What are Panesars personal issues? I know he got pissed up and had a slash somewhere but is that it? Seems a bit harsh.
Just going through a painful divorce and it's been intimated by a former England captain on the radio that the nightclub incident was the latest in a series of drink related events.
I've said it before and I say it again, with no fear of being proven wrong (unfortunately), but no way should Chris Woeful be playing for England. He was so poor in the pre games before the Champions Trophy he had to be removed from the final squad. We have picked a really unbalanced team here, compounded by losing the toss. If Kerrigan cannot step up, we will lose this.
It's typical half-cock from England, they want to play 2 spinners but then worry about batting depth. So they go for a 5th bowler who is more of a batsman that bowls. May as well have picked Bopara on that basis. 6 bats are enough. This is what happens when you take the so called consistant selection policy too far.
It's typical half-cock from England, they want to play 2 spinners but then worry about batting depth. So they go for a 5th bowler who is more of a batsman that bowls. May as well have picked Bopara on that basis. 6 bats are enough. This is what happens when you take the so called consistant selection policy too far.
I agree with 99% of this, especially the Bopara theory
Woakes and Kerrigan are getting pulled apart here by Watson
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ol Dazza .. Grimsby born you know .. they have picked Kerrigan to bowl on a seamer's wicket/batsman's paradise ... Woakes as myself and a few on here have said, is just not good enough as a bowler .. period
BUT: the series is won and there is no harm in experimenting.. UNLESS a young(ish) player's confidence is seriously damaged by the experience
I've said it before and I say it again, with no fear of being proven wrong (unfortunately), but no way should Chris Woeful be playing for England. He was so poor in the pre games before the Champions Trophy he had to be removed from the final squad. We have picked a really unbalanced team here, compounded by losing the toss. If Kerrigan cannot step up, we will lose this.
Welcome back Bollox.....from what I saw of Woakes earlier in the summer he fits into the buffet category unfortunately
This stinks of "having a look" at a couple of players and to me that is wrong and disrespectful not only to the opposition but to Test cricket too.
you can't have it both ways .. if the team is not to stagnate and 'grow old together' there must be fairly regular changes in personnel. The best time for 'changes and experimentation' is when a series is safe in the bag.
I express no opinion on Woakes' ability, or lack thereof, to make it in test cricket.
However, as I said elsewhere, he has played a lot of England Lions cricket and test cricket is the next step up. There was a vacancy for a bowling all rounder because of Bresnan's injury and Woakes, as an English Lion, is deemed next in line.
His selection is therefore reasonable in the circumstances and not disrespectful at all.
Rikki clarke would of been a better option than Woakes. Dont think he is good enough and think its a poor decision, as is the use of the second spinner. Surrey started the season playing 2 spinners but soon stopped after the pitch offered very little to the spinners (yes it was Keedy and Batty) but if the county dont play two spinners in home games why do we?
This stinks of "having a look" at a couple of players and to me that is wrong and disrespectful not only to the opposition but to Test cricket too.
you can't have it both ways .. if the team is not to stagnate and 'grow old together' there must be fairly regular changes in personnel. The best time for 'changes and experimentation' is when a series is safe in the bag.
Not against Australia, not at home in front of a sell out crowd.
I express no opinion on Woakes' ability, or lack thereof, to make it in test cricket.
However, as I said elsewhere, he has played a lot of England Lions cricket and test cricket is the next step up. There was a vacancy for a bowling all rounder because of Bresnan's injury and Woakes, as an English Lion, is deemed next in line.
His selection is therefore reasonable in the circumstances and not disrespectful at all.
Sorry Len but it's not as simple as that. It's not all like for like in cricket as it is in football. You need balance of course but you do not replace someone with someone else just because they are deemed a similar type. There was not necessarily a bowling all-rounder slot available just because Bresnan was injured. Bresnan is a very useful bat at 8 and does a good job as 3rd seamer but Woakes is nowhere near a Test 3rd seamer, not in a million years. Next in line was Tremlett, followed by Finn. We should have played Tremlett at Old Trafford. Woakes is actually carded at 6. No.6 is a specialist batsman position or for a world class all-rounder. We should have had Prior at 6, Broad 7, Swann 8, Tremlett 9, Kerrigan and Anderson. Team England are obsessed with the lower order batting and Woakes is yet another bits and pieces player not fit for Test cricket. I know very little about Kerrigan apart from good reports from Old Trafford this season. Was it really good captaincy from Cook to bring him on against a rampant Watson just days after Watson had hammered him all round the ground when he played for the Lions? The Lions??? What a load of old twaddle. Play proper cricket for proper counties in our summer. Tour by all means but get the youngsters playing the real thing at home.
Agreed, to be honest - ish. It's the test team, let people knock on the door fir a place, don't open it up and usher then through to see if they like it.
Bairstow needs some runs and is now in limbo, we should have left him in for confidence and a chance at some form. Tremlett needed a chance to see how his form is ahead if the return series on pitches where he did well last time out.
Woakes isn't good enough, I'm not a fan of a wishy washy half and half all rounder, get batsmen in to occupy the crease, and bowlers to get 20 wickets. Prior at 6 with Bresnan in, fine, but Bresnan's a proper bowler and a decent batsmen. Woakes, Clarke etc leave the attack a man down.
I express no opinion on Woakes' ability, or lack thereof, to make it in test cricket.
However, as I said elsewhere, he has played a lot of England Lions cricket and test cricket is the next step up. There was a vacancy for a bowling all rounder because of Bresnan's injury and Woakes, as an English Lion, is deemed next in line.
His selection is therefore reasonable in the circumstances and not disrespectful at all.
Len, I've just listened to Geoff Boycott's summing up of the day on TMS. Now I know you respect his opinion on cricket more than anyone else, you've stated that on here, have a listen. Basically as far as the selection and make up of the side is concerned he agrees with me. 100%. In fact I thought it was me talking at one point! Edit. You can hear Fiery on 5Live at half time in the Arsenal game later tonight.
I've only just seen the highlights. I would have bowled better SLA than Kerrigan, and I'm right armed and I'm 48 and I'm overweight and I haven't bowled in a competitive match for 18 years but believe me I'd have done better. In fact my mates 10 year old son would have been far tidier.
I think people are being very harsh on Woakes, the bloke averages 37.5 with the bat and 25 with the ball in FCC - those are excellent averages for an all-rounder and are better, in fact, than Flintoff in FCC and certainly better than Bresnan.
Of course, County Cricket is not Test cricket but those figures - compiled over 82 FCC games by a 25 year old - are very impressive and suggest he has got a lot of talent.
Kerrigan, I will grant you, looked an absolute pile of steaming shit.
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BUT: the series is won and there is no harm in experimenting.. UNLESS a young(ish) player's confidence is seriously damaged by the experience
you can't have it both ways .. if the team is not to stagnate and 'grow old together' there must be fairly regular changes in personnel. The best time for 'changes and experimentation' is when a series is safe in the bag.
Hopefully, after lunch they'll settle down and the nerves will dissipate. A good start is crucial for any new player.
However, as I said elsewhere, he has played a lot of England Lions cricket and test cricket is the next step up. There was a vacancy for a bowling all rounder because of Bresnan's injury and Woakes, as an English Lion, is deemed next in line.
His selection is therefore reasonable in the circumstances and not disrespectful at all.
AND he is .. well done Dr Watson
Woakes is actually carded at 6. No.6 is a specialist batsman position or for a world class all-rounder. We should have had Prior at 6, Broad 7, Swann 8, Tremlett 9, Kerrigan and Anderson.
Team England are obsessed with the lower order batting and Woakes is yet another bits and pieces player not fit for Test cricket.
I know very little about Kerrigan apart from good reports from Old Trafford this season. Was it really good captaincy from Cook to bring him on against a rampant Watson just days after Watson had hammered him all round the ground when he played for the Lions?
The Lions??? What a load of old twaddle. Play proper cricket for proper counties in our summer. Tour by all means but get the youngsters playing the real thing at home.
Bairstow needs some runs and is now in limbo, we should have left him in for confidence and a chance at some form. Tremlett needed a chance to see how his form is ahead if the return series on pitches where he did well last time out.
Woakes isn't good enough, I'm not a fan of a wishy washy half and half all rounder, get batsmen in to occupy the crease, and bowlers to get 20 wickets. Prior at 6 with Bresnan in, fine, but Bresnan's a proper bowler and a decent batsmen. Woakes, Clarke etc leave the attack a man down.
Woakes 12 0 47 0
Kerrigan has bowled the 2 worst spells I can ever recall from an England bowler. It's a shame, he looks terrified.
He's hardly bowled a few decent balls.
I've just listened to Geoff Boycott's summing up of the day on TMS. Now I know you respect his opinion on cricket more than anyone else, you've stated that on here, have a listen. Basically as far as the selection and make up of the side is concerned he agrees with me. 100%. In fact I thought it was me talking at one point!
Edit. You can hear Fiery on 5Live at half time in the Arsenal game later tonight.
Of course, County Cricket is not Test cricket but those figures - compiled over 82 FCC games by a 25 year old - are very impressive and suggest he has got a lot of talent.
Kerrigan, I will grant you, looked an absolute pile of steaming shit.