This was not meant as disrespectful and there were plenty of people Charlton Fans clapping in the Lower North and around the stadium. It seemed to break out around the whole Valley at the same time - a bit unfair to blames the Leeds fans!
I think this was just a bit of confusion. We often show our respect by an organised minutes applause.
That said I am a bit old fashioned and maintained the silence
I can understand clapping in remembrance of a sporting star or an entertainer, but I think it's different when remembering people who gave their lives for their country in war. Just my opinion.
Absolutely. I don't see you you can applaud the death of war heros like that. It's different, as you say, with sports stars because you can applaud the achievements they made during their lifetimes. But for the war dead, their greatest achievement was the sacrifice they gave. The emotions of sadness that they should have had to do so, gratefulness that they did and awe that they did in such great numbers are not easily mixed with clapping. Silence is far more appropriate and dignified.
Sorry Gumbo, your well intended gesture was misjudged and misguided and not welcomed by the vast majority of people in the stadium and not matched by the millions who attended memorial services the length and breadth of the Commonwealth today.
I am not wanting to dig you out but regardless of your opinion it was not approriate, as I said before at the Menin Gate they specifically ask for people not to clap for the same reasons. If I was able to fart the Marseillies and felt that a worthy tribute to the French would it be right to perform such an act at the Arc de Triomphe?
As WSS said I think, both Charlton and Leeds fans clapped, it died down once they realised it was wrong, let's just learn from it for next time.
It started in the Leeds end because some morons in there were shouting.
Are you suggesting that the majority of Leeds fans were a tad embarrassed by a few of their own, and clapped to drown them out? That's tantamount to saying not all apposing fans are morons.
Where and when was we told not to clap? Like a have said massive over reaction. Think people would be more pissed if the fallen wasn't even mentioned or remembered, obviously Leeds fans realised what was going on and reacted to drown out and show support not to disrespect. No harm was done
People should worried more about there own action then others
Where and when was we told not to clap? Like a have said massive over reaction. Think people would be more pissed if the fallen wasn't even mentioned or remembered, obviously Leeds fans realised what was going on and reacted to drown out and show support not to disrespect. No harm was done
People should worried more about there own action then others
Did you see anyone clapping at the Cenotaph this morning? Do you think todays ceremony would be enhanced by clapping? If not why did you feel it appropriate to clap yesterday? I'm not suggesting that you were being disrespectful in any way btw but that the manner used to show that respect was inappropriate and that is borne out by it not happening elsewhere.
Where and when was we told not to clap? Like a have said massive over reaction. Think people would be more pissed if the fallen wasn't even mentioned or remembered, obviously Leeds fans realised what was going on and reacted to drown out and show support not to disrespect. No harm was done
People should worried more about there own action then others
But the request was for 'silence'.
It is specifically a period of silence for remembrance, reflection, quiet contemplation and to pay repsect to those who have given the ultimate sacrifce in protecting this Country and what it stands for.
Of course I didn't see anyone clapping at the cenotaph this morning. I'm not ashamed of my action and maybe I did follow like a sheep, but I clapped in show of support and respect. I must admit I have never before clapped on Remembrance Sunday or will on Monday.
Not offended, but suprised and disappointed. I think there is nothing more emotional than 15,000 people at a sports stadium standing in silence TOGETHER
Calm down people, it is a show of support one way or the other, I actually prefer clapping as it shows a conscious approval rather than allowing conscientious objectors to hide their dirty thoughts.
We observed the traditional 2 min silence at our cup match this morning and two boys from the other team refused to stand in the circle and their dads did not want them to join in
We observed the traditional 2 min silence at our cup match this morning and two boys from the other team refused to stand in the circle and their dads did not want them to join in
They should not be allowed to play, simple really, if they don't want to respect the freedoms this country had gained front the sacrifices of soldiers, then they can either do one or stay at home and cry about the realities of this cruel world.
They should not be allowed to play, simple really, if they don't want to respect the freedoms this country had gained front the sacrifices of soldiers, then they can either do one or stay at home and cry about the realities of this cruel world.
Surely one of "freedoms this country had gained front (sic) the sacrifices of soldiers" is freedom of belief. I don't agree with those boys, but I'm thankful that people fought and died so that they could hold their beliefs without having to "do one".
They should not be allowed to play, simple really, if they don't want to respect the freedoms this country had gained front the sacrifices of soldiers, then they can either do one or stay at home and cry about the realities of this cruel world.
Oh they can play in my book, but they'd have to expect a few hefty challenges.
I paid to have felt poppies sown onto the shirts of my U11s team last year. On for 2 games and then unpicked and 'back to normal'. The boys loved it, and so did the parents. The cousin of our keeper had just lost a leg in Afgan at the time.
Had any of them refused to wear the shirt I am not sure what I would have done but the lad wouldn't have played for those 2 games.
The manager had approached us prior to the game and seemed suitably embarrsed having to do so to explain that 2 of his players use their right to freedom of thought and action to not participate in the observation
Both kids were white english boys
Yes they played and they have never observed the silence in the 6 yrs they have been in the team
It had caused issues before and that is why it was said to us and the ref before the match
The ref was unsure what to do and told the mgr he would not be stopping having the observation which was insenuated rather softly by one of their parents
It was decided that it is their right to respectfully decline to join in and to proceed as normal
Strange thing to hear and see but I spose the freedom that lives are given up for is for all to have the freedom of choice
The manager had approached us prior to the game and seemed suitably embarrsed having to do so to explain that 2 of his players use their right to freedom of thought and action to not participate in the observation
Both kids were white english boys
Yes they played and they have never observed the silence in the 6 yrs they have been in the team
It had caused issues before and that is why it was said to us and the ref before the match
The ref was unsure what to do and told the mgr he would not be stopping having the observation which was insenuated rather softly by one of their parents
It was decided that it is their right to respectfully decline to join in and to proceed as normal
Strange thing to hear and see but I spose the freedom that lives are given up for is for all to have the freedom of choice
Strange one that but each to their own
If you'd said they were muslim/black/ irish or whatever this thread would have carried on longer .
Fairplay to the normal Leeds punters trying to stop the dozey ones from making a show of them
What angered me was a clip of Sheffield Massives fans start singing and chanting their clubs' name during their minutes silence at Derby. Disrespectful bastards!
Where and when was we told not to clap? Like a have said massive over reaction. Think people would be more pissed if the fallen wasn't even mentioned or remembered, obviously Leeds fans realised what was going on and reacted to drown out and show support not to disrespect. No harm was done
People should worried more about there own action then others
But the request was for 'silence'.
It is specifically a period of silence for remembrance, reflection, quiet contemplation and to pay repsect to those who have given the ultimate sacrifce in protecting this Country and what it stands for.
We're not American for God's sake.
THIS. Unless you were too young to understand English or are deaf, then the tannoy announcement yesterday was pretty clear -BDL said that there would be a minutes SILENCE. As per an earlier post, if BDL had said to clap, cheer, sing or fart, then that would have been ok, but he asked for 1 mins SILENCE.
It started off ok but after about 5-10 seconds the Leeds fans started clapping, which was then followed a few seconds later (either out of embarrassment, ignorance or just herd mentality) by some of our fans. I'm glad the clapping stopped before the end of the 40 odd seconds (no way was it a minute & I think the ref was embarrassed too & wanted it over asap) but I do fear for the future of this country if people can't follow a request such as this without thinking they are above everyone else. I don't believe for a minute their clapping had anything to do with trying to cover up other Leeds fans making a noise - I didn't hear anything untoward in the first 5-10 seconds and just felt it was a case of "I want to clap as its what we do nowdays..." than anything else.
Spot on Golf. Started with a group of Leeds down near the front of the stand, nothing to do with anything other than complete attention-seeking. Very disappointing. Pricks!
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Some scenes from Ibrox yesterday.
http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/galleries/item/5546-gallery-ibrox-remembers
I think this was just a bit of confusion. We often show our respect by an organised minutes applause.
That said I am a bit old fashioned and maintained the silence
I am not wanting to dig you out but regardless of your opinion it was not approriate, as I said before at the Menin Gate they specifically ask for people not to clap for the same reasons. If I was able to fart the Marseillies and felt that a worthy tribute to the French would it be right to perform such an act at the Arc de Triomphe?
As WSS said I think, both Charlton and Leeds fans clapped, it died down once they realised it was wrong, let's just learn from it for next time.
It started in the Leeds end because some morons in there were shouting.
Tut tut!
People should worried more about there own action then others
Happy to do a duet with you C. I reckon we could even 'harmonise'.
It is specifically a period of silence for remembrance, reflection, quiet contemplation and to pay repsect to those who have given the ultimate sacrifce in protecting this Country and what it stands for.
We're not American for God's sake.
Was anyone offended the clapping?
Had any of them refused to wear the shirt I am not sure what I would have done but the lad wouldn't have played for those 2 games.
Both kids were white english boys
Yes they played and they have never observed the silence in the 6 yrs they have been in the team
It had caused issues before and that is why it was said to us and the ref before the match
The ref was unsure what to do and told the mgr he would not be stopping having the observation which was insenuated rather softly by one of their parents
It was decided that it is their right to respectfully decline to join in and to proceed as normal
Strange thing to hear and see but I spose the freedom that lives are given up for is for all to have the freedom of choice
If you'd said they were muslim/black/ irish or whatever this thread would have carried on longer .
Fairplay to the normal Leeds punters trying to stop the dozey ones from making a show of them
THIS. Unless you were too young to understand English or are deaf, then the tannoy announcement yesterday was pretty clear -BDL said that there would be a minutes SILENCE. As per an earlier post, if BDL had said to clap, cheer, sing or fart, then that would have been ok, but he asked for 1 mins SILENCE.
It started off ok but after about 5-10 seconds the Leeds fans started clapping, which was then followed a few seconds later (either out of embarrassment, ignorance or just herd mentality) by some of our fans. I'm glad the clapping stopped before the end of the 40 odd seconds (no way was it a minute & I think the ref was embarrassed too & wanted it over asap) but I do fear for the future of this country if people can't follow a request such as this without thinking they are above everyone else. I don't believe for a minute their clapping had anything to do with trying to cover up other Leeds fans making a noise - I didn't hear anything untoward in the first 5-10 seconds and just felt it was a case of "I want to clap as its what we do nowdays..." than anything else.