Genuinely upsets me seeing these things. The issue it is so difficult to actually pinpoint (and therefore address) who's fault it is that these people have such an illness
The individual is weak The company is exploitative The government is unwilling to legislate
You can point at each one and argue that it is not that person/entity's fault. And if you can't point the finger, no one will address it.
Bastard things that need to be banned. I occasionally stick a tenner in and play a slot machine, but the roulette is a joke. The amount of times I've seen people win up to a grand come back a few minutes later and see them down to their last 50 or so. Nasty machines. Also the countless times you see people flip out and start punching, shaking kicking the things is unreal. Only a matter of time before someone loses the plot and kills someone, or severely beats someone up. No doubt it's happened already somewhere.
I went to Las Vegas for a work conference in January, with no knowledge whatsoever of how to play Roulette.
Came back, after learning whilst I was out there from colleagues and losing $200 or so (not bad for a Vegas trip really). However, I signed up to play Roulette online and found myself completely out of control with it for about a week. I would be a hundred up, and then within no time a hundred down.
I had to ban myself from the site because I could feel myself getting out of control. Horrible feeling.
Bloke stood behind me once and kept telling me what number was coming up, and he was right every time. He only knew when the wheel was spinning but wouldn't tell me how he worked it out. Anyone know?
Don't know how true it is but the high street bookies make most of their money from the slots and machines rather than old fashioned punting nowadays A very dangerous game gambling (especially if you're really headless and shit like me)
Gamblers always boast about their winnings and keep quiet about their losses. They are delusional. The machines will always pay out less than they take in - do the maths.
Ohhahh. I think there is some truth in this. I believe the regulations are that each shop is only allowed 4 machines. That may explain the close proximity of some groups of bookmakers to each other.
So far I've managed to stay away from the machines in betting shops I don't really get any satisfaction from them as it's up to the machine to decide if I win or not although in vegas I tended to play the slots more than the tables and had a lot more joy. I'm glad that I don't enjoy them as I have enough trouble with the horses doing between £30-£50 a day on them and sometimes up to £100 on a Saturday if I'm bored. It's money that I can afford to play with it doesn't mean I go without and regularly a win pays for the next day although I will admit and think maybe I do have a bit of a problem
I recently had my stag do in vegas and i can honestly say that blackjack on the machine is completely different to the table game. These machines are deffo rigged and thats why they are so bad (and so good for bookies). It is unbelieveable how many times the dealer gets 21 off of a 5 or a 6 on the machine. When it rarely happened in vegas we would say "thats vegas" - when it happens on the machines people say "f***in cheat" - but sadly they carry on playing.
the roulette games in bookies (and slots in Vegas) all have a pre determined pay out percentage - usually around 94% of 'coin in' on a particular day. The percentages should either be listed on the machine or available from the establishment.
There is no skill, and no system that can beat this. you might have a run where you win a couple of hundred but the machine will pay out less later on as it adjusts winnings to hit it set percentage.
I recently had my stag do in vegas and i can honestly say that blackjack on the machine is completely different to the table game. These machines are deffo rigged and thats why they are so bad (and so good for bookies). It is unbelieveable how many times the dealer gets 21 off of a 5 or a 6 on the machine. When it rarely happened in vegas we would say "thats vegas" - when it happens on the machines people say "f***in cheat" - but sadly they carry on playing.
I saw something on these (or one arm bandits) a while back. Thousands of iterations run in the background constantly which massively affects the odds, as the machine can win the jackpot itself making it less likely for you to. Anyway tried these roulette machines for the first time this weekend, was up to start and then lost a few quid. My mates friends were losing a fair bit, can see how easy it is to do so. The game runs so quickly, don't think I will be playing these again any time soon! Glad I lost in the end really, otherwise I would have been convinced I had mastered the system
I disagree with anyone calling for a ban on them. For most people they are a bit of fun and the thrill if you win can be great. It's like anything that could get addictive. I presume most people wouldn't call for a ban on alcohol? As far as I know there are regulations on them in terms of how many you can have in a shop of a certain size but I'm not really sure how much more can be done to discourage people who are addicted to using them continuing to do so.
the roulette games in bookies (and slots in Vegas) all have a pre determined pay out percentage - usually around 94% of 'coin in' on a particular day. The percentages should either be listed on the machine or available from the establishment.
There is no skill, and no system that can beat this. you might have a run where you win a couple of hundred but the machine will pay out less later on as it adjusts winnings to hit it set percentage.
Slots do indeed have a pre-determined percentage win and always have had. But roulette and blackjack are randon number generators and are truly random. The machines and software are tested by external verifiers and it would be in no operators interests to have 'fixed' machines - their business would disappear overnight. They operate in exactly the same way as a physical roulette wheel or 6 deck black jack shoe. In fact an electronic roulette wheel is more random than a physical wheel.
As far as I know there are regulations on them in terms of how many you can have in a shop of a certain size but I'm not really sure how much more can be done to discourage people who are addicted to using them continuing to do so.
This is the main reason why there are so many betting shops opening up.
no way are these bastards randomised,8 times out of ten ,the same number which is one away from the ones i do ,comes in,Thats not random,its taking the piss,and they are programmed to do so.
the roulette games in bookies (and slots in Vegas) all have a pre determined pay out percentage - usually around 94% of 'coin in' on a particular day. The percentages should either be listed on the machine or available from the establishment.
There is no skill, and no system that can beat this. you might have a run where you win a couple of hundred but the machine will pay out less later on as it adjusts winnings to hit it set percentage.
Slots do indeed have a pre-determined percentage win and always have had. But roulette and blackjack are randon number generators and are truly random. The machines and software are tested by external verifiers and it would be in no operators interests to have 'fixed' machines - their business would disappear overnight. They operate in exactly the same way as a physical roulette wheel or 6 deck black jack shoe. In fact an electronic roulette wheel is more random than a physical wheel.
The roulette machines still have a built in retention percentage. It is not random.
2005 Gambling Act Licensing Objective 3 - Fair and Open Gambling
An FOBT can take up to £100 per spin (every 20 seconds) compared to a £2 maximum on a slot machine in more highly taxed and heavily regulated casinos. FOBT players are not informed that the roulette result is determined before the virtual ball starts spinning or of the FOBT retention percentage. There is zero consideration of consumer protection
As far as I know there are regulations on them in terms of how many you can have in a shop of a certain size but I'm not really sure how much more can be done to discourage people who are addicted to using them continuing to do so.
This is the main reason why there are so many betting shops opening up.
Well I wouldn't say it's the main reason. But yes it is definitely a factor.
the roulette games in bookies (and slots in Vegas) all have a pre determined pay out percentage - usually around 94% of 'coin in' on a particular day. The percentages should either be listed on the machine or available from the establishment.
There is no skill, and no system that can beat this. you might have a run where you win a couple of hundred but the machine will pay out less later on as it adjusts winnings to hit it set percentage.
Slots do indeed have a pre-determined percentage win and always have had. But roulette and blackjack are randon number generators and are truly random. The machines and software are tested by external verifiers and it would be in no operators interests to have 'fixed' machines - their business would disappear overnight. They operate in exactly the same way as a physical roulette wheel or 6 deck black jack shoe. In fact an electronic roulette wheel is more random than a physical wheel.
The roulette machines still have a built in retention percentage. It is not random.
2005 Gambling Act Licensing Objective 3 - Fair and Open Gambling
An FOBT can take up to £100 per spin (every 20 seconds) compared to a £2 maximum on a slot machine in more highly taxed and heavily regulated casinos. FOBT players are not informed that the roulette result is determined before the virtual ball starts spinning or of the FOBT retention percentage. There is zero consideration of consumer protection
also, I may be wrong but aren't they linked to one another?
so if you are in W-Hill and are pumping one with £££ doing £100 spins it will take into consideration if people are taking £20/£30 out of one of W-Hills other machines?
Betting is in general a mugs game. All betting. Fun in moderation with stakes that can be afforded. Cross the line and it's misery that can and does ruin lives. Not my opinion. It's a fact.
Betting is in general a mugs game. All betting. Fun in moderation with stakes that can be afforded. Cross the line and it's misery that can and does ruin lives. Not my opinion. It's a fact.
I dont think theres many people that would disagree with you Shooters!
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The individual is weak
The company is exploitative
The government is unwilling to legislate
You can point at each one and argue that it is not that person/entity's fault. And if you can't point the finger, no one will address it.
Came back, after learning whilst I was out there from colleagues and losing $200 or so (not bad for a Vegas trip really). However, I signed up to play Roulette online and found myself completely out of control with it for about a week. I would be a hundred up, and then within no time a hundred down.
I had to ban myself from the site because I could feel myself getting out of control. Horrible feeling.
Anyway, roll on Vegas 2016.
Me and Mr betfair have a casual relationship. A really decent bit of advice I was given was 'don't gamble what you can't afford to lose'
But then where's the fun and sense of jeopardy & excitement in that.
I'm more pissed off with football accumulators. Never won on those sodding things. Always a banker that loses me my pound bet too.
@PeanutsMolloy however has paid for a holiday to turkey and for the decking at my last place
A very dangerous game gambling (especially if you're really headless and shit like me)
Just the 15 firms you've got an account with that is the problem!
There is no skill, and no system that can beat this.
you might have a run where you win a couple of hundred but the machine will pay out less later on as it adjusts winnings to hit it set percentage.
I only work off £5 once a month.
It is not random.
2005 Gambling Act Licensing Objective 3 - Fair and Open Gambling
An FOBT can take up to £100 per spin (every 20 seconds) compared to a £2 maximum on a slot machine in more highly taxed and heavily regulated casinos. FOBT players are not informed that the roulette result is determined before the virtual ball starts spinning or of the FOBT retention percentage. There is zero consideration of consumer protection
so if you are in W-Hill and are pumping one with £££ doing £100 spins it will take into consideration if people are taking £20/£30 out of one of W-Hills other machines?