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Charge to use Blackwall Tunnel

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  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,287
    buckshee said:
    Let’s have this right. It’s not the Silvertown Tunnel that’s reduced the queues it’s the fact that the tunnel is now a toll one. 
    Let have this right. Obviously a second tunnel helps reduce congestion.
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 1,287
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    golfaddick said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    golfaddick said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Still can't believe there is a charge, bit of a scandal really considering the long history of the tunnel.
    I don't mind paying a fee......we've been paying one on the Dartford crossing ever since it was built.

    What I do mind is paying more for my journey than someone going in the opposite direction. In some parts of the world that is called secreterianlism and people have fought wars over it. 
    You’ve peaked at complete nonsense here. 
    Way over the top reaction comparing a difference in tunnel journey charges to sectarianism and war. You try too hard to get attention sometimes (and yes it’s worked as people have had to reply to your ridiculous analogy). 
    So what is it then ?  What makes it right that I have to pay more at 9am to travel from Bromley to East Ham than a person in East Ham does to travel to Bromley ?

    And it has nothing to do with "peak fares that commuters have always paid" as I'm not travelling into Central London.....merely travelling from South London to East London. 
    Sometimes I winder if you are so dense light bends around you. It is to do with congestion and peak times, it doesnt have to be Central London. Can you not understand that peak times refers to when the volume of cars is at its greatest in a particular direction? What has central london got to do with anything? 😂
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 35,958
    Radostanradical said:
    golfaddick said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    golfaddick said:
    fenlandaddick said:
    Still can't believe there is a charge, bit of a scandal really considering the long history of the tunnel.
    I don't mind paying a fee......we've been paying one on the Dartford crossing ever since it was built.

    What I do mind is paying more for my journey than someone going in the opposite direction. In some parts of the world that is called secreterianlism and people have fought wars over it. 
    You’ve peaked at complete nonsense here. 
    Way over the top reaction comparing a difference in tunnel journey charges to sectarianism and war. You try too hard to get attention sometimes (and yes it’s worked as people have had to reply to your ridiculous analogy). 
    So what is it then ?  What makes it right that I have to pay more at 9am to travel from Bromley to East Ham than a person in East Ham does to travel to Bromley ?

    And it has nothing to do with "peak fares that commuters have always paid" as I'm not travelling into Central London.....merely travelling from South London to East London. 
    Sometimes I winder if you are so dense light bends around you. It is to do with congestion and peak times, it doesnt have to be Central London. Can you not understand that peak times refers to when the volume of cars is at its greatest in a particular direction? What has central london got to do with anything? 😂
    Where are all these vehicles going to from South of the river ?  With the Congestion Zone they cant all be going into Central London  ?  Are they all going through the Tunnel, along the A13 & stopping around Whitechapel  ?  And do people North of the river not travel through the Tunnel and along the A2 to Elephant & Castle ?

    Perhaps there should be a charge for using the A13 & A2 that go into London, rather than a charge to simply get you across the river.  


  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,420
    cantersaddick said:
    Yes those impacts are assessed in the various studies. The people who do this are world leaders in post implementation evaluation. They arent going to miss impacts like that. Again majority of costs carried by upper middle class households. That's not to say it doesn't matter but it does affect the affordability argument. 

    And it's clear that this is the most economically and socially efficient way to achieve a reduction in pollutants as it leaves people to make an economic choice. Change behaviour to find alternatives where possible and reduce driving into the zone whilst those who can afford to can upgrade vehicle. Of course it doesn't always need to be an upgrade. My 18 year old car is still running perfectly and compliant. Plenty of second hand petrol cars out there that are perfectly fine.

    As for the "we would have got there anyway with natural churn" argument. Actually it's found we achieved the air quality target 185 years earlier than previously expected. 

    https://www.london.gov.uk/london-meets-legal-limits-toxic-no2-pollution-first-time-almost-200-years-earlier-predicted

    BBC News - Ulez: Cleaner air for Londoners after expansion, study finds - BBC News
    No doubt these "world leaders" are the same or similar to those who were telling everybody 10 years ago that diesel cars were cleaner than petrol. Convinced governments, which is why car tax is much lower on diesel cars. 
    It's the heavy handed way that most people didn't like, and without fully considering unintended consequences. 
    eg I know of at least 2 NW kent businesses, 1 who wont quote for business in London and the other who does much less through choice. Still, this will only affect your despised middle class. 
    The point golfie makes on congestion charge is valid. Most tolls etc do at least have a pretence of fairness. This is just about revenue maximisation 

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