What an episode! That is one way to cheer you up from watching that utter dross of a England game. So much happened. I'd say this has probably been the best season yet
- I love this show for all the misdirection it throws at you. There's been loads of foreshadowing that Margaery Tyrell was going to make some power play and even at the beginning of the episode with Loras being stripped of his titles and mutilated you begin to wonder how this will affect the Tyrell dynasty and not even consider that they are about to all die anyway and none of it matters.
- I see a lot of 'lol teleporting' comments and although the show does not really address the passage of time either between scenes or whether the events we see on screen are happening concurrently it is pretty obvious that the different storylines are happening months apart at a time. Even if we make an assumption that Westeros and Essos are smaller in the TV adaptation than the books, it would have taken Jaime at least a few months to ride to the Riverlands, take back Riverrun and come home again. Basically all the events we saw in that last episode alone would have happened over a space of a few months at the very least (and the scenes were not even arranged in chronological order). The scene of Dany sailing out of the Bay of Dragons has likely occurred weeks or months after Cersei's coup. However I suspect when all these events finally collide next season, the writers will probably skirt over time-related plotholes for the sake of narrative. It doesn't actually really matter anyway.
- R+L = J finally confirmed.
- If anyone is questioning how Cersei can claim the crown, it isn't through the Baratheon bloodline, she has been crowned as a Lannister by the Maester of King's Landing. The Lannisters have effectively overthrown the ruling bloodline by virtue of being the army standing in the city when the last Baratheon died. With the death of Kevan and no other notable Lannisters existing in the TV adaptation she is effectively the de facto head of House Lannister as Jaime has forsaken his inheritance and Tyrion is a marked kinslayer. The Kingsguard are also made up of Cersei's lackeys and the Kingsguard and the Lannisters have effectively been collaborating for years now.
So how many of the remaining characters are at odds with each other? Dorne and House Tyrell are now with Dany. The North is united and with Tower of Joy being a thing, it stands to reason that the North will ally with Dany somehow.
So that just leaves Jaime and Cersei vs. the world. Their army cannot possibly contend with that lot, so will the next season be an overthrow of Lannister followed by the battle to save the world? Or will those battles happen at the same time (now that Bran is going to fuck up the Wall)?
I guess Littlefinger is the one to throw a spanner in the works. But how?
So how many of the remaining characters are at odds with each other? Dorne and House Tyrell are now with Dany. The North is united and with Tower of Joy being a thing, it stands to reason that the North will ally with Dany somehow.
So that just leaves Jaime and Cersei vs. the world. Their army cannot possibly contend with that lot, so will the next season be an overthrow of Lannister followed by the battle to save the world? Or will those battles happen at the same time (now that Bran is going to fuck up the Wall)?
I guess Littlefinger is the one to throw a spanner in the works. But how?
Suddenly being Scottish and confusing everyone iinto not noticing his master plan.
Tyrion in Season One: 'I have a tender spot in my heart for cripples and bastards and broken things.'
Jon - He died and is a bastard, you don't get much more broken than that. Bran - Crippled by the 'accident' Arya - Stabbed a few times, broken. Sansa - Raped by Ramsey, possibly impregnated... Broken. All of the eunuchs (Grey worm, Varys, Theon etc) - broken things Old Lady Tyrell - Broken by her entire family being wiped out.
I guess the other question will be how Jon Snow finds out about him being a Targaryen...
Must mean that he's going to meet up with Bran somewhere down the line so a potential battle against the Walkers?
The other guy from the tower of joy, Howland Reed, is still alive. His kid is currently with Bran.
Do we know that he's still alive or is it just that we don't know he's dead? There was a theory that he was the high sparrow but I guess that one's been ruled out now
I guess the other question will be how Jon Snow finds out about him being a Targaryen...
Must mean that he's going to meet up with Bran somewhere down the line so a potential battle against the Walkers?
The other guy from the tower of joy, Howland Reed, is still alive. His kid is currently with Bran.
Do we know that he's still alive or is it just that we don't know he's dead? There was a theory that he was the high sparrow but I guess that one's been ruled out now
Never bought that one. More inclined to believe the theory about Meera not being Howlands.
Hope Brienne and Pod find Gendry out on their paddle.
The director of the episode has confirmed he is dead. They thought it would be more powerful if his last moment would be him choosing to die rather than showing his death. Problem is, no one thinks he is dead now.
Hope Brienne and Pod find Gendry out on their paddle.
The director of the episode has confirmed he is dead. They thought it would be more powerful if his last moment would be him choosing to die rather than showing his death. Problem is, no one thinks he is dead now.
GOT have a bit of form for lying about character deaths.
The only downside for me was I couldn't properly enjoy the King in the North stuff because it played right into Littlefinger's hands regarding Sansa. What I'm really hoping though is that Sansa has become so good at playing the game that even Littlefinger can't manipulate her, and when he makes his big play against Jon she cuts him down.
I guess the other question will be how Jon Snow finds out about him being a Targaryen...
Must mean that he's going to meet up with Bran somewhere down the line so a potential battle against the Walkers?
The other guy from the tower of joy, Howland Reed, is still alive. His kid is currently with Bran.
Do we know that he's still alive or is it just that we don't know he's dead? There was a theory that he was the high sparrow but I guess that one's been ruled out now
He's still alive, at least when bran meets jojen and meera he is. Jojen tells bran when he heard of ned's death was the first time he had seen his father cry. The problem is Howland reed in the tower of joy is very different from the Howland in the books. In the tv show he's taller than ned but in the books his build is like a child, like jojen's build. Supposedly because the people of the neck bred with the children of the forest many centuries ago. Little finger also said the Knights of the vale were stationed at moat calin which is located in the neck, close to Howland reed's castle. Howland hasn't left the neck since Roberts rebellion, maybe the white walkers will make him leave to help Jon and then could let it slip then.
The only downside for me was I couldn't properly enjoy the King in the North stuff because it played right into Littlefinger's hands regarding Sansa. What I'm really hoping though is that Sansa has become so good at playing the game that even Littlefinger can't manipulate her, and when he makes his big play against Jon she cuts him down.
Just caught up. This is a good point but I believe littlefinger has one more turn left in him. And that will be to help Cersei. I only think this because at the moment she is massively outnumbered. It wouldn't be a battle, she's up against Damerys, The Martells, Tyrells, Greyjoys and Dragons. There has to be something or someone who would side with her??? Otherwise she has no hope
Huron Greyjoy maybe
Then there's always the book to go back too. If you've read it think what hasn't happened yet that was a thing that seems to have been not used
Who knows
We all know that the north will be the ones tasked with defeating the white walkers
The only downside for me was I couldn't properly enjoy the King in the North stuff because it played right into Littlefinger's hands regarding Sansa. What I'm really hoping though is that Sansa has become so good at playing the game that even Littlefinger can't manipulate her, and when he makes his big play against Jon she cuts him down.
Just caught up. This is a good point but I believe littlefinger has one more turn left in him. And that will be to help Cersei. I only think this because at the moment she is massively outnumbered. It wouldn't be a battle, she's up against Damerys, The Martells, Tyrells, Greyjoys and Dragons. There has to be something or someone who would side with her??? Otherwise she has no hope
Huron Greyjoy maybe
Then there's always the book to go back too. If you've read it think what hasn't happened yet that was a thing that seems to have been not used
Who knows
We all know that the north will be the ones tasked with defeating the white walkers
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That is one way to cheer you up from watching that utter dross of a England game.
So much happened. I'd say this has probably been the best season yet
Cracking episode but all this good guys winning for a change has me worried!
Also reckon the Mountain gave that woman a good teabagging
- I love this show for all the misdirection it throws at you. There's been loads of foreshadowing that Margaery Tyrell was going to make some power play and even at the beginning of the episode with Loras being stripped of his titles and mutilated you begin to wonder how this will affect the Tyrell dynasty and not even consider that they are about to all die anyway and none of it matters.
- I see a lot of 'lol teleporting' comments and although the show does not really address the passage of time either between scenes or whether the events we see on screen are happening concurrently it is pretty obvious that the different storylines are happening months apart at a time. Even if we make an assumption that Westeros and Essos are smaller in the TV adaptation than the books, it would have taken Jaime at least a few months to ride to the Riverlands, take back Riverrun and come home again. Basically all the events we saw in that last episode alone would have happened over a space of a few months at the very least (and the scenes were not even arranged in chronological order). The scene of Dany sailing out of the Bay of Dragons has likely occurred weeks or months after Cersei's coup. However I suspect when all these events finally collide next season, the writers will probably skirt over time-related plotholes for the sake of narrative. It doesn't actually really matter anyway.
- R+L = J finally confirmed.
- If anyone is questioning how Cersei can claim the crown, it isn't through the Baratheon bloodline, she has been crowned as a Lannister by the Maester of King's Landing. The Lannisters have effectively overthrown the ruling bloodline by virtue of being the army standing in the city when the last Baratheon died. With the death of Kevan and no other notable Lannisters existing in the TV adaptation she is effectively the de facto head of House Lannister as Jaime has forsaken his inheritance and Tyrion is a marked kinslayer. The Kingsguard are also made up of Cersei's lackeys and the Kingsguard and the Lannisters have effectively been collaborating for years now.
So many brilliant plotlines
And winter has finally come!!
So that just leaves Jaime and Cersei vs. the world. Their army cannot possibly contend with that lot, so will the next season be an overthrow of Lannister followed by the battle to save the world? Or will those battles happen at the same time (now that Bran is going to fuck up the Wall)?
I guess Littlefinger is the one to throw a spanner in the works. But how?
Must mean that he's going to meet up with Bran somewhere down the line so a potential battle against the Walkers?
He can find out from bran, or from Howland reed, who survived the tower of joy and is meera's father.
'I have a tender spot in my heart for cripples and bastards and broken things.'
Jon - He died and is a bastard, you don't get much more broken than that.
Bran - Crippled by the 'accident'
Arya - Stabbed a few times, broken.
Sansa - Raped by Ramsey, possibly impregnated... Broken.
All of the eunuchs (Grey worm, Varys, Theon etc) - broken things
Old Lady Tyrell - Broken by her entire family being wiped out.
Danaerys - Not sure how she fits...
Hope Brienne and Pod find Gendry out on their paddle.
I could be wrong but everything his sister does is detrimental for him.
Huron Greyjoy maybe
Then there's always the book to go back too. If you've read it think what hasn't happened yet that was a thing that seems to have been not used
Who knows
We all know that the north will be the ones tasked with defeating the white walkers