But those middle class fans had always been there.
More importantly by the 90s the class distinctions had become blurred. Kids from working class backgrounds were taking jobs in the city and earning big money for example.
Type in to Google "football fans priced out", to see what I'm referring to. Take your pick. Unfortunately the research study I was involved in, which got a double page spread in the Guardian, who paid for it, predates the Internet, but I have never forgotten how sad I felt attending focus groups in Sheffield, listening to decent ordinary people saying they would no longer be able to go to watch Wednesday or United. Not many of them could get "jobs in the city".
And remember the alarming statistic about the average age in the East Stand. 53, wasn't it?
Anyway, I just caught up with Have I got News for You, where Farage was a guest. After that, I still don't believe that in 1982, Nigel Farage had spent any time at all at Selhurst Park. If I'm proved wrong, I'll apologise.
Agree with those saying about you're fooked if you meet someone new and they have no interest in football , what the hell do you talk about , I mean I'm not gonna ask em what porn sites they're pulling themselves off to !
I went to St Joseph's Blackheath and that was previously a Grammar school and was massive on rugby, I was/am a lightweight and had zero interest in rugby , although as a tricky footballer I could jink past a fat rugby player with ease First term there we had to play it , second term there of say 100 kids 20 chose rugby 80 football for the games option, there had to be 50 in each section ..... They then gave everyone a number who'd chosen football and drew numbers out the hat to move them across to rugby , when the last kid was moved across and it wasn't me I was so pleased I punched the air with joy Mr fucking Bacon the rugby teacher saw this and moved me across to rugby for the next term , I was in tears, broken and from there on in I have the most irrational bitter hatred of rugby union that is possible , I want England to lose all rugby matches , I don't want the kids of this country to play it , football is our game I childishly talk the game down to my sons and rugby balls that turn up soon mysteriously disappear , yes I'm bitter , weird and warped.
As for the politics , shamefully I leave that to the grown ups and the last time I voted was for the Valley Party , one day I may grow up but I very much doubt it .
Gonna get my vote and shut down the trough that all those self serving euro bstds are eating from
Including him !
No I'm sure he means people like this :-) :
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There is no doubt Nigel Farage is a divisive character. I suspect some on CL see him as a latter day St George, while others believe he would have made a good scriptwriter for Dr Goebbels. I think his conversion to stripeydom is a recent one, possibly calculated to make him appear less like a member of the elite. Allegedly his career at Dulwich College was punctuated by bouts of singing the Horst Wessel song and motoring round the streets of South London shouting obscenities at black people. Youthful indescretions or the basis of his current philosophy? You pays your money...
I suspect I am not alone in expressing a sigh of relief that Farage didn't hang his star on our wagon. He should be welcome in the halls of Critical Paralysis FC. I wonder if he'll sit next to Jo Brand and Eddie Izzard? One thing is for certain, all the Brighton fans around me (I now live in Sussex by the Sea) think UKIP have just taken a hit on the South Coast.
I quite like the way Farage doesn't avoid answering a direct question which for a politician is very refreshing. However I could never vote for his party because I wholeheartedly support our membership of the EU.
As for "youthful indiscretions" as mentioned by FiveGoalSummers above. I for one think that although now maybe tempered with age those views moulded in his formative years are still very much alive.
Drinks in the Blacksmiths and know him quite well. Supports his local team, as much as I hate Palace, I always have respect for anyone supporting their local team. Being born in Greenwich I am a Charlton fan.
I'd be interested in the evidence that he was interested in football at all pre around World Cup 1990, the accepted date when football started to become fashionable among the middle classes.
Dulwich College was a rugger bugger school which considered football to be beneath its gilded youth.
Attendance at a rugby playing school doesn't automatically mean anti football. Is my memory playing tricks or didn't Battle For The Valley mention that you are an old Dunstonian?
You and Nige must be cut from the same cloth
:-)
I turned down Dulwich College, what does that make me?
I think smiley/stripey Nigel would be great to have a drink with, until, like most I now avoid, proping up bars, after a few beers have loostened their tongues, they suddenly start banging on about stuff they no little about like football....oh and Europe...:)
But those middle class fans had always been there.
More importantly by the 90s the class distinctions had become blurred. Kids from working class backgrounds were taking jobs in the city and earning big money for example.
And remember the alarming statistic about the average age in the East Stand. 53, wasn't it?
What has an average age got to do with the class background of people in the East Stand.?
he is really good at being able to flit around the notes he has in front of him, trap the interviewee into taking a position and then using another example to show hypocrisy
Destroys farage here...absolutely destroys him and farage loses it.
In the modern world of every thing being recorded sometimes you should just say solly.
The thing is detail doesn't matter at the moment. Boris got elected by folk chanting 'Boris, Boris' without much of a clue as to what he is about, he exploited a half formed sense of the zeitgeist of that moment. Nigel Farage could probably be filmed eating a baby sandwich tomorrow, and UKIP would still storm it at the election next Thursday, because he has managed to catch hold of a moment in time and exploit it for all it is worth. There is a debate to be had about whether the infrastructure of Britain can cope with the influx of enough people to create a moderate sized city each year, that debate is lost in a miasma of dim witted and uninformed sloganeering where finer detail is not relevant. Mind you it would be quite a laugh if the 2 million British people living in Europe at the moment all returned to this country this year, I wonder how that would play out against the apparent principle of the UKIP argument.
James O'Brien is an exceptionally talented interviewer, his timing is impeccable because he waits for the interviewee to go down a cul-de-sac and then blocks them getting out of it.
Farage is a rank opportunist and fear monger, preying on people's fears and anxieties and their worst instincts - the more spotlight he gets the better because people will see him for what he really is.
Sure, he will win big at the European elections - on minuscule turnout - but that's great because once the UKIP freak show is out in the open then the fun really gets to start.
Maybe it's just me. I don't think he got battered as much as people think.
Sure, the type of person who already doesn't like Farage will enjoy him getting tied up in knots and having the conversation tilted on him, but the type of person who thinks they're unfairly treated - bullied, even - will see exactly that. Some jumped-up intellectual distracting from the "real message" UKIP are making.
I'm going to raise the quality of political discourse on this thread by saying just this; Farage is a gob-shite. Anyone who thinks this bloke or his shower of cranks offers an 'alternative' needs working on.
Inclined to agree. The more I hear from him the less I like. Its always easier to throw stones from the outside than when in power but UKIP offer nothing. Throw backs. Lets have some policies on what you would do in power first please. Either they dont have any or they are hiding the intellectuals in the party very well.
I saw the UKIP PPB last week. 3 or 4 selected token ethnics somehow legitimising their views..that is so out of date and rank propaganda
my oldest mate is a big fan. Went to a "rally" a couple of weeks ago as well, said it was alright because "there were black people there too". Known him since we were 2... dont think i'm going to be able to shake him.
my oldest mate is a big fan. Went to a "rally" a couple of weeks ago as well, said it was alright because "there were black people there too". Known him since we were 2... dont think i'm going to be able to shake him.
I think that's the first time I've seen a Palace match described as a "rally"
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And remember the alarming statistic about the average age in the East Stand. 53, wasn't it?
Anyway, I just caught up with Have I got News for You, where Farage was a guest. After that, I still don't believe that in 1982, Nigel Farage had spent any time at all at Selhurst Park. If I'm proved wrong, I'll apologise.
Gonna get my vote and shut down the trough that all those self serving euro bstds are eating from
I went to St Joseph's Blackheath and that was previously a Grammar school and was massive on rugby, I was/am a lightweight and had zero interest in rugby , although as a tricky footballer I could jink past a fat rugby player with ease
First term there we had to play it , second term there of say 100 kids 20 chose rugby 80 football for the games option, there had to be 50 in each section ..... They then gave everyone a number who'd chosen football and drew numbers out the hat to move them across to rugby , when the last kid was moved across and it wasn't me I was so pleased I punched the air with joy
Mr fucking Bacon the rugby teacher saw this and moved me across to rugby for the next term , I was in tears, broken and from there on in I have the most irrational bitter hatred of rugby union that is possible , I want England to lose all rugby matches , I don't want the kids of this country to play it , football is our game
I childishly talk the game down to my sons and rugby balls that turn up soon mysteriously disappear , yes I'm bitter , weird and warped.
As for the politics , shamefully I leave that to the grown ups and the last time I voted was for the Valley Party , one day I may grow up but I very much doubt it .
Director
Charlton Athletic Football Club
January 2014 – Present (5 months)London, United Kingdom
Legal and International Relations Manager
Standard de Liège
September 2013 – Present (9 months)
Associate
Baker & McKenzie
March 2013 – October 2013 (8 months)Brussels Area, Belgium
OlswangAssociate
Olswang
March 2011 – February 2013 (2 years)
Competition and Regulatory Group
White & CaseTrainee
White & Case
September 2010 – February 2011 (6 months)
Stagiaire
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer
April 2010 – August 2010 (5 months)
Stagiaire
European Commission (DG COMP)
October 2009 – February 2010 (5 months)
Stagiaire
Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer
September 2008 – August 2009 (1 year)
I suspect I am not alone in expressing a sigh of relief that Farage didn't hang his star on our wagon. He should be welcome in the halls of Critical Paralysis FC. I wonder if he'll sit next to Jo Brand and Eddie Izzard? One thing is for certain, all the Brighton fans around me (I now live in Sussex by the Sea) think UKIP have just taken a hit on the South Coast.
As for "youthful indiscretions" as mentioned by FiveGoalSummers above. I for one think that although now maybe tempered with age those views moulded in his formative years are still very much alive.
I mean, if you really wanted to discredit someone what could be worse than labelling them a palace fan?
I think smiley/stripey Nigel would be great to have a drink with, until, like most I now avoid, proping up bars, after a few beers have loostened their tongues, they suddenly start banging on about stuff they no little about like football....oh and Europe...:)
Came across as a bit of a fool in this.
Thanks just watched it . I don't think I have ever seen a politician so out of his depth.
The end bit when his spin doctor and 'friend in the media and political classes' ex Express hack Patrick O'Flynn tries to rescue him is priceless.
he is really good at being able to flit around the notes he has in front of him, trap the interviewee into taking a position and then using another example to show hypocrisy
Destroys farage here...absolutely destroys him and farage loses it.
In the modern world of every thing being recorded sometimes you should just say solly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27439164
Boris got elected by folk chanting 'Boris, Boris' without much of a clue as to what he is about, he exploited a half formed sense of the zeitgeist of that moment.
Nigel Farage could probably be filmed eating a baby sandwich tomorrow, and UKIP would still storm it at the election next Thursday, because he has managed to catch hold of a moment in time and exploit it for all it is worth.
There is a debate to be had about whether the infrastructure of Britain can cope with the influx of enough people to create a moderate sized city each year, that debate is lost in a miasma of dim witted and uninformed sloganeering where finer detail is not relevant.
Mind you it would be quite a laugh if the 2 million British people living in Europe at the moment all returned to this country this year, I wonder how that would play out against the apparent principle of the UKIP argument.
Farage is a rank opportunist and fear monger, preying on people's fears and anxieties and their worst instincts - the more spotlight he gets the better because people will see him for what he really is.
Sure, he will win big at the European elections - on minuscule turnout - but that's great because once the UKIP freak show is out in the open then the fun really gets to start.
Sure, the type of person who already doesn't like Farage will enjoy him getting tied up in knots and having the conversation tilted on him, but the type of person who thinks they're unfairly treated - bullied, even - will see exactly that. Some jumped-up intellectual distracting from the "real message" UKIP are making.
Inclined to agree. The more I hear from him the less I like. Its always easier to throw stones from the outside than when in power but UKIP offer nothing. Throw backs. Lets have some policies on what you would do in power first please. Either they dont have any or they are hiding the intellectuals in the party very well.
I saw the UKIP PPB last week. 3 or 4 selected token ethnics somehow legitimising their views..that is so out of date and rank propaganda