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Diego Poyet's contract situation **DieGONE - Signs for West Ham)**

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  • Spoke to him a couple of times near and at the end of the season and he clearly hadn't made his mind up then , cos I asked if he would leave the Charlton circus and he spoke well and said how much he liked it here and enjoyed working under SCP initially and then under Riga
    He was polite , courteous ,quietly spoken and showed a professional attitude considering I was outta my nut on both occasions

    Can't say I'm happy he left and I'm gutted with the fact we're not gonna get any dough from it but if we had got £3m would that make any difference to RD's plans for us?
  • 3m would have made a difference purely from a FFP perspective. It will be hard to comply and move forward if your assets leave for next to nothing
  • SINK - very keen to move on :(
  • Stig said:

    Poyet snr put Poyet jnr in the academy because it would give him the best chance to develop. If he had been at Chelsea it's unlikely he would have developed the way he has. Gus knew this.
    Now would Chelsea sign him for 5m if he signed a contract maybe not, but signing him essentially on a free makes sense for them.

    It's not right and quite frankly defeats the point of spending the money that we spend on an academy if we don't get anything close to his true value.

    I'm not quite sure about this, but weren't the Poyets once close neighbours with someone high up in our coaching staff. If so, there may have been personal convenience or friendship issues bringing him to Charlton.
    They live 2 doors up the road from our illustrious former owner, Tony Jiminez
  • Spoke to him a couple of times near and at the end of the season and he clearly hadn't made his mind up then , cos I asked if he would leave the Charlton circus and he spoke well and said how much he liked it here and enjoyed working under SCP initially and then under Riga
    He was polite , courteous ,quietly spoken and showed a professional attitude considering I was outta my nut on both occasions

    Can't say I'm happy he left and I'm gutted with the fact we're not gonna get any dough from it but if we had got £3m would that make any difference to RD's plans for us?

    £3m would have paid the wages of Jan in the office and many like her for the rest of their working lives.

    Strange how perceptions of value differ when it comes to millionaire football players.
  • ColinTat said:

    As always too many people on here are ridiculously judgemental. We didn't offer him a contract, when he wasn't in the first team, we didn't offer a contract when he first got in the 11. The clear message was we're unsure. He's fully entitled to secure his best future.

    Personally I think Cousins is the better footballer in the champ. He's more dynamic and explosive. Poyet can be a joy to watch, but he slows us down. That's fine when you have multiple explosive talents next to you offering counter attack from your short passes. We don't, we need dynamism. Poyet and Cousins don't work together. I'd rather see Cousins develop.

    I hope we get decent money for him. Poyet choosing what's best for his career is a shame, but doesn't show a lack of class like some of the vicious talk on here.

    We've been trying to get him to sign a new contract since the start of the year, basically as soon as Roland came in. Jiminez owed his dad money which is why I don't think any contract was offered before then.
  • Carter said:

    Henry, don't be ridiculous. You are comparing apples with ribeye steak

    Of course Bury were not happy with losing him, but Pope will now be in with a really good chance of playing 40 league games in the next 12 months and in a division that is one below the top table in England if not Europe if you believe the hype.

    Poyet won't. Unless a healthy spot of nepotism comes into play

    I know you are trying to be rational but you cannot honestly believe what you have just said?

    But Pope is only in that position after three years and seven loan spells.

  • I'm amazed anybody ever thought he would sign a new contract. Why would he? It shows the importance of tying these players down earlier. If we rated him it should have been last summer, not January.
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  • Glad you have told us what we are asking for as it doesn't bear any resemblance to what we actually have been asking for.
  • It's inevitable Poyet was going to leave if we didn't get promoted to the prem in the next 12 months, what we want is for the club to get a return on their investment. We've spent 8 years developing Diego and he leaves 6 months after making his debut. If you can't see that that stinks, then I guess we're happy being a complete walkover. No ones denying we're a selling club, but that's just it, a selling club, not a "develop players for free" club.

    I've said it before and said it again, if you had some one you had trained in your company for a specialist job for 7 and a half years and 6 months after their completion of the training they go to a much larger firm, you'd be furious after investing so much into some one.
  • In the opinion of the fans, (not just your own opinion) you are the best player at a struggling championship club even though you played for less than half a season. The club is at best in transition, some would say starting out on an experimental path that necessarily involves nurturing then selling youth players. Why would you want to stick around so you, at 19, could be the player the team is built around? You would be attracted by playing with better players at a higher level.

    There is no way Poyet will be stuck in a reserve team. surely he will get a loan. What sickens me is that I can see Chelsea paying him a small fortune then lending him to Palarse. I can hardly bear to look.

    What we need to do is rally round Jordan Cousins. His body language was not great towards the end of last season and seeing Poyet whoosh past him in the pecking order and being played out of position in consequence can't have helped. Then Poyet gets POTY while Jordan, the senior player by any standards, gets YPOTY. The boy needs our love or we will end up with him fecking off too. and we don't need that because right now we wouldn't get much for him in a Scott Parker (want to leave hissy fit) situation.

    But this is Charlton and there will be mugs at the first home game slagging him off won't there? All very sad.
  • Very disappointing obviously. I wouldn't blame either the player, the current owners or the previous owners though.

    However, there is one aspect of this situation which puzzles me and I do wonder whether we've been unlucky, whether we made a major error of judgement about his ability and likely short-term development last summer or whether a very self-assured young man simply refused to be tied down.

    Perhaps somebody ITK can tell us how the Club evaluated him this time last year. It's easy to suggest that the previous owners were too mean to offer him a long-term deal last summer, but I believe other young players were signed up and central midfielders Hughes and Gower were offered one year contracts using what, I'm sure, was scarce budget. The implication would seem to be that the Club's management simply didn't recognise what a gem they had.

    In that's true, then depending on your perspective, we've either been unlucky or are guilty of a serious error of judgement on the footballing side. It would appear that a player who, at the beginning of the season, wasn't considered good enough to be part of the first team squad ended the season as the best player on the books. That's really quite extraordinary. Moreover, we're not talking about an exciting young player, playing out wide and with the pace and confidence only youth can deliver, offering erratic brilliance, mazy dribbles and a few spectacular goals, but a very organised footballer, who patrolled the space in front of his back four, read the game, tackled, intercepted and passed the ball with vision, awareness and with high completion.

    Poyet was a mini Xavier Mascherano during the run in. How on earth did that transformation happen? How was that ability missed this time last year? Jimenez and Slater may be the devil incarnate as far as many fans are concerned, but they still injected £8.5m into the Club during the first season in the Championship and they didn't make many footballing errors. I find it hard to believe that if they had known what they had they wouldn't have paid up. It would have been in their interests to do so.

    I'm puzzled, as I said, even if nobody else is. Any thoughts, anybody?

    The truth of what happened a year ago might be quite simple. I suspect Jimenez and Slater were so beset by immediate financial constraints that they were unable to invest in the future. Or, they offered Poyet a deal, which he declined. I feel sure Poyet was confident of his ability and therefore his value a year ago, and had the Premier League in his sights even then.

  • Another good young player hoarded at a Premier League club with little or no sign of how they'll progress to playing regular football.
  • Yes, what is needed now is Cousins to show Poyet how he would have been better staying with us.
  • cafctom said:

    Is our new manager classless and lacking loyalty for telling his former club to shove it as he was off regardless of him being under contract? Or is it different because, as Henry puts it, we are the shark in that situation too?

    Yes he is. I wage a hefty sum that there are fans of Waasland-Beveren who are dishing out some similar abuse online and in pubs, and who can blame them? BP has treated them like shit in this move.

  • Let's wait and see where he ends up before slagging him off for this decision. Presumably Charlton remains one of his options, if an unlikely one. After all, if the rumours about Barcelona have any foundation he'd be a fool not to take a chance like that, and I think similar is probably true of the top 4 or 5 clubs in this country.

    Of course if he ends up at Palace or Leeds he can do one.
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  • Official Chelsea twitter has followed him this morning
  • If he goes to Chelsea that will be his career stalled before it's taken off.
  • Lets move on and forget Poyet. I have seen this sort of thing at Charlton going back years. The era that sticks in my mind is when we got relegated and all 'the star players' that activated their relegation clauses in their contracts. Anyway, we still go to The Valley even though the stars of the past don't.
  • It's inevitable Poyet was going to leave if we didn't get promoted to the prem in the next 12 months, what we want is for the club to get a return on their investment. We've spent 8 years developing Diego and he leaves 6 months after making his debut. If you can't see that that stinks, then I guess we're happy being a complete walkover. No ones denying we're a selling club, but that's just it, a selling club, not a "develop players for free" club.

    I've said it before and said it again, if you had some one you had trained in your company for a specialist job for 7 and a half years and 6 months after their completion of the training they go to a much larger firm, you'd be furious after investing so much into some one.

    Yes, I'd be furious at myself to not have the foresight to make sure they didn't leave after 6 months.
  • Why does the name John Bostock keep popping up in my head.....Hmmn
  • I am sure he was tapped up as others have and will be....just goes to show that players just want money and not play regular football.

    I put the blame squarely on the previous owners and on Poyet who thinks he is a world beater already.
  • John Bostock played four games at the age of 16 and buggered off from Palace.

    19 year old Diego Poyet has played 20 games and won Player of The Year award, and was Man of The Match in the majority of games he played.

    Big difference.
  • Problem also is Poyet isnt a Charlton fan he was just using the club to give him the springboard that he needed to play for better clubs.....Onwards and upwards. Personally i am only interested in players who want to play for Charlton...good luck Diego as i am sure in a few years time people will be wandering what happened to you.
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