Diego Poyet's contract situation **DieGONE - Signs for West Ham)**

drewman

I wonder if any of the people who are defending Diego (of whom I am one - don't blame him, I'd have done the same) will change their tune if he ends up signing for Palace?!

nth_london_addick

Your right carts what he has done is cnutish IMO but I just don't care enough about Poyet to let it bother me like it would've if Jonjo had done it

We ain't seen enough of Poyet to warrant any sort of affinity with him in that way

And let's be honest I think we all knew he was never going to stay

MuttleyCAFC

My anger has subdued a bit. I think some people are takers in life - somebody who is at a club for 8 years, and positively contributed for 6 months of those 8 years clearly owes the club something. Not legally but morally. You can talk about the club being unstable or what have you, but the fact is, he may not be the player he is today without Charlton. He also had the example set by others in his position to do what is right. I think it is unfair on Jenkinson and Shelvey not to be critical. Maybe he will yet do what Jenkinson did, maybe condemnation has been premature.

Many years ago a colleague had a problem at work and joined the union. When the problem was sorted out by the union they left it again! Now a perfectly legal choice of the individual but an illustration of the type of people that are out there. This was/isn't a straight choice of deciding who you play for- the option was/is still there to go and do the right thing. Jenkinson may not turn out to be as good a player as Poyet, but he will always have far more class - if Poyet does not do similar. To some people it matters - to others it doesn't - get what you can - don't give anything back. You have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror at the end of the day.

Huskaris

We are so lucky to have this academy, the products of it can be completely pivotal for us for half a season.

MuttleyCAFC

It is an academy that hard working fans put money directly into. That fact was acknowledged by DP when he won POTY but not by he's subsequent actions. As I said - some people are takers.

Stu_of_Kunming

Huskaris said:

We are so lucky to have this academy, the products of it can be completely pivotal for us for half a season.

I would imagine that the money we got from Parker/Shelvey/Jenkinson etc lasted more than half a season.

As much as it pains me that Poyet has gone, I don't understand some of the comments aimed at him, what about all the players we release after they have commited years of their life to us? If we demand every 'good' player that comes through the academy signs a contract in the name of loyalty, surely those not so 'good' players can expect the same from us?

MuttleyCAFC

But that is a fact of life - we release players who don't make it, but we do our best to help them make it. Charlton clearly do a bit better than most in that respect.

Stu_of_Kunming

Then surely it is a fact of life that some players will choose to move on.

We've signed plenty of players on free transfers in the past.

Huskaris

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Huskaris said:

We are so lucky to have this academy, the products of it can be completely pivotal for us for half a season.

I would imagine that the money we got from Parker/Shelvey/Jenkinson etc lasted more than half a season.

As much as it pains me that Poyet has gone, I don't understand some of the comments aimed at him, what about all the players we release after they have commited years of their life to us? If we demand every 'good' player that comes through the academy signs a contract in the name of loyalty, surely those not so 'good' players can expect the same from us?

We do this for simon church and he didn't even come through the academy we are so loyal! Haha.

Agree about the money we got, especially for jenkinson, the sale of which got us promoted obviously, but if your players go on a free, it defies the academy. As for the other youth players, if they aren't good enough, they aren't good enough, it is the clubs job to give that player every chance to display their potential to be assessed for if they are good enough for competitive football, and I think Charlton do that quite well

Greenie Junior

The argument about players we release is utter crap.

We invest time and money in them players, if they don't turn out to be of the quality needed then they're released. Them players are not good enough for us.

So let's flip it round, with Diego, we invested time and money into him for 8 years, we kept him and helped him recover from a pretty serious injury and gave him his debut as a professional. He's fucked the club around with this whole will he sign won't he sign bollocks. It's not like he's too good for us, as is the case with released players.

Those people who are saying 'don't understand the abuse' have you ever sung 'wanker Jermaine Defoe' ?

BigRedEvil

ct_addick said:

all of you who voted for him as POTY must be gutted !!!

I'm not, I voted for Church!

WSS

Some might say, and demonstrated by the POTY reward, he's already paid us back by saving us from relegation and saving us a few million.

I don't agree with that though.

Stu_of_Kunming

So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.

I get it now.

Henry Irving

Stu_of_Kunming said:

So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.

I get it now.

And if you've shown loyalty and worked in the offices at Charlton only to get "released" after 20 years then it's "bye Jan" and "it's life, people get made redundant all the time".

Greenie Junior

Henry Irving said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.

I get it now.

And if you've shown loyalty and worked in the offices at Charlton only to get "released" after 20 years then it's "bye Jan" and "it's life, people get made redundant all the time".

Tell me I'm wrong..

All_Thaid_Up

Poyet snr put Poyet jnr in the academy because it would give him the best chance to develop. If he had been at Chelsea it's unlikely he would have developed the way he has. Gus knew this.
Now would Chelsea sign him for 5m if he signed a contract maybe not, but signing him essentially on a free makes sense for them.

It's not right and quite frankly defeats the point of spending the money that we spend on an academy if we don't get anything close to his true value.

Henry Irving

Greenie Junior said:

Henry Irving said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.

I get it now.

And if you've shown loyalty and worked in the offices at Charlton only to get "released" after 20 years then it's "bye Jan" and "it's life, people get made redundant all the time".

Tell me I'm wrong..

You're wrong because you have missed the point.

Loyalty works both ways. If you praise the club for showing ruthless business efficiency in letting both players and office staff go when no longer required then it is hypocritical to ask other players to show loyalty when, from their perspective, their best move at the end of a contract that they have honoured is to another employer.

Gumbo

Only time will tell if he has made the right decision

People are pissed because this sums up modern day football now.

Stig

All_Thaid_Up said:

Poyet snr put Poyet jnr in the academy because it would give him the best chance to develop. If he had been at Chelsea it's unlikely he would have developed the way he has. Gus knew this.
Now would Chelsea sign him for 5m if he signed a contract maybe not, but signing him essentially on a free makes sense for them.

It's not right and quite frankly defeats the point of spending the money that we spend on an academy if we don't get anything close to his true value.

I'm not quite sure about this, but weren't the Poyets once close neighbours with someone high up in our coaching staff. If so, there may have been personal convenience or friendship issues bringing him to Charlton.

Greenie Junior

Henry Irving said:

Greenie Junior said:

Henry Irving said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.

I get it now.

And if you've shown loyalty and worked in the offices at Charlton only to get "released" after 20 years then it's "bye Jan" and "it's life, people get made redundant all the time".

Tell me I'm wrong..

You're wrong because you have missed the point.

Loyalty works both ways. If you praise the club for showing ruthless business efficiency in letting both players and office staff go when no longer required then it is hypocritical to ask other players to show loyalty when, from their perspective, their best move at the end of a contract that they have honoured is to another employer.

I've not missed the point. The office Staff being let go was part of a redundancy was it not? That doesn't mean no longer required that means cost cutting.

At the end of the day, the club invested a lot of time and money into Diego and in my opinion how he has acted has lacked any morales and class tbh.

To an extent in glad he's gone, he didn't want to be here and we don't need people with an attitude like that going into this up coming season

WSS

Redundancy means exactly "no longer required".

Greenie Junior

WSS said:

Redundancy means exactly "no longer required".

I thought in business terms it basically meant cost cutting.

Bloody hell I look a tit now

[Deleted User]

In the words of Ron Burgundy

You stay classy san skank Diego

Do one

Worse than Parker or Defoe IMO

Defoe moved with his mum off a rough estate with that money...blame the wheeler dealer not a 17 year old. What redknapp did was outrageous...6 Figures under the table.

Scotty P earnt that move by being the best midfielder in the Prem. None of you remember the Scott of McDonalds kid fame then? Was being tapped up with serious cash since he was 13....no one, especially him, was expecting Abramovich to use his money so strategically, eliminating a CL rival by paying 10M for a player he never rated. Scott has had a great career, id have him back in any capacity ... always a Valley Valiant

The new ray wilkins is a taker pure and simple. Its all hype...so egotistical except when he is on the ball. If he didnt spout so much BS, I wouldnt be so critical.

He thinks he is the pied piper of hamlin...shame he cant shape a game to his own tune.

Boring player...looked good in a rubbish team.

Its just my opinion and I will keep the abuse to a minimum.

You're a skank poyet

WSS

Greenie Junior said:

WSS said:

Redundancy means exactly "no longer required".

I thought in business terms it basically meant cost cutting.

Bloody hell I look a tit now

It can be a form of cost cutting of course, but the position is made redundant, not the person.

Greenie Junior

WSS said:

Greenie Junior said:

WSS said:

Redundancy means exactly "no longer required".

I thought in business terms it basically meant cost cutting.

Bloody hell I look a tit now

It can be a form of cost cutting of course, but the position is made redundant, not the person.

Cheers for that. Learn something new everyday

carly burn

Remember this.
Uraguayans have a habit of bringing tears of pain ,followed by tears of pi55ing yourself laughter in a very short space of time.
Good luck Diego

Valley11

Interested to know how the Shelvey and Jenkinson deals panned out, I can't remember now. Did they sign a contract extension then immediately transfer to Liverpool/Arsenal?
I'd say there's a fair amount of risk in that. What if Chelsea (or whoever is after Poyet) said - silly boy, we don't want you now cos we have to pay.

Henry Irving

Greenie Junior said:

Henry Irving said:

Greenie Junior said:

Henry Irving said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

So we can release players we believe not to be good enough, that's fine, it's life, however when a player "releases" the club they are wankers who deserve tons of abuse.

I get it now.

And if you've shown loyalty and worked in the offices at Charlton only to get "released" after 20 years then it's "bye Jan" and "it's life, people get made redundant all the time".

Tell me I'm wrong..

You're wrong because you have missed the point.

Loyalty works both ways. If you praise the club for showing ruthless business efficiency in letting both players and office staff go when no longer required then it is hypocritical to ask other players to show loyalty when, from their perspective, their best move at the end of a contract that they have honoured is to another employer.

I've not missed the point. The office Staff being let go was part of a redundancy was it not? That doesn't mean no longer required that means cost cutting.

At the end of the day, the club invested a lot of time and money into Diego and in my opinion how he has acted has lacked any morales and class tbh.

To an extent in glad he's gone, he didn't want to be here and we don't need people with an attitude like that going into this up coming season

I don't think it is always as cut and dried as "didn't want to be here". Maybe he liked it here but wanted to be somewhere else more. Maybe it was a difficult decision for him. Or maybe he got out as soon as he could and he's laughing at us all. We don't know.

What I am annoyed about is that I don't think we'll get the financial compensation I think we deserve but who is to say what is fair or not?

Do the people who got made redundant in the offices at Charlton think they got a fair financial package. I don't know them or how much they got so can't say. They may think it is a great deal or that they've been badly treated but from the Club's perspective it was the right thing to do. Just as it was for Diego.

Mundell Fleming

@Airman Brown‌

Reflecting further on your comments above, it's become clearer to me why a confident and ambitious young footballer might, justifiably be very reluctant to sign a medium term contract with any club, not just Charlton Athletic, because if he does so he immediately loses control of his future. Moreover, that's the case whatever the level he ultimately plays at, whether he makes the grade or not.

In the scenario we find ourselves in, i.e. where Diego got to play twenty first team games last season and began to look like the next Graeme Souness, he is now free to choose who to sign for. Had he signed a four year deal last summer that would not be the case. His options would be limited by Charlton's approach. Maybe Poyet senior sensed that might be a challenge were Jimenez involved?

Alternatively, had he not made his debut last season, he'd also have had more options given that he is now out of contract. This might have included moving to a smaller club so that he could get game time, but this would have been one of his choice, not simply one prepared to pay the fee Charlton were demanding or to whom we were happy to send him on loan. An extreme version of this scenario might even have included going to University and playing part-time. 

Whilst kids from a more "traditional" football background might jump at a seemingly attractive contract because it offers them and their families a form of security, it may be that for an "educated, middle class" boy, for whom money is not an immediate concern, it makes much more sense to keep options open. However things turn out, for better or for worse, your life is then your own. 

Perhaps Gus simply said to his son, "You have potential Diego, but you can never know how things will turn out, but whatever happens you need to make your own decisions. Don't sign anything. We'll decide what to do next summer". Poyet senior would not have needed to be sure his son was going to make it to give him this advice. Either way, it may have made sense.

Having seen poor old Jon Obika exploited by Tottenham and passed from pillar to post when he clearly needs to find a place to settle, at an appropriate level and of his own choosing, then were I in Gus Poyet's position, I think that's probably what I'd advise my own sons to do.

We may just have been a little unlucky here.

Just a personal reflection, that's all. 

ColinTat

As always too many people on here are ridiculously judgemental. We didn't offer him a contract, when he wasn't in the first team, we didn't offer a contract when he first got in the 11. The clear message was we're unsure. He's fully entitled to secure his best future.

Personally I think Cousins is the better footballer in the champ. He's more dynamic and explosive. Poyet can be a joy to watch, but he slows us down. That's fine when you have multiple explosive talents next to you offering counter attack from your short passes. We don't, we need dynamism. Poyet and Cousins don't work together. I'd rather see Cousins develop.

I hope we get decent money for him. Poyet choosing what's best for his career is a shame, but doesn't show a lack of class like some of the vicious talk on here.