We've had this discussion before, I think. In general I'm a supporter of the Trade Union movement and was a member of Unite.(Depressingly, that useless outfit thinks I still am despite my resignation many years ago!) Crow's members and some on here think he is doing a great job. I disagree. For the actual current membership, right now, maybe, but for the future size, position and effectiveness of his Union he is being a bad servant. First, change happens, even, eventually, for a Luddite like Crow. It is pointless protesting about keeping something that no one uses. Ticket offices and their staff are a total and complete waste of resources. Oyster and the internet has made them irrelevant. Second, Crow's on-going battles with TfL mean that driverless trains will become inevitable. (They probably always were but Crow, almost single-handedly has ensured it will be sooner rather than later.) He is killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Third, Crow's "strike first negotiate second" stance is very bad indeed for London's economy.
The problem with Bobby Boy is its all the tin pot strikes etc that have gone on before years and years and years of em------------surely its a fundermental for a Union to represent its members when their jobs are on the line, in this case the RMT are right to be hard nosed-------get the best deal for those who will be going.
He is still a Marxist Smallwall scum bag who needs burning though.
Personally don't like him, as if he would give a toss. Mind you If he was not there I would worry that TFL or whoever would be given a free hand to put profit before safety. We would need someone just as bloody minded me thinks.
Agree with cascfan. He's painted tfl into a corner. Passengers don't want driverless trains, but they don't want overpaid, work shy drivers that strike at the drop of a hat. I think people will live with driverless trains to stop the nonsense from crow and crownies
Agree with cascfan. He's painted tfl into a corner. Passengers don't want driverless trains, but they don't want overpaid, work shy drivers that strike at the drop of a hat. I think people will live with driverless trains to stop the nonsense from crow and crownies
Don't think anyone with a brain WANTS to strike but when outrageous liberties are being taken it is sometimes the only option. I don't work for the railway or am a teacher so can only speak selfishly. I would hate to lose a days pay but some things are worth fighting to prevent/keep
Arthur Scargill the second, look where the miners ended up.
Yeah because of course Mr Crow is going to get the railways shut down right? Ridiculous comparison.
But he is not going to save the london underground ticket offices from closure, no matter how many stikes he calls, that was the comparison I was making.
I go back to a point I made earlier. If a Vauxhall worker goes on strike then apart from a few people getting their new cars late it is the employer that suffers from the lost production. Its a union-employer argument. In the case of Crowe, its the millions of customers that pay not the TfL management. Its the union against the people - not what unions are about, surely?
That's what I think. They regularly abuse their power over Londoners and we all have to suffer. The sooner they get driverless trains the better.
Arthur Scargill the second, look where the miners ended up.
Yeah because of course Mr Crow is going to get the railways shut down right? Ridiculous comparison.
But he is not going to save the london underground ticket offices from closure, no matter how many stikes he calls, that was the comparison I was making.
I can't speak for the The London Underground because i work for an overground railway company but what i know it that if it wasn't for the RMT and bob crow , hundreds of staff would have lost our jobs a couple of times over in the last 15 years because the franchise companies wanted to make more money at the expense of jobs and safety. That's not just conjecture that is fact.
I can see how he winds people up but his job is to look after RMT members and he has certainly done that for me and my work colleagues and we have never had to go on strike.
Don't think anyone with a brain WANTS to strike but when outrageous liberties are being taken it is sometimes the only option. I don't work for the railway or am a teacher so can only speak selfishly. I would hate to lose a days pay but some things are worth fighting to prevent/keep
Apparantly only 3% of 'tickets' are sold from a ticket office (someone correct me if I've got this wrong). Also, the staff are being re-deployed to the are outside of the office so its a strike against change rather than jobs.
Don't think anyone with a brain WANTS to strike but when outrageous liberties are being taken it is sometimes the only option. I don't work for the railway or am a teacher so can only speak selfishly. I would hate to lose a days pay but some things are worth fighting to prevent/keep
Arthur Scargill the second, look where the miners ended up.
Yeah because of course Mr Crow is going to get the railways shut down right? Ridiculous comparison.
But he is not going to save the london underground ticket offices from closure, no matter how many stikes he calls, that was the comparison I was making.
I can't speak for the The London Underground because i work for an overground railway company but what i know it that if it wasn't for the RMT and bob crow , hundreds of staff would have lost our jobs a couple of times over in the last 15 years because the franchise companies wanted to make more money at the expense of jobs and safety. That's not just conjecture that is fact.
I can see how he winds people up but his job is to look after RMT members and he has certainly done that for me and my work colleagues and we have never had to go on strike.
i expect you would feel differently if your livelyhood depended on the infrastructure we take for granted being jeopardised
I don't agree with what Boris is doing BUT around 70% of the membership either voted no to strike action or didn't vote at all. Not much of a mandate for strike action.
It's a nonsense argument, for example only 38% of Londoners voted in the 2012 mayoral elections, does that mean Boris lacks a mandate to be Mayor, because 62% didn't vote? Or did he have a bigger mandate in '08 when 46% of Londoners voted.
Rothko! That's the 2nd most disgusting post I have ever seen on here.
I don't agree with what Boris is doing BUT around 70% of the membership either voted no to strike action or didn't vote at all. Not much of a mandate for strike action.
It's a nonsense argument, for example only 38% of Londoners voted in the 2012 mayoral elections, does that mean Boris lacks a mandate to be Mayor, because 62% didn't vote? Or did he have a bigger mandate in '08 when 46% of Londoners voted.
Rothko! That's the 2nd most disgusting post I have ever seen on here.
"2nd most disgusting" - really !?
I'm intrigued to know what you found most disgusting?
I don't agree with what Boris is doing BUT around 70% of the membership either voted no to strike action or didn't vote at all. Not much of a mandate for strike action.
It's a nonsense argument, for example only 38% of Londoners voted in the 2012 mayoral elections, does that mean Boris lacks a mandate to be Mayor, because 62% didn't vote? Or did he have a bigger mandate in '08 when 46% of Londoners voted.
Rothko! That's the 2nd most disgusting post I have ever seen on here.
"2nd most disgusting" - really !?
I'm intrigued to know what you found most disgusting?
Loathsome individual. I'm a member of a union and people like BC make it easy for politicians to tar us all with the same brush. BTW Goonerhater, I very much doubt that BC is a Marxist.
Dont care for the way the man goes about things but dont think TFL for one minute give a stuff about their staff.LUL were always breaking agreements agree with the union.Most strikes are not about money but worsening of conditions and job losses. I for one am well pissed off queing up to get a ticket with a massive crowd of people and one window out of five open.
1000 jobs to go, thats 1000 jobs that people wont be doing in the future or put another 1000 people we will have to find away of paying. How about making less profit and keep people working so they pay tax, unlike a few coffee makers.
Dont care for the way the man goes about things but dont think TFL for one minute give a stuff about their staff.LUL were always breaking agreements agree with the union.Most strikes are not about money but worsening of conditions and job losses. I for one am well pissed off queing up to get a ticket with a massive crowd of people and one window out of five open.
Dont care for the way the man goes about things but dont think TFL for one minute give a stuff about their staff.LUL were always breaking agreements agree with the union.Most strikes are not about money but worsening of conditions and job losses. I for one am well pissed off queing up to get a ticket with a massive crowd of people and one window out of five open.
Agree with cascfan. He's painted tfl into a corner. Passengers don't want driverless trains, but they don't want overpaid, work shy drivers that strike at the drop of a hat. I think people will live with driverless trains to stop the nonsense from crow and crownies
1000 jobs to go, thats 1000 jobs that people wont be doing in the future or put another 1000 people we will have to find away of paying. How about making less profit and keep people working so they pay tax, unlike a few coffee makers.
But they don't have a job to do
Just like all the people who used to walk in front of cars with flags, people who used to thatch roofs, hunt whales, draw maps etc
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Spanner or no spanner - Bob Crow is ok by me.
He is still a Marxist Smallwall scum bag who needs burning though.
Mind you If he was not there I would worry that TFL or whoever would be given a free hand to put profit before safety.
We would need someone just as bloody minded me thinks.
I can see how he winds people up but his job is to look after RMT members and he has certainly done that for me and my work colleagues and we have never had to go on strike.
Terrible for London!
On a serious note though the man really is awful. The worst kind of champagne socialist.
I'm intrigued to know what you found most disgusting?
Sometimes job losses are inevitable, get over it.
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The Public
It seems to be their first recourse to threaten a strike.
BTW Goonerhater, I very much doubt that BC is a Marxist.
How about making less profit and keep people working so they pay tax, unlike a few coffee makers.
Just like all the people who used to walk in front of cars with flags, people who used to thatch roofs, hunt whales, draw maps etc