Lost his captaincy, a manager, and a lot of fans, all based on lies. FA are a disgrace, few players have tried more for their country in recent years. They've hounded him out, a court ruling obviously isn't quite enough for them.
Got to hand it to Rio, Anton, FA, Roberts, Crooks etc, they're the real winners at the end of the day.
In a court of law it has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt, the FA only need to prove on the balance of probabilities, if the FA feel there is a case to answer then they should pursue it.
Interested to know what the disgraceful behaviour was and if it was any worse than goading americans in a heathrow hotel the day after 9/11.
That said I would have preferred his retirement had been determined by football not "political" matters.
Personally it looks like supreme arrogance from the fa, who seem to think they have more authority than a court of law.
I know this was done to death in the previous thread ,but I suspect Terry would have been found guilty in a civil court under the burden of proof 'balance of probabilities' rather than the criminal court 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
He is clearly not innocent as he admitted using racist language and swearing at Anton Ferdinand ,the fact his lawyer was able to put an argument about the context of the remarks meant that the magistrate had no option but to find him not guilty .
This is good news and I can fully support England again.
Well he is innocent because the court said so. They accepted his story of how we was denying to Ferdinand what Ferdinand thought he had said, so you can't call him guilty. I said in another thread that Ferdinand never knew of what was supposed to have been said, until his girlfriend showed him the alleged video online.
Lost his captaincy, a manager, and a lot of fans, all based on lies. FA are a disgrace, few players have tried more for their country in recent years. They've hounded him out, a court ruling obviously isn't quite enough for them.
Got to hand it to Rio, Anton, FA, Roberts, Crooks etc, they're the real winners at the end of the day.
In a court of law it has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt, the FA only need to prove on the balance of probabilities, if the FA feel there is a case to answer then they should pursue it.
Interested to know what the disgraceful behaviour was and if it was any worse than goading americans in a heathrow hotel the day after 9/11.
That said I would have preferred his retirement had been determined by football not "political" matters.
Personally it looks like supreme arrogance from the fa, who seem to think they have more authority than a court of law.
I know this was done to death in the previous thread ,but I suspect Terry would have been found guilty in a civil court under the burden of proof 'balance of probabilities' rather than the criminal court 'beyond reasonable doubt'.
He is clearly not innocent as he admitted using racist language and swearing at Anton Ferdinand ,the fact his lawyer was able to put an argument about the context of the remarks meant that the magistrate had no option but to find him not guilty .
This is good news and I can fully support England again.
Well he is innocent because the court said so. They accepted his story of how we was denying to Ferdinand what Ferdinand thought he had said, so you can't call him guilty. I said in another thread that Ferdinand never knew of what was supposed to have been said, until his girlfriend showed him the alleged video online.
Not even Anton knows if he really said anything.
Terry was caught on video using the words f..k..g bl... c.n. . He claimed that he was saying them because Anton had misheard him when being taunted about Wayne Bridge .
This is why the Magistrate felt there was reasonable doubt and had no option but to dismiss the case because there were other players blocking the video evidence of the events that led up to him using those expletives .
A balance of probabilities judgement would I suspect find a different verdict.
England will miss him in the short term especially Poland away as he is still the best we have at the moment but at least it gives us 2 years to sort that position out for Brazil.
Personally it looks like supreme arrogance from the fa, who seem to think they have more authority than a court of law.
Nope. The court of law have found him innocent of a criminal offence. The FA aren't saying he did something illegal, they're investigating to see if he did something against their rules, that's all.
Lost his captaincy, a manager, and a lot of fans, all based on lies. FA are a disgrace, few players have tried more for their country in recent years. They've hounded him out, a court ruling obviously isn't quite enough for them.
Got to hand it to Rio, Anton, FA, Roberts, Crooks etc, they're the real winners at the end of the day.
In a court of law it has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt, the FA only need to prove on the balance of probabilities, if the FA feel there is a case to answer then they should pursue it.
Interested to know what the disgraceful behaviour was and if it was any worse than goading americans in a heathrow hotel the day after 9/11. That said I would have preferred his retirement had been determined by football not "political" matters.
This alone tells you all you need to know about this lowlife
As a football fan, I'm more interested in who's good enough to replace him. As an England player you won't find anyone as committed as JT has been over the years.
Terry is a tw@t, always has been always will be, I seriously believe if he wasn't 'JT' he would have been found guilty, and combine that with the affairs, the idiotic behavior on the pitch, and his punchable face, I think you will find many people will be glad to see the back of him
Think Lescott and Cahill/Jagielka will be decent for England so not overly worried there. He did always give his all for the national side which you cant fault. Everything else you hear makes him sound like a tool
Good, now he can concentrate on other aspects of his behaviour such as refraining from parking in disabled spots because he is too lazy to walk to TGI fridays or retire from smashing a drinks vending machine, as he did at 'Boro, because he was displaying 'passion' and dressing in his first team strip when he is banned for a terrible and unprovoked redcard challenge the previous match.
The Courts didn't find him innocent, they just couldn't prove he is guilty. Not guilty is not the same as innocent.
Everyone knows that he made a racist comment, he had admitted as much. The FA had to have an inquiry. They couldn't do it before the criminal case as the former takes precedence.
I find it a little hypercritical that the FA decided to let him play in what was going to be the last tournament he would be a significant part of the first team. I also suspect that the FA have made it known (quietly) that should he be found guilty (which is very likely) he would be banned from England games for long enough for it to cost him his place. The decision to retire now shows cowardice on the part of Terry, which comes as no surprise to me, as his behaviour is similar to that of a bully and a coward.
What I find most disturbing though, which has been mentioned above, is that Terry says that the FA's decision to hold this enquiry has made his position in the England squad untenable. Not only do I suspect that he doesn't have that word in his normal vocabulary, I would suggest that calling the brother of a former England Captain a _____ ____ was what made his position untenable. That and the fact that he is no longer good enough, relative to his peers, to have his bad behaviour overlooked by the FA.
I don't think that any of those involved come out of this looking good. Terry, obviously, the Ferdinand brothers (I believe Rio set out to have Terry dropped from the squad, thinking that he would be chosen over him if he refused to play in the same side), Capello who used it as an excuse to resign before another tournament that he knew we would fail to deliver in and the FA themselves. I know the criminal proceedings ended up with a not guilty verdict, but the FA shouldn't have allowed Terry to be involved in Euro 2012. If he was stripped of the Captaincy then they were admitting he was of questionable personal character - there is no doubt of his footballing or leadership qualities. He should either have been allowed to carry on as Captain or he should not have been in the squad. I have no real view either way, one can justify either, but to admit there is a problem with him then let him play looks like what I think it was. The FA needed him to ensure we did ok in the tournament more than they needed to make a stand against his behaviour. To call him before a panel now looks like saving face, especially now when we really don't need him as much. I seriously doubt he will be as good a player as the alternatives in 2014, and we should have few problems qualifying in the group we are in.
He gave an explanation. Whatever you think of him as a player or person, that explanation was feasible and even a court of law couldn't prove it wasn't. FA should have just put it to rest and move on and I can understand his reaction tbh.
Jumped before he was pushed I reckon. Suspect he will be found guilty by the FA this week, banned from ever playing for England & receive the same length ban as Suarez did
Jumped before he was pushed I reckon. Suspect he will be found guilty by the FA this week, banned from ever playing for England & receive the same length ban as Suarez did
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I said in another thread that Ferdinand never knew of what was supposed to have been said, until his girlfriend showed him the alleged video online.
Not even Anton knows if he really said anything.
Good player but a thoroughly dislikeable human being pleased he won't be representing my nation anymore, at least not officially.
Terry was caught on video using the words f..k..g bl... c.n. . He claimed that he was saying them because Anton had misheard him when being taunted about Wayne Bridge .
This is why the Magistrate felt there was reasonable doubt and had no option but to dismiss the case because there were other players blocking the video evidence of the events that led up to him using those expletives .
A balance of probabilities judgement would I suspect find a different verdict.
Interesting to see the FA verdict this week
Awful 'human' being.
Terry is a tw@t, always has been always will be, I seriously believe if he wasn't 'JT' he would have been found guilty, and combine that with the affairs, the idiotic behavior on the pitch, and his punchable face, I think you will find many people will be glad to see the back of him
Everyone knows that he made a racist comment, he had admitted as much. The FA had to have an inquiry. They couldn't do it before the criminal case as the former takes precedence.
I find it a little hypercritical that the FA decided to let him play in what was going to be the last tournament he would be a significant part of the first team. I also suspect that the FA have made it known (quietly) that should he be found guilty (which is very likely) he would be banned from England games for long enough for it to cost him his place. The decision to retire now shows cowardice on the part of Terry, which comes as no surprise to me, as his behaviour is similar to that of a bully and a coward.
What I find most disturbing though, which has been mentioned above, is that Terry says that the FA's decision to hold this enquiry has made his position in the England squad untenable. Not only do I suspect that he doesn't have that word in his normal vocabulary, I would suggest that calling the brother of a former England Captain a _____ ____ was what made his position untenable. That and the fact that he is no longer good enough, relative to his peers, to have his bad behaviour overlooked by the FA.
I don't think that any of those involved come out of this looking good. Terry, obviously, the Ferdinand brothers (I believe Rio set out to have Terry dropped from the squad, thinking that he would be chosen over him if he refused to play in the same side), Capello who used it as an excuse to resign before another tournament that he knew we would fail to deliver in and the FA themselves. I know the criminal proceedings ended up with a not guilty verdict, but the FA shouldn't have allowed Terry to be involved in Euro 2012. If he was stripped of the Captaincy then they were admitting he was of questionable personal character - there is no doubt of his footballing or leadership qualities. He should either have been allowed to carry on as Captain or he should not have been in the squad. I have no real view either way, one can justify either, but to admit there is a problem with him then let him play looks like what I think it was. The FA needed him to ensure we did ok in the tournament more than they needed to make a stand against his behaviour. To call him before a panel now looks like saving face, especially now when we really don't need him as much. I seriously doubt he will be as good a player as the alternatives in 2014, and we should have few problems qualifying in the group we are in.
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