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Roulette machines in the bookies

I just see someone win £1500 in minutes after watching someone lose about £300. Are there people out there that know how these things work or is it completely random and lucky! I daren't get involved as it seems your credit meter turns into play money!
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  • I used to play but have stopped now, ive seen is a guy with about 8500 in the credit meter and he was doing £100 stake spins i think the maximum you can get is 496.80 on a straight number as max stake is 13.80 but i think its completely random i can tell where the balls landing once the wheel has started spinning, thats about it.
  • I think there is a system if you play in certain bookies, paddy power?? cant remember exactly

    Other then that just normal with roulette, you get the odd winner but most people do their nuts in it. Even sillier to play in vegas as i found out :) I imagine there is only the odd person who knows how to play it properly and just some people are luckier
  • I watch the Chinese blokes up town when i pop in the bookies sometimes, and they celebrate or get pissed off as soon as the ball is dropped.

  • I just see someone win £1500 in minutes after watching someone lose about £300. Are there people out there that know how these things work or is it completely random and lucky! I daren't get involved as it seems your credit meter turns into play money!

    Yes. They are called bookmakers.

    Walk away now...
  • It's not completely random. Put it this way, if I wanted to try my luck after seeing someone win 1500 I wouldn't go near that machine for the rest of the day. The only ones I'd trust to be completely random are real tables in a casino.
  • JaShea99 said:

    It's not completely random. Put it this way, if I wanted to try my luck after seeing someone win 1500 I wouldn't go near that machine for the rest of the day. The only ones I'd trust to be completely random are real tables in a casino.

    So they are set to a percentage like fruit machines? If the same bloke lost £1500, would you then have a go on that machine? I like the idea of 1 button rebets, its aggro putting all your losing chips back down in the casino ;-)
  • JaShea99 said:

    It's not completely random. Put it this way, if I wanted to try my luck after seeing someone win 1500 I wouldn't go near that machine for the rest of the day. The only ones I'd trust to be completely random are real tables in a casino.

    So they are set to a percentage like fruit machines? If the same bloke lost £1500, would you then have a go on that machine? I like the idea of 1 button rebets, its aggro putting all your losing chips back down in the casino ;-)
    There must be some sort of Betting regulation to prevent them setting to a percentage?

    The bookie already has the odds in their favour on the game, let alone using percentage payouts.
  • edited June 2013
    I heard they are all linked across the bookies in the county, so I suppose you just have to be lucky and get on at the right time.

    I once saw a bloke have about £1100 in one of these machines, I then watched a race for no longer then 2 or 3 minutes came back and he was down to about £70. I can never understand why people stick £20 after £20 in these machines, why not just go to a casino or even an online live casino, has to better better then a computer game.

    It is quite funny when you see people punching the screens and kicking the machine in anger calling the machine a f^%$£$g cheat.
  • JaShea99 said:

    It's not completely random. Put it this way, if I wanted to try my luck after seeing someone win 1500 I wouldn't go near that machine for the rest of the day.

    As someone who's worked for various bookmakers over the last 16 years (finally got out 3 months ago) and has seen many a man broken by them, I hate these machines with a passion.

    However, what you've written there is a myth.

    - The machines aren't linked.
    - One big win does not prevent any machine paying out again.


  • JaShea99 said:

    It's not completely random. Put it this way, if I wanted to try my luck after seeing someone win 1500 I wouldn't go near that machine for the rest of the day. The only ones I'd trust to be completely random are real tables in a casino.

    So they are set to a percentage like fruit machines? If the same bloke lost £1500, would you then have a go on that machine? I like the idea of 1 button rebets, its aggro putting all your losing chips back down in the casino ;-)
    That's how I understand it from info from a bookie herself yes. I agree with the casino aggro but I've been to the one in Stratford where you place your chips on a machine like in the bookies but you watch a real table. And the fact that there's 10 of you sitting round a table all betting on the same ball tells me that it can't possibly be fixed. Also you realise how rare it is for 0 to come up on a real table as well (eg 1 in 37) as opposed to on machine where it seems to pop up all the time. (Except when you cover it).
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  • I have a freind who is a roulette croupier and he tells me that you can spin the ball to land in a specific area of the wheel (some professionals can even get the number!!) If these machines are random then they may be a better option than coming across a croupier that doesnt like the look of you!!!
  • edited June 2013
    The bookies keep about £37 for every £1000 turnover per machine (over the year - there are weeks where they get their arses kicked).
  • I have a freind who is a roulette croupier and he tells me that you can spin the ball to land in a specific area of the wheel (some professionals can even get the number!!) If these machines are random then they may be a better option than coming across a croupier that doesnt like the look of you!!!

    This is very true they can aim between 3 numbers, thats the problem with playing live roulette. When i went to vegas i was going to not play it but ended up losing a little on it :) mug's game if your going to gamble poker is the one not totally luck dependent, although still a big % ;)
  • They can aim between three numbers???????

    Im not sure i believe that until i see it with my own eyes.

    They would have to be able to apply the almost exact same force on each go, at the almost exact point of where the wheel is. There seems far too much room for slight error.
  • I used to play them a bit till one day the same number came in 5 times out of 6 and I didn't back it once. Gave me the hump with them ever since.
  • They can aim between three numbers???????

    Im not sure i believe that until i see it with my own eyes.

    They would have to be able to apply the almost exact same force on each go, at the almost exact point of where the wheel is. There seems far too much room for slight error.

    Agreed, it can't be true. How can you legislate for the ball hitting one of the many diamonds around the wheel itself? It's not like the ball drops straight into the number slot. Very rarely does that happen, in fact. Sections I could believe. Individual numbers; no chance.
  • I wonder who the lionel messi of roulette spinning is. I wonder if he has a buy out clause in his contract to stop other casinos tapping him up
  • Well it seems silly, i agree and i have not witnessed it but i have heard of friends who have spoke to dealers and they then demonstrated it. This was at a specific place in vegas so i doubt every dealer can do this, but even the fact someone has been shown this shows its not random and even less in our favour then the odds give us. also hate the fact in Vegas they have 0 & 00 which reduces the chance of a win our end.

    hate the game but only played it the odd 30-40 here and there, only lost around $350 over the week on it but still didnt leave with anything everytime nor did my mate who lost $600
  • Next time i go to Vegas i will wait til the ball is spun and then quickly cover the emptier section in the hope that the dealer was aiming there. Either way, I will be expecting to lose!
  • JaShea99 said:

    It's not completely random. Put it this way, if I wanted to try my luck after seeing someone win 1500 I wouldn't go near that machine for the rest of the day.

    As someone who's worked for various bookmakers over the last 16 years (finally got out 3 months ago) and has seen many a man broken by them, I hate these machines with a passion.

    However, what you've written there is a myth.

    - The machines aren't linked.
    - One big win does not prevent any machine paying out again.


    Where did I say they were linked? I said if someone won 1500 I wouldn't go near THAT machine again. I'd try another.

    I'm not going to argue with 16 years experience but I have to say I believed it when the girl told me your chances of winning ARE dependent on the success/failure of that particular machine that day. The poster above who tells of the same number coming up 5 times in a row only furthers my belief of that.

    Obviously it depends on how people play them but I've never understood how, if a machine was only ever backed as red/black, odd/even, 1-18/19-36 all day, it would make any profit because statistically it would pay out as much as it would make. (except of course the slim chance of 0 coming up). Maybe people back 'lucky numbers' more than I anticipate.
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  • I am off to Vegas Wednesday so will make some enquiries and report back if find out anything of interest ...... assuming i still have the fare home
  • bookies .. UK's main growth industry
  • I've done okay on them in the past. Remember one particular time when I forgot to take me wallet to work a few year back and only having about 2 quid in me van ash tray, went in the bookies and walked out with about 36 quid I think after going on the roulette machine
  • edited June 2013
    JaShea99 said:

    JaShea99 said:

    It's not completely random. Put it this way, if I wanted to try my luck after seeing someone win 1500 I wouldn't go near that machine for the rest of the day.

    As someone who's worked for various bookmakers over the last 16 years (finally got out 3 months ago) and has seen many a man broken by them, I hate these machines with a passion.

    However, what you've written there is a myth.

    - The machines aren't linked.
    - One big win does not prevent any machine paying out again.


    Where did I say they were linked? I said if someone won 1500 I wouldn't go near THAT machine again. I'd try another.

    I'm not going to argue with 16 years experience but I have to say I believed it when the girl told me your chances of winning ARE dependent on the success/failure of that particular machine that day. The poster above who tells of the same number coming up 5 times in a row only furthers my belief of that.

    Obviously it depends on how people play them but I've never understood how, if a machine was only ever backed as red/black, odd/even, 1-18/19-36 all day, it would make any profit because statistically it would pay out as much as it would make. (except of course the slim chance of 0 coming up). Maybe people back 'lucky numbers' more than I anticipate.
    I only mentioned the 'linking' because it's another popular myth that has done the rounds since these machines appeared. Lots of people watch what's going on with the machines around them believing that a big win on another machine means that they are all going to stop paying.

    As for the same number coming up five times in a row, that has nothing to do with whether that machine has paid out that day or not. It can happen if the machine has paid £0 or whether it's paid £5000. It's clearly not random, but it's not dependant on a single days profit/loss - it's more long term than that.

    You get the right machine at the right time on the right day and you're laughing - it'll pay out all day. Of course the opposite is also true. I've seen a lot worse than the same number 5 times in a row..

    For those who wonder - Over a year, these machines make a profit of around 3.7% on the credit played (not the cash inserted).
  • The bookies keep about £37 for every £1000 turnover per machine (over the year - there are weeks where they get their arses kicked).

    I'd maybe say a bit more. I worked for Coral for a while and would be the one sorting it out at the end of the day. Every other day 1 of the 4 machines would usually have paid out overall, whilst the others made Coral money.

    They are evil for sure, and the extent to which some get addicted to them is ridiculous. The government don't care either as they rake in loads of tax from bookmakers' profits.

  • edited June 2013
    RedPanda said:


    They are evil for sure, and the extent to which some get addicted to them is ridiculous.

    Watching those people was depressing. I felt sorry for them one minute and angry with them the next.

    I have an occasional flutter on the horses and football, but I've never put a penny in these machines and never will. Horrendous things.

  • The Coral Machines are Global Draw, meaning if you press the button at the same time with someone playing another Coral machine you'll get the same number.
  • The Coral Machines are Global Draw, meaning if you press the button at the same time with someone playing another Coral machine you'll get the same number.

    Synchronise watches and send them bitches at Coral under!
  • I'd heard from someone high up in the industry that these machines were a real cash cow for them. So much so that they were desperate to open new shops so they could put more machines in them as I understand there is a limit to how many machines they can have in one shop.

    Have never seen the attraction in them myself. All seems a bit sad - a bit like betting on those virtual races they run in bookies when there's any more than a couple of minutes between real races.
  • edited June 2013
    Off_it said:

    I'd heard from someone high up in the industry that these machines were a real cash cow for them. So much so that they were desperate to open new shops so they could put more machines in them as I understand there is a limit to how many machines they can have in one shop.

    Have never seen the attraction in them myself. All seems a bit sad - a bit like betting on those virtual races they run in bookies when there's any more than a couple of minutes between real races.

    They certainly are a cash cow. A number of the shops in my area were only open due to the machines (four per shop). Horse Racing, Football etc. were just a sideshow.

    The 3.7% profit figure I posted earlier doesn't sound like much, but that's based on credit played - not the money that's put into the machine. You could put in a £10 note but turnover £100 as you win and lose.

    For example..

    A decent staking roulette player spins £50 twice a minute for 30 minutes - his credit will go up and down, but that is £3000 'turnover'. The profit on that (using the annual 3.7% figure) would be £111.

    That is a very simple way of explaining it and of course it would never happen as exact as that - he could win or lose a lot more than that.

    The fact is that over the year for every £1000 of credit played, the bookies make £37. That is serious coin and represents 80%+ of the annual turnover for these companies


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