Diego Poyet's contract situation **DieGONE - Signs for West Ham)**
Comments
-
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.kentaddick said:I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective15 -
Now the dust has settled , I'm pleased he's gone, he didn't want to be here, and has only used us as a stepping stone, to get to a bigger payday.
I think he was overrated,a modern day version of Ray Wiljins, I think I only saw him have about 6 half decent games at Championship level.
He was crap in the FA cup , and anyone who had locks like that is a bit too up on themselves for my liking.
Like my Murphy's ... I'm not bitter.
Now Jordan Cousins.... He's a proper footballer.3 -
I would imagine they are fairly well insured if they get a career ending injury.DamoNorthStand said:
No very few would have the chance for such a big pay jump. Buy I remember when I left the first agency I worked at about 8 years ago. They offered me an extra 17.5k which is probably less than the uplift Diego would see in one week. But it meant I could afford the flat I wanted. It is my life and I wanted to do the best I could. Footballers could break a leg and their career could be over tomorrow. Make hay while you can I say.Carter said:
None of us are in that situation, and this argument is ridiculous, I mean absolutely no offence to you but this simply does not apply to anyone other than a tiny few. Diego could have bucked the trend like Jonjo did and. For me he is in the same twat category as Defoe and Parker now.DamoNorthStand said:
So if you had a chance to double or triple your pay, potentially changing your life, would stay with you current employee out of loyalty?!?tangoflash said:
Wouldn't want him anywhere near our team. Break a leg son.shootershill2tropics said:ZERO chance of him coming back on loan. i'd say a glamor club for the "transformers" boy...and getting 1st team appearances within this season.
Classless twat, just goes to show you can take the boy from Uruguay, but they're all scummers inside.............
Rubbish.
As for stating that all Uraguayans are classless, let's not jump on the Suarez bandwagon on this thread.
And I know what the phrase break a leg means. I just hope you don't mean any more than that.
And this other stupid argument about the amount of youngsters that are cast asunder, they know they have only a tiny chance of making it and the academies are run to educate them in skills other than football because of this. Trust me nowadays clubs invest more in the youngsters than the other way round
2 -
no, the only difference is we're a professional football club. Bury Town are not a professional football club. Pope had a chance to become a professional in the field he wanted rather than a part time weekend footballer. We also agreed a deal that bury town were happy with and what they thought nick pope was worth to them. We will not get the same for Poyet, its utterly ridiculous and laughable to compare the two.Henry Irving said:
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.kentaddick said:I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
8 -
So you had people coming to work to watch you type away and pouring emotive praise on you? And awarding you an unprecedented 'employee of the year award' after six weeks?
No you didn't because only professional sports people have that and a select few of them at that.
If you flit from contract to contract from job to job it bothers nor affects me in the slightest. This gimps actions have affected me and hugely annoyed me at how classless he has been in soing so
1 -
particularly if they're on a long contract... say one roland's 4-5 year contracts...Algarveaddick said:
I would imagine they are fairly well insured if they get a career ending injury.DamoNorthStand said:
No very few would have the chance for such a big pay jump. Buy I remember when I left the first agency I worked at about 8 years ago. They offered me an extra 17.5k which is probably less than the uplift Diego would see in one week. But it meant I could afford the flat I wanted. It is my life and I wanted to do the best I could. Footballers could break a leg and their career could be over tomorrow. Make hay while you can I say.Carter said:
None of us are in that situation, and this argument is ridiculous, I mean absolutely no offence to you but this simply does not apply to anyone other than a tiny few. Diego could have bucked the trend like Jonjo did and. For me he is in the same twat category as Defoe and Parker now.DamoNorthStand said:
So if you had a chance to double or triple your pay, potentially changing your life, would stay with you current employee out of loyalty?!?tangoflash said:
Wouldn't want him anywhere near our team. Break a leg son.shootershill2tropics said:ZERO chance of him coming back on loan. i'd say a glamor club for the "transformers" boy...and getting 1st team appearances within this season.
Classless twat, just goes to show you can take the boy from Uruguay, but they're all scummers inside.............
Rubbish.
As for stating that all Uraguayans are classless, let's not jump on the Suarez bandwagon on this thread.
And I know what the phrase break a leg means. I just hope you don't mean any more than that.
And this other stupid argument about the amount of youngsters that are cast asunder, they know they have only a tiny chance of making it and the academies are run to educate them in skills other than football because of this. Trust me nowadays clubs invest more in the youngsters than the other way round0 -
Very disappointing obviously. I wouldn't blame either the player, the current owners or the previous owners though.
However, there is one aspect of this situation which puzzles me and I do wonder whether we've been unlucky, whether we made a major error of judgement about his ability and likely short-term development last summer or whether a very self-assured young man simply refused to be tied down.
Perhaps somebody ITK can tell us how the Club evaluated him this time last year. It's easy to suggest that the previous owners were too mean to offer him a long-term deal last summer, but I believe other young players were signed up and central midfielders Hughes and Gower were offered one year contracts using what, I'm sure, was scarce budget. The implication would seem to be that the Club's management simply didn't recognise what a gem they had.
In that's true, then depending on your perspective, we've either been unlucky or are guilty of a serious error of judgement on the footballing side. It would appear that a player who, at the beginning of the season, wasn't considered good enough to be part of the first team squad ended the season as the best player on the books. That's really quite extraordinary. Moreover, we're not talking about an exciting young player, playing out wide and with the pace and confidence only youth can deliver, offering erratic brilliance, mazy dribbles and a few spectacular goals, but a very organised footballer, who patrolled the space in front of his back four, read the game, tackled, intercepted and passed the ball with vision, awareness and with high completion.
Poyet was a mini Xavier Mascherano during the run in. How on earth did that transformation happen? How was that ability missed this time last year? Jimenez and Slater may be the devil incarnate as far as many fans are concerned, but they still injected £8.5m into the Club during the first season in the Championship and they didn't make many footballing errors. I find it hard to believe that if they had known what they had they wouldn't have paid up. It would have been in their interests to do so.
I'm puzzled, as I said, even if nobody else is. Any thoughts, anybody?2 -
cafctom said:
Funny isn't it that now he leaves everyone is jumping on him as a "classless Uruguayan", however we all know full well that he has spent years representing England and we all know he deems himself English.
Well he could be our number one next season, so a good career move. Will Poyet be the first midfielder on the team sheet im two year's time at Chelsea? I doubt it.Henry Irving said:
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.kentaddick said:I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective0 -
How do you know Bury Town we're happy?kentaddick said:
no, the only difference is we're a professional football club. Bury Town are not a professional football club. Pope had a chance to become a professional in the field he wanted rather than a part time weekend footballer. We also agreed a deal that bury town were happy with and what they thought nick pope was worth to them. We will not get the same for Poyet, its utterly ridiculous and laughable to compare the two.Henry Irving said:
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.kentaddick said:I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
Maybe they were, I don't know but Pope is hailed as a great prospect. He must have been a loss to their side.
I don't see anyone calling him every name under the sun for doing what was best for him.
No two cases are the same but with Pope we see him moving as a good thing as it us getting the benefit.
With Poyet the boot is on the other foot.
I don't blame Pope and I don't blame Poyet. Both young guys doing what they think is best for them and their careers.5 -
http://www.burytownfc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11:nick-pope-signs-for-charlton-athletic&catid=2:first-team-newsHenry Irving said:
How do you know Bury Town we're happy?kentaddick said:
no, the only difference is we're a professional football club. Bury Town are not a professional football club. Pope had a chance to become a professional in the field he wanted rather than a part time weekend footballer. We also agreed a deal that bury town were happy with and what they thought nick pope was worth to them. We will not get the same for Poyet, its utterly ridiculous and laughable to compare the two.Henry Irving said:
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.kentaddick said:I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
Maybe they were, I don't know but Pope is hailed as a great prospect. He must have been a loss to their side.
I don't see anyone calling him every name under the sun for doing what was best for him.
No two cases are the same but with Pope we see him moving as a good thing as it us getting the benefit.
With Poyet the boot is on the other foot.
I don't blame Pope and I don't blame Poyet. Both young guys doing what they think is best for them and their careers.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20140625-diego-poyet-to-leave-charlton-1677953.aspx
feel free to compare and contrast the two statements.2 - Sponsored links:
-
We will take young players & other clubs will take ours...it's just the current system. Shame though.0
-
Is our new manager classless and lacking loyalty for telling his former club to shove it as he was off regardless of him being under contract? Or is it different because, as Henry puts it, we are the shark in that situation too?9
-
You work to earn money, Football is a Job, and essentially Poyet has taken a promotion, Cant blame him. Give me a choice between 10k and 40k and I'd take 40 everytime. Really cant blame someone for bettering themselves.3
-
Henry, don't be ridiculous. You are comparing apples with ribeye steak
Of course Bury were not happy with losing him, but Pope will now be in with a really good chance of playing 40 league games in the next 12 months and in a division that is one below the top table in England if not Europe if you believe the hype.
Poyet won't. Unless a healthy spot of nepotism comes into play
I know you are trying to be rational but you cannot honestly believe what you have just said?1 -
yeah but at this level you're adding a couple of extra zeros to that figure (if we're talking salary) and when it gets to that much obscene amount of money its greed, simple.Laddick01 said:You work to earn money, Football is a Job, and essentially Poyet has taken a promotion, Cant blame him. Give me a choice between 10k and 40k and I'd take 40 everytime. Really cant blame someone for bettering themselves.
0 -
Gus was lying through his back bloody teeth to me the slimy bastard. First Uruguay knock us out and then this.
I'm going to go up to a favela and find somebody to deal with him, properly.13 -
or maybe Bury Town were happy with the package. What non league side has ever told a young lad they can't join a football league side.Henry Irving said:
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.kentaddick said:I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
1 -
careful, he might take a shit on your bathroom floorpaulsturgess said:Gus was lying through his back bloody teeth to me the slimy bastard. First Uruguay knock us out and then this.
I'm going to go up to a favela and find somebody to deal with him, properly.7 -
If someone offers me a couple of Extra Zero's to do the same job I already do I wouldn't turn it down, Yes I'm gutted He's left but you can't blame a kid for having a shot at the big time, Put in the same situation I'm sure many of us would do the same ...kentaddick said:
yeah but at this level you're adding a couple of extra zeros to that figure (if we're talking salary) and when it gets to that much obscene amount of money its greed, simple.Laddick01 said:You work to earn money, Football is a Job, and essentially Poyet has taken a promotion, Cant blame him. Give me a choice between 10k and 40k and I'd take 40 everytime. Really cant blame someone for bettering themselves.
1 -
I don't think a lot of football understand what a lie is.0
- Sponsored links:
-
I think Poyet would have been more difficult to tie down than the others, not least because he in a more secure position than others not to sign, given his father's status in the game. He was always going to get another club. Don't think there was any question over his quality.Mundell Fleming said:Very disappointing obviously. I wouldn't blame either the player, the current owners or the previous owners though.
However, there is one aspect of this situation which puzzles me and I do wonder whether we've been unlucky, whether we made a major error of judgement about his ability and likely short-term development last summer or whether a very self-assured young man simply refused to be tied down.
Perhaps somebody ITK can tell us how the Club evaluated him this time last year. It's easy to suggest that the previous owners were too mean to offer him a long-term deal last summer, but I believe other young players were signed up and central midfielders Hughes and Gower were offered one year contracts using what, I'm sure, was scarce budget. The implication would seem to be that the Club's management simply didn't recognise what a gem they had.
In that's true, then depending on your perspective, we've either been unlucky or are guilty of a serious error of judgement on the footballing side. It would appear that a player who, at the beginning of the season, wasn't considered good enough to be part of the first team squad ended the season as the best player on the books. That's really quite extraordinary. Moreover, we're not talking about an exciting young player, playing out wide and with the pace and confidence only youth can deliver, offering erratic brilliance, mazy dribbles and a few spectacular goals, but a very organised footballer, who patrolled the space in front of his back four, read the game, tackled, intercepted and passed the ball with vision, awareness and with high completion.
Poyet was a mini Xavier Mascherano during the run in. How on earth did that transformation happen? How was that ability missed this time last year? Jimenez and Slater may be the devil incarnate as far as many fans are concerned, but they still injected £8.5m into the Club during the first season in the Championship and they didn't make many footballing errors. I find it hard to believe that if they had known what they had they wouldn't have paid up. It would have been in their interests to do so.
I'm puzzled, as I said, even if nobody else is. Any thoughts, anybody?
I doubt if he's left solely or even mainly for money. We have to face the fact that objectively we are currently an unstable club. Whatever view you take of what is going on and however optimistic you are about Peeters, the latest signings or RD in general, the immediate future is difficult to predict. The recent past has been a mess. We'll stick with it because we're Charlton fans and whatever happens we'll be here the other side of it, but Poyet can opt out and if he isn't confident about what's going to happen next it's not surprising that he would.15 -
Thisshirty5 said:
or maybe Bury Town were happy with the package. What non league side has ever told a young lad they can't join a football league side.Henry Irving said:
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.kentaddick said:I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective0 -
Mundell Fleming said:
Very disappointing obviously. I wouldn't blame either the player, the current owners or the previous owners though.
However, there is one aspect of this situation which puzzles me and I do wonder whether we've been unlucky, whether we made a major error of judgement about his ability and likely short-term development last summer or whether a very self-assured young man simply refused to be tied down.
Perhaps somebody ITK can tell us how the Club evaluated him this time last year. It's easy to suggest that the previous owners were too mean to offer him a long-term deal last summer, but I believe other young players were signed up and central midfielders Hughes and Gower were offered one year contracts using what, I'm sure, was scarce budget. The implication would seem to be that the Club's management simply didn't recognise what a gem they had.
In that's true, then depending on your perspective, we've either been unlucky or are guilty of a serious error of judgement on the footballing side. It would appear that a player who, at the beginning of the season, wasn't considered good enough to be part of the first team squad ended the season as the best player on the books. That's really quite extraordinary. Moreover, we're not talking about an exciting young player, playing out wide and with the pace and confidence only youth can deliver, offering erratic brilliance, mazy dribbles and a few spectacular goals, but a very organised footballer, who patrolled the space in front of his back four, read the game, tackled, intercepted and passed the ball with vision, awareness and with high completion.
Poyet was a mini Xavier Mascherano during the run in. How on earth did that transformation happen? How was that ability missed this time last year? Jimenez and Slater may be the devil incarnate as far as many fans are concerned, but they still injected £8.5m into the Club during the first season in the Championship and they didn't make many footballing errors. I find it hard to believe that if they had known what they had they wouldn't have paid up. It would have been in their interests to do so.
I'm puzzled, as I said, even if nobody else is. Any thoughts, anybody?
In their defence, they probably didn't realise how quick he'd break on to the scene. It's an irony that he did so mainly down to their inadequencies.
The likes of Poyet were always going to be somebody else's problem in their eyes. Gower and the like were quick fixes
1 -
Classy statement from Bury Town FC.kentaddick said:
http://www.burytownfc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11:nick-pope-signs-for-charlton-athletic&catid=2:first-team-newsHenry Irving said:
How do you know Bury Town we're happy?kentaddick said:
no, the only difference is we're a professional football club. Bury Town are not a professional football club. Pope had a chance to become a professional in the field he wanted rather than a part time weekend footballer. We also agreed a deal that bury town were happy with and what they thought nick pope was worth to them. We will not get the same for Poyet, its utterly ridiculous and laughable to compare the two.Henry Irving said:
Only different because we were the shark and not the fish.kentaddick said:I think we agreed a fee with bury town. I don't think any non league team would hold it against their players from moving to a league club at all. It's completely different.
How would we feel if a Chelsea/Man U fan said " no fan of a football league club would hold it against a player if he moved to a premier league club"?
Was Pope showing a lack of loyalty to Bury Town or being a greedy twat? Or was it a great career move?
Perspective
Maybe they were, I don't know but Pope is hailed as a great prospect. He must have been a loss to their side.
I don't see anyone calling him every name under the sun for doing what was best for him.
No two cases are the same but with Pope we see him moving as a good thing as it us getting the benefit.
With Poyet the boot is on the other foot.
I don't blame Pope and I don't blame Poyet. Both young guys doing what they think is best for them and their careers.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20140625-diego-poyet-to-leave-charlton-1677953.aspx
feel free to compare and contrast the two statements.
Shame some of us fans on here can't match it.
I wonder if fans on Bury Life were slagging him off or maybe they have a little bit of perspective.2 -
You're spot on.Godstone said:We will take young players & other clubs will take ours...it's just the current system. Shame though.
The system is wrong and weighted far too much in favour of the richer clubs but it is what it is.
0 -
realistically he was probably 500k a year here or 700k in the prem, how many people in the world would kill for 500k a year job?! thats £2 million over a 4 year period, if you spend that money wisely it can set you up for life. The premier league offers absolutely silly money these days, its greed, pure and simpleLaddick01 said:
If someone offers me a couple of Extra Zero's to do the same job I already do I wouldn't turn it down, Yes I'm gutted He's left but you can't blame a kid for having a shot at the big time, Put in the same situation I'm sure many of us would do the same ...kentaddick said:
yeah but at this level you're adding a couple of extra zeros to that figure (if we're talking salary) and when it gets to that much obscene amount of money its greed, simple.Laddick01 said:You work to earn money, Football is a Job, and essentially Poyet has taken a promotion, Cant blame him. Give me a choice between 10k and 40k and I'd take 40 everytime. Really cant blame someone for bettering themselves.
0 -
Its hard to be critical of the club for not putting Poyet in the 1st XI sooner and spending cash on Hughes/Gower - the reality is that sometimes players come from nowhere and take to senior football like they have played it all their life whilst others never really come to terms with it.
Lee Bowyer was very much in the former category, came in as a 17 year-old and bossed games from the start whereas other young players for whom there were high hopes cant make the jump.0 -
If Poyet goes to Chelsea like the Rumors suggest he could be on almost double that 700k, Triple what he'd earn at Charlton. Ruben Loftus-Cheek has made 1.7m without even getting near the Chelsea first team , Madness...kentaddick said:
realistically he was probably 500k a year here or 700k in the prem, how many people in the world would kill for 500k a year job?! thats £2 million over a 4 year period, if you spend that money wisely it can set you up for life. The premier league offers absolutely silly money these days, its greed, pure and simpleLaddick01 said:
If someone offers me a couple of Extra Zero's to do the same job I already do I wouldn't turn it down, Yes I'm gutted He's left but you can't blame a kid for having a shot at the big time, Put in the same situation I'm sure many of us would do the same ...kentaddick said:
yeah but at this level you're adding a couple of extra zeros to that figure (if we're talking salary) and when it gets to that much obscene amount of money its greed, simple.Laddick01 said:You work to earn money, Football is a Job, and essentially Poyet has taken a promotion, Cant blame him. Give me a choice between 10k and 40k and I'd take 40 everytime. Really cant blame someone for bettering themselves.
0 -
I thank Diego for his sterling performances and effort and for showcasing the skills of the coaches at cafc who develope and produce such good youngsters
I am sorry that he chose to ignore the cost and the effort that aided his career thus far that he chose at the first opportunity to turn his back on the club that gave him so much the fans who adored his style of play
I think he deserves to be told how people feel if it's abusive so what that's football in the year 2014
I also think that Diego is no where near going to gain as much experience or football know how , understanding how to win how to actually play football
As quickly as he would've staying with us for another season
I don't buy the short career, it's too hard to turn down
It's all about kudos and cash we may have cash but cafc has little kudos for players like Diego
For Diego unfortunately his career will tail off for a season or two he will be loaned out and will proberly be in a team facing us next season
Those saying it's not about money your right
It's about money and stature of club
Diego has done no wrong in theory but morally and out of respect to our club he has done a lot wrong and deserves thevplaudits for his performances but deserves his critics for his behaviour
Personally it's a thanks for your help last season see you, now you have the career you wish for I bid you good fortune but I care not one jot about Diego and where his career takes him
5 -
Not one person has a fucking clue where he's going yet but it's already a bad career move and the wrong choice.
You gotta laugh.11
