NLA, I don't know the answer to why or what you saw. Maybe because you and your family had been in a hot place all day - heat (and dehydration) can do some pretty crazy things to your mind. Quite why you and your wife would see the same heat induced illusion I can't say (I assume you have talked and both saw exactly the same thing). The only other answer is that there was genuinely a person there and he left in the time it took you to get from the toilet back to the bedroom.
I kind of understand what you say about it being a privilege to see a ghost. Since you seem convinced that you did, does it give you comfort to know that there's something more after we die ? Did the experience make you more religious. ?
I think you've just stumbled into the answer about NLA's mystery encounter. Severe stress as a result of having to carry those huge balls about. Not to mention what it must do to his physiology having them in a pressurised cabin for about eight hours.
@se9addick - NLA said it wasnt a hot day, so heat stroke doesnt really cover it.
People seem to put a lot of trust in a system (science) that once told us the earth was flat. Even the smartest of people get things wrong from time to time.
NLA you said the man/ghost was wearing clothes but would ghosts wear clothes? Also what form did the man take? i.e just like your average human or see-through like casper. In other words did he/it look any different to someone you'd see walking down the street.
I'm not saying this is definitely the case with you but stories do tend to get exaggerated over time. Like you rushing off the toilet straight at this man/ghost, maybe there was a few seconds long enough for a bloke to scarper.
A lot of you seem like your trying to make excuses for NLA's encounter, most of them seeming like desperate attempts to not believe in ghosts, i personally don't think you can believe unless you have seen something, but once you have then it's very hard to not think anything else than they exist.
To be fair NLA did ask for people to try to explain what happened and I'd hardly call it depserate attempts to not believe in ghosts. Like you said in the next sentence unless you've seen something for yourself how can you be expected to believe?
@se9addick - NLA said it wasnt a hot day, so heat stroke doesnt really cover it.
People seem to put a lot of trust in a system (science) that once told us the earth was flat. Even the smartest of people get things wrong from time to time.
Over 2,200 years ago the Greek mathematician and astronomer Aristarchus of Samos deduced that the Earth and the planets were spheres. He worked out that they all orbited the sun and even measured their relative sizes and distances. That is the work of science. For the most part it was adopted, although I believe that some strange middle-eastern sects weren't that keen on Aristarchus' work as it didn't place the Earth at the centre of the Universe.
The notion that historically most people (and certainly scientists) thought the world was flat is quite erroneous. The first text suggesting such a thing is Washington Irving's* 1828 account of the life and times of Christopher Columbus. If anyone had seriously believed that the world was flat, it would surely have been in print well before that time! Washington's account is historically wrong even in respect of Columbus who actually believed that the Earth was pear-shaped.
The first serious description of the Earth being flat wasn't published until 1838. There was actually some science behind this and the book describes 16 experiments to "prove" the flatness of the earth. They all proved to be erroneous though. This is the great benefit of science it is not based on dogma about which facts are correct or not. What science gives us is method. So we can, if we really want to, go back to Samuel Birley Rowbotham's experiments. We can try to replicate them, we can critique them, we can learn from them, and where they are wrong we can reject them. That is the beauty of science - it is method not dogma.
So in answer to your point, one scientist told us the world was flat. That is not science telling us, that is one man; a central principle of science is replicability. The ideas of that one man have been firmly and thoroughly refuted by many many scientists ever since through their use of scientific method. It is actually those who believe (and tried to get others to believe) in mystery, superstition and gobbledegook that held on to strange notions of a non-sperical earth. Even though there's little evidence to suggest that many people actually believed them.
*Incidentally, Henry Irving named himself in honour of Washington Irving. His birth name was actually John Henry Brodribb but He took Irving as a stage name after the writer.
It was as clear an image as I can explain, it was a man who was aged between 50 and 60 years of age , he looked very much like an old negro slave like in the movies ( not racist comment just trying to explain) he was there for no more than 10 seconds , the door to leave the building was to my right , and he was to my left , I rushed out of the bathroom and he did not go past me , the other door was 30 odd foot to my left , it was French style sliding doors and they were closed as it was Pissing down,
The curtains were drawn and didn't move the door was still closed and locked as I did check , the door backed on to the swimming pool and there was no one there , not even bolt could have covered that distance in that time
My big balls vanished that day and I wish I was tripping
The best thing is I asked my wife if she saw it she said yes and described to me exactly what I saw
It has not made me religious nor was I before , I don't have an opinion on god really other than I know people take great comfort in their faith and I think it is a very personal thing religion as it can only give you what you want or need ,
For example I have visited my fathers grave twice as I don't find anything there that I want
No afterlife, no religion... what people claim to see/hear or both is just a replaying of existance that has gone before. In a certain moment or place a person or group of people can tune into this background noise that is all around us, a fleeting glimpse, echoes of history. Nothing spooky apart from our own logical interpretation of something that is of course "out of this world" of ours.
@DRF My stance is that I neither believe or disbelieve in ghosts. What has it got to do with religion or God?
Because they all come under the same banner. The banner being believing in things where no credible evidence exists to prove of their existance. If someone believes in the existance of `ghosts' then using their own rules i.e. `i'll believe any 'ol rubbish, no REAL evidence required' then they must surely believe in God and therefor religions.
It was explained that ghosts could be an image/sound imprinted in time when an energy and/or emotion has happened in that particular place, eg a lady reported seeing roman soldiers marching through her house on their knees, when she had an extension built and footings dug, remains of an old roman path was found beneath her house, and it's thought that the soldiers may have been marching into battle, thus imprinted the image on that place in time. People can pick holes in this theory, and no doubt will, but it sounds plausible to me....?
This!
Not everyone who has claimed to have witnessed "ghosts" are relgious or spiritual! They believe they have seen something and told theit story! Where are you getting believing in God from? From my quote above, there doesn't even need to be a death if this theory is correct!
You say `This!' like you've unearthed a real gem but what is `That!' exactly? It's yet more hocus pokus, fanciful yet foundationless drivel, pseudoscience nonsense. "an image/sound imprinted in time when an energy and/or emotion has happened" - I mean for gods sake, it sounds like a fantasy musing from an adult Harry Potter fan. Even for theories to be considered possible they need to be built on proven sound scientific and real world physics foundations. You can't just throw out all the universally excepted rules cos they don't fit with any 'ol madcap theory that comes along.
No afterlife, no religion... what people claim to see/hear or both is just a replaying of existance that has gone before. In a certain moment or place a person or group of people can tune into this background noise that is all around us, a fleeting glimpse, echoes of history. Nothing spooky apart from our own logical interpretation of something that is of course "out of this world" of ours.
now thats the best and most sensible answer on here
@DRF My stance is that I neither believe or disbelieve in ghosts. What has it got to do with religion or God?
Because they all come under the same banner. The banner being believing in things where no credible evidence exists to prove of their existance. If someone believes in the existance of `ghosts' then using their own rules i.e. `i'll believe any 'ol rubbish, no REAL evidence required' then they must surely believe in God and therefor religions.
It was explained that ghosts could be an image/sound imprinted in time when an energy and/or emotion has happened in that particular place, eg a lady reported seeing roman soldiers marching through her house on their knees, when she had an extension built and footings dug, remains of an old roman path was found beneath her house, and it's thought that the soldiers may have been marching into battle, thus imprinted the image on that place in time. People can pick holes in this theory, and no doubt will, but it sounds plausible to me....?
This!
Not everyone who has claimed to have witnessed "ghosts" are relgious or spiritual! They believe they have seen something and told theit story! Where are you getting believing in God from? From my quote above, there doesn't even need to be a death if this theory is correct!
You say `This!' like you've unearthed a real gem but what is `That!' exactly? It's yet more hocus pokus, fanciful yet foundationless drivel, pseudoscience nonsense. "an image/sound imprinted in time when an energy and/or emotion has happened" - I mean for gods sake, it sounds like a fantasy musing from an adult Harry Potter fan. Even for theories to be considered possible they need to be built on proven sound scientific and real world physics foundations. You can't just throw out all the universally excepted rules cos they don't fit with any 'ol madcap theory that comes along.
I don't think I've unearthed f*ck all, just putting forward a theory that I think could stand up. Try thinking outside the box lad, just for one minute! ffs
Harry Potter? No, never seen it, not my cup of tea that...
I don't believe in ghosts but at the same time I don't believe that science at any current time has all the answers, or can prove or disprove the existence of such things. Just because we are now 'technologically advanced' does not mean we can see everything. It's pretty naive to think so. The theory of relativity has been a pillar of scientific theory for how long? Now thought to be wrong. If you'd have said to a physics professor 3 years ago that there were things that could travel faster than light, he would've laughed in your face. Now?
The great thing about having a purely scientific standpoint on these things is that you're never wrong. Because you will only believe something once science proves it. The truth is that scientific advancement comes through wonder. If scientists had the same attitude as a lot of the people on this thread, we wouldn't have discovered half of what we have.
It was as clear an image as I can explain, it was a man who was aged between 50 and 60 years of age , he looked very much like an old negro slave like in the movies ( not racist comment just trying to explain) he was there for no more than 10 seconds , the door to leave the building was to my right , and he was to my left , I rushed out of the bathroom and he did not go past me , the other door was 30 odd foot to my left , it was French style sliding doors and they were closed as it was Pissing down,
The curtains were drawn and didn't move the door was still closed and locked as I did check , the door backed on to the swimming pool and there was no one there , not even bolt could have covered that distance in that time
My big balls vanished that day and I wish I was tripping
The best thing is I asked my wife if she saw it she said yes and described to me exactly what I saw
Somewhere in an alternate universe on a website called 'Charlton Death' is a 50 - 60 year old man (Who looks like Morgan Freeman from 'The Shawshank Redemption') who has started a thread based on his experiences of seeing a 30 something couple appear and disappear before his eyes as he innocently walked down some stairs. The man can't get the image of huge gonads disappearing before his eyes!
Seriously I've stated my views earlier but our eyes are easily tricked. Turn the lights off and turn on a torch and you can see dust and microbes floating in the air. For me this throws in enough doubt that objects / beings might exist but are simply outside of our visual range. That said I do not think they are dead people that have lived and died on earth (as they are the dust and microbes floating in the air).
Remember being on Footscray Meadows very late one night and seeing a smallish man with a blue glow coming of him,walking by the side of the river heading towards where it becomes a bit deeper before the Five Arches Bridge.Must have been about fourteen and we did have a carrier bag full of Royal Dutch Lager.The word on the street was its the spirit of Lord Castleraegh.I dont know but it did look strange! Especially at that age with Royal Dutch!
I had one experience with 'a ghost.' I was working late on my own in Canvey Island and was told that the building I was in was haunted by people that died in the floods. A draw kept on banging in a empty room and it was really getting on my nerves and stopping me concentrating. In the end I stormed in to the room and shouted into the empty room that if he banged that draw again I'd smash his stupid spook face in. The draw didnt bang anymore. So ghosts obviously do exist and as I'm nails, they are scared of me !
Remember being on Footscray Meadows very late one night and seeing a smallish man with a blue glow coming of him,walking by the side of the river heading towards where it becomes a bit deeper before the Five Arches Bridge.Must have been about fourteen and we did have a carrier bag full of Royal Dutch Lager.The word on the street was its the spirit of Lord Castleraegh.I dont know but it did look strange! Especially at that age with Royal Dutch!
I had one experience with 'a ghost.' I was working late on my own in Canvey Island and was told that the building I was in was haunted by people that died in the floods. A draw kept on banging in a empty room and it was really getting on my nerves and stopping me concentrating. In the end I stormed in to the room and shouted into the empty room that if he banged that draw again I'd smash his stupid spook face in. The draw didnt bang anymore. So ghosts obviously do exist and as I'm nails, they are scared of me !
You're not Paolo DiCanio are you Smudge? It's just that your story reminded me of an article about PDC where he suddenly lunged at a tank of piranhas, turned to his interviewer and said that even the scariest fish on the planet are afraid of Paolo.
You're not Paolo DiCanio are you Smudge? It's just that your story reminded me of an article about PDC where he suddenly lunged at a tank of piranhas, turned to his interviewer and said that even the scariest fish on the planet are afraid of Paolo.
Well as the story demonstrates, I do my best to start fights in empty rooms!
Remember being on Footscray Meadows very late one night and seeing a smallish man with a blue glow coming of him,walking by the side of the river heading towards where it becomes a bit deeper before the Five Arches Bridge.Must have been about fourteen and we did have a carrier bag full of Royal Dutch Lager.The word on the street was its the spirit of Lord Castleraegh.I dont know but it did look strange! Especially at that age with Royal Dutch!
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I kind of understand what you say about it being a privilege to see a ghost. Since you seem convinced that you did, does it give you comfort to know that there's something more after we die ? Did the experience make you more religious. ?
People seem to put a lot of trust in a system (science) that once told us the earth was flat. Even the smartest of people get things wrong from time to time.
I'm not saying this is definitely the case with you but stories do tend to get exaggerated over time. Like you rushing off the toilet straight at this man/ghost, maybe there was a few seconds long enough for a bloke to scarper.
The notion that historically most people (and certainly scientists) thought the world was flat is quite erroneous. The first text suggesting such a thing is Washington Irving's* 1828 account of the life and times of Christopher Columbus. If anyone had seriously believed that the world was flat, it would surely have been in print well before that time! Washington's account is historically wrong even in respect of Columbus who actually believed that the Earth was pear-shaped.
The first serious description of the Earth being flat wasn't published until 1838. There was actually some science behind this and the book describes 16 experiments to "prove" the flatness of the earth. They all proved to be erroneous though. This is the great benefit of science it is not based on dogma about which facts are correct or not. What science gives us is method. So we can, if we really want to, go back to Samuel Birley Rowbotham's experiments. We can try to replicate them, we can critique them, we can learn from them, and where they are wrong we can reject them. That is the beauty of science - it is method not dogma.
So in answer to your point, one scientist told us the world was flat. That is not science telling us, that is one man; a central principle of science is replicability. The ideas of that one man have been firmly and thoroughly refuted by many many scientists ever since through their use of scientific method. It is actually those who believe (and tried to get others to believe) in mystery, superstition and gobbledegook that held on to strange notions of a non-sperical earth. Even though there's little evidence to suggest that many people actually believed them.
*Incidentally, Henry Irving named himself in honour of Washington Irving. His birth name was actually John Henry Brodribb but He took Irving as a stage name after the writer.
The curtains were drawn and didn't move the door was still closed and locked as I did check , the door backed on to the swimming pool and there was no one there , not even bolt could have covered that distance in that time
My big balls vanished that day and I wish I was tripping
The best thing is I asked my wife if she saw it she said yes and described to me exactly what I saw
For example I have visited my fathers grave twice as I don't find anything there that I want
Even for theories to be considered possible they need to be built on proven sound scientific and real world physics foundations. You can't just throw out all the universally excepted rules cos they don't fit with any 'ol madcap theory that comes along.
now thats the best and most sensible answer on here
I don't think I've unearthed f*ck all, just putting forward a theory that I think could stand up. Try thinking outside the box lad, just for one minute! ffs
Harry Potter? No, never seen it, not my cup of tea that...
The great thing about having a purely scientific standpoint on these things is that you're never wrong. Because you will only believe something once science proves it. The truth is that scientific advancement comes through wonder. If scientists had the same attitude as a lot of the people on this thread, we wouldn't have discovered half of what we have.
Seriously I've stated my views earlier but our eyes are easily tricked. Turn the lights off and turn on a torch and you can see dust and microbes floating in the air. For me this throws in enough doubt that objects / beings might exist but are simply outside of our visual range. That said I do not think they are dead people that have lived and died on earth (as they are the dust and microbes floating in the air).
Crossover between dimensions just feels more likely for me. I think that sounds mental, but maybe tv makes it feel more real.
I was working late on my own in Canvey Island and was told that the building I was in was haunted by people that died in the floods.
A draw kept on banging in a empty room and it was really getting on my nerves and stopping me concentrating. In the end I stormed in to the room and shouted into the empty room that if he banged that draw again I'd smash his stupid spook face in.
The draw didnt bang anymore.
So ghosts obviously do exist and as I'm nails, they are scared of me !
On further investigation it was a hankie.