Spoke to him a couple of times near and at the end of the season and he clearly hadn't made his mind up then , cos I asked if he would leave the Charlton circus and he spoke well and said how much he liked it here and enjoyed working under SCP initially and then under Riga He was polite , courteous ,quietly spoken and showed a professional attitude considering I was outta my nut on both occasions
Can't say I'm happy he left and I'm gutted with the fact we're not gonna get any dough from it but if we had got £3m would that make any difference to RD's plans for us?
Poyet snr put Poyet jnr in the academy because it would give him the best chance to develop. If he had been at Chelsea it's unlikely he would have developed the way he has. Gus knew this. Now would Chelsea sign him for 5m if he signed a contract maybe not, but signing him essentially on a free makes sense for them.
It's not right and quite frankly defeats the point of spending the money that we spend on an academy if we don't get anything close to his true value.
I'm not quite sure about this, but weren't the Poyets once close neighbours with someone high up in our coaching staff. If so, there may have been personal convenience or friendship issues bringing him to Charlton.
They live 2 doors up the road from our illustrious former owner, Tony Jiminez
Spoke to him a couple of times near and at the end of the season and he clearly hadn't made his mind up then , cos I asked if he would leave the Charlton circus and he spoke well and said how much he liked it here and enjoyed working under SCP initially and then under Riga He was polite , courteous ,quietly spoken and showed a professional attitude considering I was outta my nut on both occasions
Can't say I'm happy he left and I'm gutted with the fact we're not gonna get any dough from it but if we had got £3m would that make any difference to RD's plans for us?
£3m would have paid the wages of Jan in the office and many like her for the rest of their working lives.
Strange how perceptions of value differ when it comes to millionaire football players.
As always too many people on here are ridiculously judgemental. We didn't offer him a contract, when he wasn't in the first team, we didn't offer a contract when he first got in the 11. The clear message was we're unsure. He's fully entitled to secure his best future.
Personally I think Cousins is the better footballer in the champ. He's more dynamic and explosive. Poyet can be a joy to watch, but he slows us down. That's fine when you have multiple explosive talents next to you offering counter attack from your short passes. We don't, we need dynamism. Poyet and Cousins don't work together. I'd rather see Cousins develop.
I hope we get decent money for him. Poyet choosing what's best for his career is a shame, but doesn't show a lack of class like some of the vicious talk on here.
We've been trying to get him to sign a new contract since the start of the year, basically as soon as Roland came in. Jiminez owed his dad money which is why I don't think any contract was offered before then.
Henry, don't be ridiculous. You are comparing apples with ribeye steak
Of course Bury were not happy with losing him, but Pope will now be in with a really good chance of playing 40 league games in the next 12 months and in a division that is one below the top table in England if not Europe if you believe the hype.
Poyet won't. Unless a healthy spot of nepotism comes into play
I know you are trying to be rational but you cannot honestly believe what you have just said?
But Pope is only in that position after three years and seven loan spells.
I'm amazed anybody ever thought he would sign a new contract. Why would he? It shows the importance of tying these players down earlier. If we rated him it should have been last summer, not January.
So basically what we are asking is for Diego who finished his contract with us, to turn down the likes of the club he supports, arsenal, man city, possibly clubs abroad, barca etc.
Sign a big 4/5 year deal with us on champ wages. Don't do a parker and leave in january as thats bang out of order. Leave at the end of next season when who knows, we could be a league one club/champ club/prem club. Hope these big clubs come back in for him next summer just so we get a few million. Not asking for much I spose. It's only his career.
Had he signed a contract and then left six months later there would be people on here suggesting he has thrown his toys at the pram and that he was scum. And as Randy suggests, if he had signed a new contract then those offers he does have would have probably gone away and he might have never got that dream move.
As for the shite being spouted about "he thinks he is better than he is", "egotistical" etc:
1) You don't even fcuking know where he is going yet 2) Maybe, just maybe, he got an offer he couldn't refuse to a club that any player at our level would die to play for. Nothing to do with ego.
Reflecting further on your comments above, it's become clearer to me why a confident and ambitious young footballer might, justifiably be very reluctant to sign a medium term contract with any club, not just Charlton Athletic, because if he does so he immediately loses control of his future. Moreover, that's the case whatever the level he ultimately plays at, whether he makes the grade or not.
In the scenario we find ourselves in, i.e. where Diego got to play twenty first team games last season and began to look like the next Graeme Souness, he is now free to choose who to sign for. Had he signed a four year deal last summer that would not be the case. His options would be limited by Charlton's approach. Maybe Poyet senior sensed that might be a challenge were Jimenez involved?
Alternatively, had he not made his debut last season, he'd also have had more options given that he is now out of contract. This might have included moving to a smaller club so that he could get game time, but this would have been one of his choice, not simply one prepared to pay the fee Charlton were demanding or to whom we were happy to send him on loan. An extreme version of this scenario might even have included going to University and playing part-time.
Whilst kids from a more "traditional" football background might jump at a seemingly attractive contract because it offers them and their families a form of security, it may be that for an "educated, middle class" boy, for whom money is not an immediate concern, it makes much more sense to keep options open. However things turn out, for better or for worse, your life is then your own.
Perhaps Gus simply said to his son, "You have potential Diego, but you can never know how things will turn out, but whatever happens you need to make your own decisions. Don't sign anything. We'll decide what to do next summer". Poyet senior would not have needed to be sure his son was going to make it to give him this advice. Either way, it may have made sense.
Having seen poor old Jon Obika exploited by Tottenham and passed from pillar to post when he clearly needs to find a place to settle, at an appropriate level and of his own choosing, then were I in Gus Poyet's position, I think that's probably what I'd advise my own sons to do.
We may just have been a little unlucky here.
Just a personal reflection, that's all.
I think it's certainly the case that Diego's background and his father being Gus was influential on the situation, for a number of reasons, and this would always have weakened Charlton's position. However, all sorts of contingencies can be built into contracts and it wouldn't be beyond the wit of either party to craft a deal that gave Poyet opt-outs, as long as there was value in it for Charlton too.
The nearest comparison I can make is Gavin Peacock. Keith's empathy with Charlton is beyond question, but as he and I discussed in preparing his book he wouldn't have entertained Gavin coming through the ranks at The Valley because of what was going on at the club at the start of the 1980s.
I don't warm to Gus because of the way he treated Steve Brown at Brighton, but given everything that went on at Charlton last season it's hard to see people in the game in general currently regarding us as a model of good practice. More likely they talk to Powell, read what Dyer said, note Paul Hart has gone, now look at Riga and will be wary. Diego will have seen the issues with the January signings first hand and inevitably they go beyond what has been reported.
Perhaps we move on from that, but the perception of an unstable club with an intervening owner can only be changed over time. However, I don't see that any one individual is to blame for Diego leaving, including Duchatelet. It's much more complicated than that, as life usually is.
It's inevitable Poyet was going to leave if we didn't get promoted to the prem in the next 12 months, what we want is for the club to get a return on their investment. We've spent 8 years developing Diego and he leaves 6 months after making his debut. If you can't see that that stinks, then I guess we're happy being a complete walkover. No ones denying we're a selling club, but that's just it, a selling club, not a "develop players for free" club.
I've said it before and said it again, if you had some one you had trained in your company for a specialist job for 7 and a half years and 6 months after their completion of the training they go to a much larger firm, you'd be furious after investing so much into some one.
In the opinion of the fans, (not just your own opinion) you are the best player at a struggling championship club even though you played for less than half a season. The club is at best in transition, some would say starting out on an experimental path that necessarily involves nurturing then selling youth players. Why would you want to stick around so you, at 19, could be the player the team is built around? You would be attracted by playing with better players at a higher level.
There is no way Poyet will be stuck in a reserve team. surely he will get a loan. What sickens me is that I can see Chelsea paying him a small fortune then lending him to Palarse. I can hardly bear to look.
What we need to do is rally round Jordan Cousins. His body language was not great towards the end of last season and seeing Poyet whoosh past him in the pecking order and being played out of position in consequence can't have helped. Then Poyet gets POTY while Jordan, the senior player by any standards, gets YPOTY. The boy needs our love or we will end up with him fecking off too. and we don't need that because right now we wouldn't get much for him in a Scott Parker (want to leave hissy fit) situation.
But this is Charlton and there will be mugs at the first home game slagging him off won't there? All very sad.
Very disappointing obviously. I wouldn't blame either the player, the current owners or the previous owners though.
However, there is one aspect of this situation which puzzles me and I do wonder whether we've been unlucky, whether we made a major error of judgement about his ability and likely short-term development last summer or whether a very self-assured young man simply refused to be tied down.
Perhaps somebody ITK can tell us how the Club evaluated him this time last year. It's easy to suggest that the previous owners were too mean to offer him a long-term deal last summer, but I believe other young players were signed up and central midfielders Hughes and Gower were offered one year contracts using what, I'm sure, was scarce budget. The implication would seem to be that the Club's management simply didn't recognise what a gem they had.
In that's true, then depending on your perspective, we've either been unlucky or are guilty of a serious error of judgement on the footballing side. It would appear that a player who, at the beginning of the season, wasn't considered good enough to be part of the first team squad ended the season as the best player on the books. That's really quite extraordinary. Moreover, we're not talking about an exciting young player, playing out wide and with the pace and confidence only youth can deliver, offering erratic brilliance, mazy dribbles and a few spectacular goals, but a very organised footballer, who patrolled the space in front of his back four, read the game, tackled, intercepted and passed the ball with vision, awareness and with high completion.
Poyet was a mini Xavier Mascherano during the run in. How on earth did that transformation happen? How was that ability missed this time last year? Jimenez and Slater may be the devil incarnate as far as many fans are concerned, but they still injected £8.5m into the Club during the first season in the Championship and they didn't make many footballing errors. I find it hard to believe that if they had known what they had they wouldn't have paid up. It would have been in their interests to do so.
I'm puzzled, as I said, even if nobody else is. Any thoughts, anybody?
The truth of what happened a year ago might be quite simple. I suspect Jimenez and Slater were so beset by immediate financial constraints that they were unable to invest in the future. Or, they offered Poyet a deal, which he declined. I feel sure Poyet was confident of his ability and therefore his value a year ago, and had the Premier League in his sights even then.
Is our new manager classless and lacking loyalty for telling his former club to shove it as he was off regardless of him being under contract? Or is it different because, as Henry puts it, we are the shark in that situation too?
Yes he is. I wage a hefty sum that there are fans of Waasland-Beveren who are dishing out some similar abuse online and in pubs, and who can blame them? BP has treated them like shit in this move.
Let's wait and see where he ends up before slagging him off for this decision. Presumably Charlton remains one of his options, if an unlikely one. After all, if the rumours about Barcelona have any foundation he'd be a fool not to take a chance like that, and I think similar is probably true of the top 4 or 5 clubs in this country.
Of course if he ends up at Palace or Leeds he can do one.
Lets move on and forget Poyet. I have seen this sort of thing at Charlton going back years. The era that sticks in my mind is when we got relegated and all 'the star players' that activated their relegation clauses in their contracts. Anyway, we still go to The Valley even though the stars of the past don't.
It's inevitable Poyet was going to leave if we didn't get promoted to the prem in the next 12 months, what we want is for the club to get a return on their investment. We've spent 8 years developing Diego and he leaves 6 months after making his debut. If you can't see that that stinks, then I guess we're happy being a complete walkover. No ones denying we're a selling club, but that's just it, a selling club, not a "develop players for free" club.
I've said it before and said it again, if you had some one you had trained in your company for a specialist job for 7 and a half years and 6 months after their completion of the training they go to a much larger firm, you'd be furious after investing so much into some one.
Yes, I'd be furious at myself to not have the foresight to make sure they didn't leave after 6 months.
You work to earn money, Football is a Job, and essentially Poyet has taken a promotion, Cant blame him. Give me a choice between 10k and 40k and I'd take 40 everytime. Really cant blame someone for bettering themselves.
It's not the difference between 10k and 40k though - I do wish people would stop comparing the ridiculous head-in-the-clouds-planet-zork world of football with going to the office five days a week, forty eight weeks a year
They guy would have been offered about10k A WEEK. That is an extraordinary amount of money for anyone, let alone a nineteen year old. I really think a lot of you don't actually understand how much that is, and what you can buy with that. Anyone can have a fabulous lifestyle on that, even better when you are getting it for doing your hobby!
I really don't see why folk feel the need to stick up for these greedy young men?
Problem also is Poyet isnt a Charlton fan he was just using the club to give him the springboard that he needed to play for better clubs.....Onwards and upwards. Personally i am only interested in players who want to play for Charlton...good luck Diego as i am sure in a few years time people will be wandering what happened to you.
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He was polite , courteous ,quietly spoken and showed a professional attitude considering I was outta my nut on both occasions
Can't say I'm happy he left and I'm gutted with the fact we're not gonna get any dough from it but if we had got £3m would that make any difference to RD's plans for us?
Strange how perceptions of value differ when it comes to millionaire football players.
Sign a big 4/5 year deal with us on champ wages. Don't do a parker and leave in january as thats bang out of order. Leave at the end of next season when who knows, we could be a league one club/champ club/prem club. Hope these big clubs come back in for him next summer just so we get a few million. Not asking for much I spose. It's only his career.
As for the shite being spouted about "he thinks he is better than he is", "egotistical" etc:
1) You don't even fcuking know where he is going yet
2) Maybe, just maybe, he got an offer he couldn't refuse to a club that any player at our level would die to play for. Nothing to do with ego.
The nearest comparison I can make is Gavin Peacock. Keith's empathy with Charlton is beyond question, but as he and I discussed in preparing his book he wouldn't have entertained Gavin coming through the ranks at The Valley because of what was going on at the club at the start of the 1980s.
I don't warm to Gus because of the way he treated Steve Brown at Brighton, but given everything that went on at Charlton last season it's hard to see people in the game in general currently regarding us as a model of good practice. More likely they talk to Powell, read what Dyer said, note Paul Hart has gone, now look at Riga and will be wary. Diego will have seen the issues with the January signings first hand and inevitably they go beyond what has been reported.
Perhaps we move on from that, but the perception of an unstable club with an intervening owner can only be changed over time. However, I don't see that any one individual is to blame for Diego leaving, including Duchatelet. It's much more complicated than that, as life usually is.
I've said it before and said it again, if you had some one you had trained in your company for a specialist job for 7 and a half years and 6 months after their completion of the training they go to a much larger firm, you'd be furious after investing so much into some one.
There is no way Poyet will be stuck in a reserve team. surely he will get a loan. What sickens me is that I can see Chelsea paying him a small fortune then lending him to Palarse. I can hardly bear to look.
What we need to do is rally round Jordan Cousins. His body language was not great towards the end of last season and seeing Poyet whoosh past him in the pecking order and being played out of position in consequence can't have helped. Then Poyet gets POTY while Jordan, the senior player by any standards, gets YPOTY. The boy needs our love or we will end up with him fecking off too. and we don't need that because right now we wouldn't get much for him in a Scott Parker (want to leave hissy fit) situation.
But this is Charlton and there will be mugs at the first home game slagging him off won't there? All very sad.
Of course if he ends up at Palace or Leeds he can do one.
Me:
I put the blame squarely on the previous owners and on Poyet who thinks he is a world beater already.
They guy would have been offered about10k A WEEK. That is an extraordinary amount of money for anyone, let alone a nineteen year old. I really think a lot of you don't actually understand how much that is, and what you can buy with that. Anyone can have a fabulous lifestyle on that, even better when you are getting it for doing your hobby!
I really don't see why folk feel the need to stick up for these greedy young men?
19 year old Diego Poyet has played 20 games and won Player of The Year award, and was Man of The Match in the majority of games he played.
Big difference.