and paedos and rapists etc walk free. Wouldn't it have been ALOT easier to get him to do some high profile anti racism work or something because I would rather have a young lad from a uni who acted a tw@t on Twitter on the streets rather than paedophiles or would be terrorists!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070562/Muslim-girl-gang-kicked-Rhea-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html
Just this week i was in a bus queue in woolwich when a bus appeared and the now normal bundle to get on started.
A well spoken and dressed old white lady stated loudly "we have queued in this country for decades. Where has every ones respect gone"...Immediate response from one of the bundlers was predictable "RACIST".
I pondered all the way home on the bus was this really "RACISM"... things are becoming blurred.
As for this Liam Muppet could he have said what he did on a box at hyde park corner without prosecution? He's obviously not the brightest spark but if that's illegal we'd better starting building more prisons fast as the national IQ is in decline.
Free the old Woolwich ladies...
I'd have said it's more a comment about the changing culture between young & old and the world we live in...queueing is/was an English thing, not a colour thing, just look at the tubes, all colours & nationalities bundling on, now the English have had to fight fire with fire! (However, the black young & middle aged women who get on the front 4 carriages at Hither Green in the morning are VERY aggressive!)