Here are the issues but we have the usual lost in googlation problems.
Can not start the New Pest in the Europa League 2014-05-30 20:57:24
The License Tax Appeals Commission held a meeting today and was rejected by the New Pest 1885 License Football Club Ltd your appeal request.
The Cup win great success, but as you might expect, not for Europian Cup start (photo: mlsz.hu)
The Pest 1885 New Football Ltd. filed 2014th on May 20 appeal HFF Club Licensing administration, the Court of First Instance License Tax Commission dated 2014th day of May 14, compared to negative decision of the club's first league and UEFA club license granted license. In the appeal, the club requests the Appellate License Tax Commission, if UEFA will give the existing MRL Club Licensing Regulations and from the "three-year rule" in the current UEFA Club Licensing Regulations are the waiver with the international (UEFA) club license to Ăšjpest 1885 Football Ltd. episode the Appeals Committee Licensor enter. The waiver request exemption from the "three-year rule" HFF coverage of the UEFA club licensing administration of the New Pest been filed prior to the submission of the appeal.
The club licensing basic process will be concluded no later than May 30, and a license are required to list the HFF sent to UEFA. The Licensor Appeals Committee meeting took place, therefore the latest possible date. The UEFA did not give permission for it to this day by the New Pest.
Because § 92 of the current UEFA Club Licensing Regulations, for the UEFA license application only allowed to exempt "from the three-year rule" in the License Tax Appeals Commission was not in a UEFA license specified.
The UEFA HFF for the license transfer subject in its letter sent to the 2014th in January that information for the first time, it was only in cases where the exemption from the "three-year rule", which in a certain way, portfolio license transferring company obligations fully transferred license has been receiving party, which did not happen in the transfer of the New Pest license. The UEFA Club Licensing Administration leader of this statement for the days HFF confirmed e-mail of the recipient.
You've had more luck translating that article than I had!! It's still not very clear what's actually going on, but what you've posted is very helpful.
Here's an excerpt from the Hungarian news piece linked earlier;
"The problem is that as soon as these companies (the vendor to Duchatelet) realised that Duchatelet is not willing to pay any more, they initiated the dissolution procedure. If this claim will be approved and become legally binding, Újpest will lose the licence to play in the first league, and can only start the next season in the third division. To tackle this outcome, Duchatelet initiated the transferring of the the license from Újpest FC Kft. (the current owner) to Újpest 1885 Kft., a new company, which has no debt to offshore companies. This maneuver is possible because the law regulating the licence of football clubs was modified last year, thus giving more possibilities to transfer licenses.
Right now, the fate of Újpest FC is in the hand of the Hungarian Football Association (MLSZ), which is in the position to approve or disapprove the request for transferring the licence."
I think we can assume that the MLSZ (Hungarian Football Association) approved the transfer of the licence, at which point Duchatelet junior assumed all was OK. Moreover, the MLSZ put the new Ujpest forward for the Europa League when they won the Hungarian Cup. However, UEFA took a hard line and refused entry because for some reason the new license didn't satisfy their requirements. It's not clear whether this European ban will last three years or if an appeal might be successful, but it's clearly too late for next season's competition.
Can't help feeling Ujpest have been a bit hard done by here.
Doesn't appear to have been very popular there at first and overall still isn't. It seems they were happy after he responded and made changes following their protest.
They had the same concerns we have, including wanting a manager / head coach to select the players and transfer targets, not RD himself, quote "like they do in England." So even the so called "continental" approach isn't actually popular with fans over there.
They're still none the wiser as to his true intentions, so don't ever expect us to be either! A few suggesting tax evasion etc.
Some interesting and recent thoughts on there that wouldn't like out of place on here:
"But I fear for the future, all players will leave for a large sum, and to replace them, it will make its purchases in Division 3 French take Japanese, and other bums that nobody wants."
Some others saying he couldn't have f****d a brothel more than he has Standard Liege.
I don't think we should assume he treats Standard any better than he does us, i.e. we are not their feeder club. It seems he's only really interested in trying to buy cheap players, move them around the network (including Standard) and then try to sell them on. His clubs are nothing more than a shop window for this. You could understand why he didn't take to Powell or Riga not selecting these players.
An image from the forum:
There's also a video of some angry fans confronting him.
Sounds like he is still trying to sell the club.
Also interesting to see that a few of them wanted Riga sacked when he was there.
the nickname of Liege is "la cité ardente" - the burning city ... Standard de liege fans are very very passionate
the atmosphere there is really unbelievable during games, you can ask to everton or liverpool fans who went there, who were very impressed.
But to put in a bit of context; i have never ever in my entire life heard standard de liege supporters and especially the ultras there "being happy" with how their club was run. Not in the duchatelet era, not in the D'Onofrio era before that, in fact not since i ever started following football.
For those interested, weekly round up of the network clubs here
For some reason, most of the websites don't carry details of attendances, or if they do, they are added later. if anyone knows a website carrying all these clubs' results, and which posts attendances routinely, please let me know. I was using Soccerway for this set.
For those interested, weekly round up of the network clubs here
For some reason, most of the websites don't carry details of attendances, or if they do, they are added later. if anyone knows a website carrying all these clubs' results, and which posts attendances routinely, please let me know. I was using Soccerway for this set.
I can give you the info on Standard and Sint truiden , the other ones are a lot harder to find
For those interested, weekly round up of the network clubs here
For some reason, most of the websites don't carry details of attendances, or if they do, they are added later. if anyone knows a website carrying all these clubs' results, and which posts attendances routinely, please let me know. I was using Soccerway for this set.
I can give you the info on Standard and Sint truiden , the other ones are a lot harder to find
From an article about Delort, liege and the possible addition of tours to the network :
The advisers will then offer the player Delort to Charlton, but without the consent of Tours. Roland Duchâtelet reaches an agreement with the player and his advisors to the board but not Tours. "We were led to believe that Charlton had more resources than the Standard but Mr. Duchâtelet gave us exactly the same offer, far removed from the actual value of the player," says the president of Tours, Jean-Marc Ettori, President founder of the tour operator Corsicatours.
From an article about Delort, liege and the possible addition of tours to the network :
The advisers will then offer the player Delort to Charlton, but without the consent of Tours. Roland Duchâtelet reaches an agreement with the player and his advisors to the board but not Tours. "We were led to believe that Charlton had more resources than the Standard but Mr. Duchâtelet gave us exactly the same offer, far removed from the actual value of the player," says the president of Tours, Jean-Marc Ettori, President founder of the tour operator Corsicatours.
Do you have a link, Sammy? You are indicating that it suggests Tours itself are a target for RD?
From an article about Delort, liege and the possible addition of tours to the network :
The advisers will then offer the player Delort to Charlton, but without the consent of Tours. Roland Duchâtelet reaches an agreement with the player and his advisors to the board but not Tours. "We were led to believe that Charlton had more resources than the Standard but Mr. Duchâtelet gave us exactly the same offer, far removed from the actual value of the player," says the president of Tours, Jean-Marc Ettori, President founder of the tour operator Corsicatours.
Do you have a link, Sammy? You are indicating that it suggests Tours itself are a target for RD?
Interesting story, but no idea how reliable that outlet is. For a start it claims the Brentford €4m offer foundered because the agent demanded €300,000, being 20% of the fee. But €300k is patently not 20% of €4m. Further, by all reports, Delort's agent is a family member (That is also what is listed in Transfermarkt). Would the deal founder on that basis, then?
On the other hand I could well believe that in principal RD might consider buying a club in order to get his hands on one star player. I see that often enough in my own industry. I just don't think that this story carries any evidence that it actually happened.
Mr Ettori seems to have difficulty with the fact that the 'actual value' of Andy Delorean is what another club is ready to pay, and not what Mr Ettori needs in order to pay off the debts.
Interesting story, but no idea how reliable that outlet is. For a start it claims the Brentford €4m offer foundered because the agent demanded €300,000, being 20% of the fee. But €300k is patently not 20% of €4m. Further, by all reports, Delort's agent is a family member (That is also what is listed in Transfermarkt). Would the deal founder on that basis, then?
On the other hand I could well believe that in principal RD might consider buying a club in order to get his hands on one star player. I see that often enough in my own industry. I just don't think that this story carries any evidence that it actually happened.
Mr Ettori seems to have difficulty with the fact that the 'actual value' of Andy Delorean is what another club is ready to pay, and not what Mr Ettori needs in order to pay off the debts.
I knew all along he is secretly after Simon Church.
For me the most interesting thing was to see that Standard got 23,000 for their home league game against the mighty Westerlo, but only 14,000 for the crucial UCL qualifier against Zenit, with Hulk et al, and huge revenues hanging on the game. Would be interested to hear from our Belgian friends about why that would be.
For me the most interesting thing was to see that Standard got 23,000 for their home league game against the mighty Westerlo, but only 14,000 for the crucial UCL qualifier against Zenit, with Hulk et al, and huge revenues hanging on the game. Would be interested to hear from our Belgian friends about why that would be.
1- Because they didn't believe they had a chance of winning 2 - Because the ticket was not included in the season ticket 3 - because it was on a week day
Match three of the Spanish second division sees Alcorcón in eight place away to sixth placed Mirandés (a win and a draw from the first two games).
Mirandés were actually relegated from this division last year but were reprieved due to Murcia's demotion for financial reasons.The modestly sized club from the Burgos region are only in their third year at this level so are quite an even match for Alcorcón in terms of size and history.
Kick off at 5pm Spanish time, updates on match thread I set up on the Other Football and Sports board. Hopefully a good result for Los Alfareros (the Potters) from Alcorcón!
3073 attendance at Mirandés. Man of the match was Óscar Plano and Charlie Dean, still the only Englishman playing in Spain, played the full 90 minutes at centre back for Alcorcón.
Latest round up of weekend results here on the Trust site. I lifted the comments of @Paulie8290 (Standard) and @CharltonMadrid (Alcorcon) but credited you both, hope thats ok, guys.
For the first time I can recall, the entire Network went undefeated, and Standard aside, all clubs seem to have started well (or better than at this stage last season). I reckon RD will be quietly satisfied, even if the Standard fans won't be.
Interview on Alcorcón website with RD. Will try to translate/summarise tomorrow but basically he talks about the work in progress there, asks for patience and says this year has seen a lot of new players join at same time. Seems to see it as a transitional time but he sounds positive about his involvement there.
Interview on Alcorcón website with RD. Will try to translate/summarise tomorrow but basically he talks about the work in progress there, asks for patience and says this year has seen a lot of new players join at same time. Seems to see it as a transitional time but he sounds positive about his involvement there.
What I translated is basically the gist of the article. Google translate can help anyone wanting more detail. Away to Alavés this afternoon. Need a result to stop the recent decline.
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Can not start the New Pest in the Europa League
2014-05-30 20:57:24
The License Tax Appeals Commission held a meeting today and was rejected by the New Pest 1885 License Football Club Ltd your appeal request.
The Cup win great success, but as you might expect, not for Europian Cup start (photo: mlsz.hu)
The Pest 1885 New Football Ltd. filed 2014th on May 20 appeal HFF Club Licensing administration, the Court of First Instance License Tax Commission dated 2014th day of May 14, compared to negative decision of the club's first league and UEFA club license granted license. In the appeal, the club requests the Appellate License Tax Commission, if UEFA will give the existing MRL Club Licensing Regulations and from the "three-year rule" in the current UEFA Club Licensing Regulations are the waiver with the international (UEFA) club license to Ăšjpest 1885 Football Ltd. episode the Appeals Committee Licensor enter. The waiver request exemption from the "three-year rule" HFF coverage of the UEFA club licensing administration of the New Pest been filed prior to the submission of the appeal.
The club licensing basic process will be concluded no later than May 30, and a license are required to list the HFF sent to UEFA. The Licensor Appeals Committee meeting took place, therefore the latest possible date. The UEFA did not give permission for it to this day by the New Pest.
Because § 92 of the current UEFA Club Licensing Regulations, for the UEFA license application only allowed to exempt "from the three-year rule" in the License Tax Appeals Commission was not in a UEFA license specified.
The UEFA HFF for the license transfer subject in its letter sent to the 2014th in January that information for the first time, it was only in cases where the exemption from the "three-year rule", which in a certain way, portfolio license transferring company obligations fully transferred license has been receiving party, which did not happen in the transfer of the New Pest license. The UEFA Club Licensing Administration leader of this statement for the days HFF confirmed e-mail of the recipient.
You've had more luck translating that article than I had!! It's still not very clear what's actually going on, but what you've posted is very helpful.
Here's an excerpt from the Hungarian news piece linked earlier;
"The problem is that as soon as these companies (the vendor to Duchatelet) realised that Duchatelet is not willing to pay any more, they initiated the dissolution procedure. If this claim will be approved and become legally binding, Újpest will lose the licence to play in the first league, and can only start the next season in the third division. To tackle this outcome, Duchatelet initiated the transferring of the the license from Újpest FC Kft. (the current owner) to Újpest 1885 Kft., a new company, which has no debt to offshore companies. This maneuver is possible because the law regulating the licence of football clubs was modified last year, thus giving more possibilities to transfer licenses.
Right now, the fate of Újpest FC is in the hand of the Hungarian Football Association (MLSZ), which is in the position to approve or disapprove the request for transferring the licence."
I think we can assume that the MLSZ (Hungarian Football Association) approved the transfer of the licence, at which point Duchatelet junior assumed all was OK. Moreover, the MLSZ put the new Ujpest forward for the Europa League when they won the Hungarian Cup. However, UEFA took a hard line and refused entry because for some reason the new license didn't satisfy their requirements. It's not clear whether this European ban will last three years or if an appeal might be successful, but it's clearly too late for next season's competition.
Can't help feeling Ujpest have been a bit hard done by here.
There is a thread on Roland Duchatelet, huh.
Doesn't appear to have been very popular there at first and overall still isn't. It seems they were happy after he responded and made changes following their protest.
They had the same concerns we have, including wanting a manager / head coach to select the players and transfer targets, not RD himself, quote "like they do in England." So even the so called "continental" approach isn't actually popular with fans over there.
They're still none the wiser as to his true intentions, so don't ever expect us to be either! A few suggesting tax evasion etc.
Some interesting and recent thoughts on there that wouldn't like out of place on here:
"But I fear for the future, all players will leave for a large sum, and to replace them, it will make its purchases in Division 3 French take Japanese, and other bums that nobody wants."
Some others saying he couldn't have f****d a brothel more than he has Standard Liege.
I don't think we should assume he treats Standard any better than he does us, i.e. we are not their feeder club. It seems he's only really interested in trying to buy cheap players, move them around the network (including Standard) and then try to sell them on. His clubs are nothing more than a shop window for this. You could understand why he didn't take to Powell or Riga not selecting these players.
An image from the forum:
There's also a video of some angry fans confronting him.
Sounds like he is still trying to sell the club.
Also interesting to see that a few of them wanted Riga sacked when he was there.
the atmosphere there is really unbelievable during games, you can ask to everton or liverpool fans who went there, who were very impressed.
But to put in a bit of context; i have never ever in my entire life heard standard de liege supporters and especially the ultras there "being happy" with how their club was run. Not in the duchatelet era, not in the D'Onofrio era before that, in fact not since i ever started following football.
it is never quiet at standard de liege
For some reason, most of the websites don't carry details of attendances, or if they do, they are added later. if anyone knows a website carrying all these clubs' results, and which posts attendances routinely, please let me know. I was using Soccerway for this set.
Some interesting stories, at least if you are interested in the clubs concerned.
The advisers will then offer the player Delort to Charlton, but without the consent of Tours. Roland Duchâtelet reaches an agreement with the player and his advisors to the board but not Tours. "We were led to believe that Charlton had more resources than the Standard but Mr. Duchâtelet gave us exactly the same offer, far removed from the actual value of the player," says the president of Tours, Jean-Marc Ettori, President founder of the tour operator Corsicatours.
On the other hand I could well believe that in principal RD might consider buying a club in order to get his hands on one star player. I see that often enough in my own industry. I just don't think that this story carries any evidence that it actually happened.
Mr Ettori seems to have difficulty with the fact that the 'actual value' of Andy Delorean is what another club is ready to pay, and not what Mr Ettori needs in order to pay off the debts.
For me the most interesting thing was to see that Standard got 23,000 for their home league game against the mighty Westerlo, but only 14,000 for the crucial UCL qualifier against Zenit, with Hulk et al, and huge revenues hanging on the game. Would be interested to hear from our Belgian friends about why that would be.
2 - Because the ticket was not included in the season ticket
3 - because it was on a week day
Probably the 3 main reasons
Mirandés were actually relegated from this division last year but were reprieved due to Murcia's demotion for financial reasons.The modestly sized club from the Burgos region are only in their third year at this level so are quite an even match for Alcorcón in terms of size and history.
Kick off at 5pm Spanish time, updates on match thread I set up on the Other Football and Sports board. Hopefully a good result for Los Alfareros (the Potters) from Alcorcón!
For the first time I can recall, the entire Network went undefeated, and Standard aside, all clubs seem to have started well (or better than at this stage last season). I reckon RD will be quietly satisfied, even if the Standard fans won't be.
Interview on Alcorcón website with RD. Will try to translate/summarise tomorrow but basically he talks about the work in progress there, asks for patience and says this year has seen a lot of new players join at same time. Seems to see it as a transitional time but he sounds positive about his involvement there.