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I doubt any of us really know what his ability is like as a coach because none of us sit in on training sessions to be able to make any kind of judgement. And none of us know what kind of manager he'd be or how good he may be because he hasn't had the opportunity yet.
It seems pretty clear that JJ thinks he's ready for an opportunity at management however however there are countless assistant's probably in the same position as JJ who want a management opportunity however the football league tends to follow the same pattern of appointment, either a journeyman type manager who is established on the management merry-go-round or someone who has an affinity with the club they've been appointed to.
JJ has no track record in management yet and outside of Charlton isn't that well known really, that's not to say he couldn't interview for a job and blow them away and be offered it, just that its unlikely when you see the profile of managers appointed in the football league, especially mid season.
If you took emotion out the decision then you would think the best route for JJ to follow is continue in his role under NA and then hope to be considered when the role does come available at whatever point NA moves on, whenever that is. Taking any of the current negativity around NA out the equation the average shelf life of any manager nowadays must be what 2-3 years? You would think he had a really good shot at being our next manager given he already has his foot in the door, is known around the club internally, and would have the full support of fans.
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How on earth could you possibly know that?SELR_addicks said:
For all of Jackson's qualities on the pitch.MrLargo said:
Are you omitting Jackson's pre-Colchester and Notts County managers on purpose? i.e. his Spurs managers.SELR_addicks said:
If you want to include managers from Colchester and Notts County be my guest. Doesn't really add to the quality of his influences.Dazzler21 said:
Are you omitting Jackson's pre-Charlton managers on purpose?SELR_addicks said:Powell managers worked under: Pearson, Eriksson, Curbs, Jim Smith, Pardew.
Bowyer managers worked under: David O'Leary, Graham, Bobby Robson, Venebles, Curbs, Mcleish.
Jackson managers worked under: Powell, Riga, Peeters, Robinson, Parkinson, Slade, Bowyer, Riga.
See there's a bit of a difference?
Is it only possible to become a decent manager if you've worked under decent managers? Who are the greats that Arsene Wenger and Jurgen Klopp worked under?
The intelligence of Wenger or Klopp isn't one of those.20 -
Ah, okay. So it's only possible to be a good manager if you were born a genius or have worked under great managers. That's interesting.SELR_addicks said:
For all of Jackson's qualities on the pitch.MrLargo said:
Are you omitting Jackson's pre-Colchester and Notts County managers on purpose? i.e. his Spurs managers.SELR_addicks said:
If you want to include managers from Colchester and Notts County be my guest. Doesn't really add to the quality of his influences.Dazzler21 said:
Are you omitting Jackson's pre-Charlton managers on purpose?SELR_addicks said:Powell managers worked under: Pearson, Eriksson, Curbs, Jim Smith, Pardew.
Bowyer managers worked under: David O'Leary, Graham, Bobby Robson, Venebles, Curbs, Mcleish.
Jackson managers worked under: Powell, Riga, Peeters, Robinson, Parkinson, Slade, Bowyer, Riga.
See there's a bit of a difference?
Is it only possible to become a decent manager if you've worked under decent managers? Who are the greats that Arsene Wenger and Jurgen Klopp worked under?
The intelligence of Wenger or Klopp isn't one of those.
And apparently you've seen Jacko's Mensa scores and are therefore fully qualified to comment on his lack of intelligence.
Your arguments are about as watertight as a colander.13 -
If there were internal rumblings that Jackson could be the next Wenger, Adkins would be nowhere near the job.2
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For all those doubting his coaching/management credentials.He has a UEFA pro licence - they don’t give those away with a pipe of Pringles.I’m Jacko I trust - NADS doesn’t inspire any confidence in me playing 4-5-1 at home against a newly promoted side.3
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We don't need him to be the next Wenger. We need to get promoted to the Championship. No guarantee he'd do it but he also shouldn't be written off.SELR_addicks said:If there were internal rumblings that Jackson could be the next Wenger, Adkins would be nowhere near the job.
I want Adkins to turn it around but if he goes JJ should be seriously considered. I'd much rather he got a chance than another merry-go-round manager like Adkins. If it wasn't him for me it would have to be a young manager doing well at a L1 or L2 club.2 -
He has applied at least once. He has been considered every single time since Slade I'd imagine and every time they've decided he's not ready.Scoham said:
We don't need him to be the next Wenger. We need to get promoted to the Championship. No guarantee he'd do it but he also shouldn't be written off.SELR_addicks said:If there were internal rumblings that Jackson could be the next Wenger, Adkins would be nowhere near the job.
I want Adkins to turn it around but if he goes JJ should be seriously considered. I'd much rather he got a chance than another merry-go-round manager like Adkins. If it wasn't him for me it would have to be a young manager doing well at a L1 or L2 club.0 -
"They"SELR_addicks said:
He has applied at least once. He has been considered every single time since Slade I'd imagine and every time they've decided he's not ready.Scoham said:
We don't need him to be the next Wenger. We need to get promoted to the Championship. No guarantee he'd do it but he also shouldn't be written off.SELR_addicks said:If there were internal rumblings that Jackson could be the next Wenger, Adkins would be nowhere near the job.
I want Adkins to turn it around but if he goes JJ should be seriously considered. I'd much rather he got a chance than another merry-go-round manager like Adkins. If it wasn't him for me it would have to be a young manager doing well at a L1 or L2 club.
Meire and Duchatelet replaced Slade and then Robinson. Not being chosen by them is a positive.
Sandgaard went with experience in Adkins but Nigel has made it clear that there is pathway for coaches as well as academy players which puts Jackson and then Euell in prime position.7 -
So by that logic you can't trust the judgement made by RD/TS since Slade, Robinson and possibly Adkins were poor appointments. RD got lucky with Bowyer as he impressed while he was caretaker.SELR_addicks said:
He has applied at least once. He has been considered every single time since Slade I'd imagine and every time they've decided he's not ready.Scoham said:
We don't need him to be the next Wenger. We need to get promoted to the Championship. No guarantee he'd do it but he also shouldn't be written off.SELR_addicks said:If there were internal rumblings that Jackson could be the next Wenger, Adkins would be nowhere near the job.
I want Adkins to turn it around but if he goes JJ should be seriously considered. I'd much rather he got a chance than another merry-go-round manager like Adkins. If it wasn't him for me it would have to be a young manager doing well at a L1 or L2 club.2 -
Jackson was a very intelligent footballer, no reason to believe he wouldn't be equally as good as a Manager if not better.3
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We had a formation? I thought they just sauntered around where they felt like!Valiantphil said:For all those doubting his coaching/management credentials.He has a UEFA pro licence - they don’t give those away with a pipe of Pringles.I’m Jacko I trust - NADS doesn’t inspire any confidence in me playing 4-5-1 at home against a newly promoted side.
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Sauntering might have been more entertainingvalleynick66 said:
We had a formation? I thought they just sauntered around where they felt like!Valiantphil said:For all those doubting his coaching/management credentials.He has a UEFA pro licence - they don’t give those away with a pipe of Pringles.I’m Jacko I trust - NADS doesn’t inspire any confidence in me playing 4-5-1 at home against a newly promoted side.0 -
At more than one point it looked to me like they were trying to form a circle around the outside of the pitch with absolutely no-one anywhere near the middle. The pioneering O-formation, I'm not sure it will catch on.valleynick66 said:
We had a formation? I thought they just sauntered around where they felt like!Valiantphil said:For all those doubting his coaching/management credentials.He has a UEFA pro licence - they don’t give those away with a pipe of Pringles.I’m Jacko I trust - NADS doesn’t inspire any confidence in me playing 4-5-1 at home against a newly promoted side.2 -
Kirk and DJ were stuck on their wings and couldn't go past anyone and were poor out of possession. The midfield was surrendered to Cheltenham.
Agree that JJ or Euell should be judged when they pick the team, tactics and formation and if they get the best out of the 11 or 14 if we use all our subs.
Nigel Adkins has made a poor start even allowing for the injuries to Purrington and Inniss and not finding a way to replace the Goals of Aneke so far.0 -
I don’t think he can blame injuries . At times in the past 2-3 seasons, we’ve had whole 11s out . Inniss is a crock- we presumably knew that when he signed and even then, he’s played most of the games . Purrington might be better than Gunter , but he wouldn’t make a huge differencesoapboxsam said:Kirk and DJ were stuck on their wings and couldn't go past anyone and were poor out of possession. The midfield was surrendered to Cheltenham.
Agree that JJ or Euell should be judged when they pick the team, tactics and formation and if they get the best out of the 11 or 14 if we use all our subs.
Nigel Adkins has made a poor start even allowing for the injuries to Purrington and Inniss and not finding a way to replace the Goals of Aneke so far.0 -
Would do.for me..
Despite the hyperbole, the set up we have is not suitable for a manager like Adkins. The rhetoric is still the same.
When he was at Southampton the set up was great. I should suspect every target he wanted he more than often got and he was left to get on with it.
We are still wheeling and dealing for players. Dragging our feet/not stumping up.
I like Adkins but when he does his videos and says 'Charlton Athletic football club' I always get the the impression of a 'insert club name here£ mentality. We could be anyone to him. He doesn't know much about our history and probably doesn't care too much for it. And I get that. Why should he? He's payed to get results.
But unfortunately for him,the set up I've described above we've seen many times before. And it's usually those with an affinity for the club that can operate relatively well under it.1 -
Anyone who attempts to start a new thread about Jacko without bumping this one first should be instantly banned.3
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Isn’t it weird that Adkins didn’t bring his own coaching team with him?1
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It was the Crawley performance that made me think he’d be worth a try, perhaps initially as caretaker manager. (Yes, I know it was only Crawley).When Seed took the job he refused a contract saying they could give him one if results justified it.0
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I think it more likely that JJ et al came as part of the package, take it or leave it.se9addick said:Isn’t it weird that Adkins didn’t bring his own coaching team with him?0 -
Yep , that worked well for Murray when he forced the coaching staff on DowieLargeAddick said:
I think it more likely that JJ et al came as part of the package, take it or leave it.se9addick said:Isn’t it weird that Adkins didn’t bring his own coaching team with him?2 -
Surely the only time he realistically applied was when Bowyer left?SELR_addicks said:
He has applied at least once. He has been considered every single time since Slade I'd imagine and every time they've decided he's not ready.Scoham said:
We don't need him to be the next Wenger. We need to get promoted to the Championship. No guarantee he'd do it but he also shouldn't be written off.SELR_addicks said:If there were internal rumblings that Jackson could be the next Wenger, Adkins would be nowhere near the job.
I want Adkins to turn it around but if he goes JJ should be seriously considered. I'd much rather he got a chance than another merry-go-round manager like Adkins. If it wasn't him for me it would have to be a young manager doing well at a L1 or L2 club.
When Robinson left, he was clearly junior to Bowyer in the coaching setup, it would have been odd to skip Bowyer for him1 -
EFL appointments are a bit broader than that. You can add 2 more categoriesNotts_Addick said:
It seems pretty clear that JJ thinks he's ready for an opportunity at management however however there are countless assistant's probably in the same position as JJ who want a management opportunity however the football league tends to follow the same pattern of appointment, either a journeyman type manager who is established on the management merry-go-round or someone who has an affinity with the club they've been appointed to.
Premier League players, taking their first job - the likes of Kewell, Hasselbaink, Ince, Joey Barton, Russell Martin, Sol Campbell have all taken the reigns at smaller EFL clubs as their first job, with varying degrees of success. Indeed Bowyer to an extent fits this model, yes he was a former player of ours, but his overall playing career was as much of a selling point as where he started
Successful academy coaches at PL clubs - the likes of Liam Manning at MKD and Neil Critchley at Blackpool had no real playing career, and instead made their name in academy coaching as did Brendan Rodgers. Clubs appoint such managers because they want their teams to play in a similar style to the top sides.0 -
Yesterday, Monday 25 October 2021, Johnnie Jackson moved into second-place in the table of people who have had the shortest-ever spell as Charlton manager.
He should move into third place in the list on Sunday, when he will move past Damien Matthew, who had the role for 9 days in 2015.
Fourth place will be secured on Monday, when he will be due to go past Keith Peacock's spell in 2011.
And the next day, Tuesday, he will move to fifth place, by surpassing Kevin Nugent's 11-day spell as one of five managers Charlton employed during 2016.
Remaining in number one spot, as most time-limited tenure in the role as Manager (or "interim") (or caretaker) (or, as Katrien Meire might have wanted it "interim caretaker") is... Johnnie Jackson, from way back in March 2021.1 -
I wasn’t Jackson in and I’m not sure if I’m Jackson out. I think it would be extremely harsh to let him go after picking up 30 points from 20 games with this group.
These losses against top six sides are to be expected when you’ve got a squad filled with mediocre mid table dross. Especially when you’ve got three (now four) strikers out injured.3 -
It reminds me of the time in August when we said 'judge Adkins once the window has closed'. It did close and we looked no better.
This time it'll be 'judge Jackson when the strikers come back'. Stockley isn't going to turn this team into world-beaters. They look defeated and so does Jackson.
The new formation worked for a bit, got figured out and now Jackson doesn't know what to do next.1 -
Give it a rest. He's missing half a team.SELR_addicks said:It reminds me of the time in August when we said 'judge Adkins once the window has closed'. It did close and we looked no better.
This time it'll be 'judge Jackson when the strikers come back'. Stockley isn't going to turn this team into world-beaters. They look defeated and so does Jackson.
The new formation worked for a bit, got figured out and now Jackson doesn't know what to do next.6 -
We have to stand by Jacko, come what may, otherwise we will end up with another Adkins type.Jacko doesn’t have the squad to do anything with.Too many Watson, Gunter, Gilbey, Morgan types who won’t get us anywhere.Let’s get to 52 points and call it a day.0
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Stockley has played seven games under Jackson.SELR_addicks said:It reminds me of the time in August when we said 'judge Adkins once the window has closed'. It did close and we looked no better.
This time it'll be 'judge Jackson when the strikers come back'. Stockley isn't going to turn this team into world-beaters. They look defeated and so does Jackson.
The new formation worked for a bit, got figured out and now Jackson doesn't know what to do next.
W5 | D1 | L1
Perhaps the formation stopped working, because his main man has been unavailable...? - Jackson himself has just said that he's not lost a game when he's been able to play Washington / Stockley.
Just a shame the classic Charlton injury issues have meant they've barely played together.8
