I'd happily keep him. When he's good he's really good. An improvement on what we've had over recent times
Would be more than happy to keep him... Trouble is he's not a hollywood player - He is the type to keep probing by playing short quick passes rather than switching player from left to right etc... with long balls - He's a great penalty taker and doesnt score brilliant goals like Tony Watt running through defenders or from distance like JBG - He isnt the best of tacklers but he's the one player with the sense to take out a player and give a meaningless free-kick rather than give them space to shoot
I've compared him in the past to a Paul Scholes at Championship level but he's also like Michael Carrick, people moan when he's playing because it doesnt look like he's doing anything but when he isnt playing you notice the difference... Of course Yoni has been out of form lately but hopefully whatever issues there were have now been cleared up between him and Luzon
Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick? More like Jerome Thomas and Darren Ambrose, decent technically but bottles challenges every game and when the going gets tough he hides and isn't someone you want around. Won't be upset to see the back of him.
When it comes to passing he's our version of Paul Scholes (i.e. keeps it tidy and keeps things ticking)... Unfortunately he's also our version of Paul Scholes when it comes to tackling (i.e. when you see him try to tackle you know its more often than not gonna end up worse for us)
As I said the other day he's a Racon type of player for me, tidy on the ball, looks good when it's going well, but with no real stand out area of his game. I'd rather we saw what else was out there before bringing him in permanently.
Reminds me of when we had Bessone at left back, did well enough and would have been a decent permanent signing, but Wiggins turned out to be one of our best players the following season.
I've stated this before... In the sense of Paul Scholes is that Buyens can pass the ball but if you want someone to tackle and come away with the ball cleanly then you dont want it being him (i.e. how it was with Scholes all those years)
Again am not comparing Buyens to Carrick am comparing the fact that if a player doesnt play hollywood football then they're regarded by many as "crap" when in truth they're simply doing the dirty work
Scholes can't tackle must be be one of the biggest myths of recent times. He knew exactly what he was doing. World class player who could pass, score and tackle. And take a player out too when he wanted to.
More interesting is that Yoni confirms that there was a falling out with Luzon.
Credit to Guy that he patched it up when he got here but it was clearly serious enough for Buyens to leave on loan.
I've stated this before... In the sense of Paul Scholes is that Buyens can pass the ball but if you want someone to tackle and come away with the ball cleanly then you dont want it being him (i.e. how it was with Scholes all those years)
Again am not comparing Buyens to Carrick am comparing the fact that if a player doesnt play hollywood football then they're regarded by many as "crap" when in truth they're simply doing the dirty work
I get that you can have a midfielder like that but I'm just not convinced we couldn't bring in someone that does similar things but has a bit more to their game. Poyet played a similar role last season but he was stronger in the tackle and generally looked more like a player that could step up to the Prem in future.
Buyens main weakness for me is mental - perhaps it's just the way he plays or maybe it's a confidence thing but I still think he's capable of a lot more if he really applied himself. At the moment he hassles and harries and keeps it simple but there's enough about him that I reckon he could physically dominate a midfield when backed up by Cousins (or Diarra?) bringing the muscle and athleticism to let him play a bit, maybe carry the ball downfield with him and take people on for a loose ball instead of waiting for them to win it then nick it off their feet.
What he does, he does well, but he could do more for me. I'd have him back if he wanted to stay but if he started wanting really top end wages (from Charlton specifically, not the loan agreement) and not raising his game I'd say goodbye without much regret.
The pace of the championship has found Buyens out IMO. The challenge was for him was when the opposition midfield discovered that his passing is not so good when he is pressed. Not sure if he has managed to get over that and looks uncomfortable. That and not allegedly getting on with Luzon and it is no surprise he looks to be returning to Liege. Hopefully the experience of the Championship will make him a better player and he has helped Charlton stay in the Championship this season.
It's OK. Maybe there will be a space for a forward playing midfield player to complement Cousins next season. Not sure if Le Point is that identified candidate or not. Buyens has been an Ok midfielder and has been of sufficient standard but he has not got us to forget about Diego Poyet. I'll always remember him for taking a decent penalty.
When it comes to passing he's our version of Paul Scholes (i.e. keeps it tidy and keeps things ticking)... Unfortunately he's also our version of Paul Scholes when it comes to tackling (i.e. when you see him try to tackle you know its more often than not gonna end up worse for us)
As I said the other day he's a Racon type of player for me, tidy on the ball, looks good when it's going well, but with no real stand out area of his game. I'd rather we saw what else was out there before bringing him in permanently.
Reminds me of when we had Bessone at left back, did well enough and would have been a decent permanent signing, but Wiggins turned out to be one of our best players the following season.
Obviously don't get to see him every week, but from the odd live feed and highlights package I'd say we can realistically do better that Buyens and will need to if we want to push for promotion. Don't think he's significantly better than Jacko. Different strengths and weaknesses but overall about the same level.
Didn't he say when we signed him he was a box to box player? Shows how much slower the game is in Belgium if that's true because he doesn't seem to have been able to play that way in England. Good penalty taker but not a significant goal threat and not really a standout defensive screen either. If he stays, I hope it's as backup to a better player yet to arrive at the club. Cousins and Poyet both better than him and came through our academy recently and Buyens has been outplayed by a lot of opponents this year so while he's been alright we can realistically do better, even while in tne Championship.
Some interesting stats i'll bring up regardless whether people rate Buyens or not.
There are only 4 league games Buyens hasn't played in. Of these 4 games we lost 3 and drew the other with no wins.
We have only lost 6 league games where Buyens has played.
Personally I feel we are a better team with him than without him and would be more than happy for us to sign him permanently in the summer.
Who were the games against and who replaced him in these? Probably had JC out in the wrong position too, and maybe Hendo out (of which never helps us when we want to win!).
I'm not his biggest fan but that's just because I'd like anyone playing centre park getting stuck in with hard hitting tackles, he's similar to Diego in his movement and passing, just not the tackling.
On a serious note: Yoni Buyens is NOT, I repeat NOT a very creative midfielder. He's someone who likes to tackle, capture the ball, get into the box. He is not Fabregas or Özil who will solve all of your problems.
As a player Buyens is a typical central midfielder, very good defensively, excellent workrate, physical team player, good stamina, fighting spirit and tackle, goes forward from time to time with a decent shot at goal as well. He lacks some creativity though, he's not supergood in technical skills and he could do better taking initiave sometimes. He is basicly the kind of central midfielder that does the dirty jobs for the more creative players around him. "
Good move. I've seen him playing several times with Sl. Not the most creative player but always gives 100%. I think the championship will suit him well
Box to box player? He had one shot, no goals no assists in 584mins of football in the Europa League. That's almost 10hours of football, one shot. Not my description of a box to box player but I'm only going by stats.
Played 258 games total in his career including Belgium U19, U20, U21 (alot for a 26 year old) and scored 18 goals. Looks to be a good player but from stats and highlights not the most box to box player I've ever set eyes o
Some interesting stats i'll bring up regardless whether people rate Buyens or not.
There are only 4 league games Buyens hasn't played in. Of these 4 games we lost 3 and drew the other with no wins.
We have only lost 6 league games where Buyens has played.
Personally I feel we are a better team with him than without him and would be more than happy for us to sign him permanently in the summer.
Who were the games against and who replaced him in these? Probably had JC out in the wrong position too, and maybe Hendo out (of which never helps us when we want to win!).
I'm not his biggest fan but that's just because I'd like anyone playing centre park getting stuck in with hard hitting tackles, he's similar to Diego in his movement and passing, just not the tackling.
His fitness and work rate can't be questioned
The 4 league games he missed were Fulham (a). The midfield was Wilson, Cousins, Jackson, Bulot, Moussa Ipswich (h). The midfield was JBG, Coquelin, Jackson, Cousins, Harriott Forest (a). The midfield was JBG, Coquelin, Jackson, Cousins, Harriott Brighton (h). The midfield was Wilson, Cousins, Jackson, JBG
I nearly included Brentford at home but I remembered he came on at half time so these are the only 4 according to the programme I believe Buyens has missed.
I can't remember where JC would have played in those games.
Henderson played in the Fulham game but missed the other 3. I expect similar analysis for Henderson would prove even more startling results. In fact at a quick glance we have only lost 3 league games all season when Henderson has been in goal! Also Henderson has only played in 21 league games of which 10 have been won!
Agreed Buyens isn't a hard hitting tackler in the middle, I guess that's where ideally Cousins can do that role while Buyens can ping the passes around, of which he is usually very accurate at least which is equally as important to me for a CM as you might want to see tackling from a CM, that's the way I look at it anyway.
I'd happily keep him. I think a lot of what he does goes unnoticed and alongside Cousins they compliment each other well. Can't believe someone likened him to Racon, unbelievable.
Well I wouldn't count on him staying with us. He was quite open in that interview on Friday. His plan seems to be to go back to Liege and run out his contract (summer of 2016) as that would give him 'lots of perspectives'.
Surely as an ambitious man, he'd want to stay in this league and possibly beyond because it offers better grounds, better atmospheres and higher attendances.
Some interesting stats i'll bring up regardless whether people rate Buyens or not.
There are only 4 league games Buyens hasn't played in. Of these 4 games we lost 3 and drew the other with no wins.
We have only lost 6 league games where Buyens has played.
Personally I feel we are a better team with him than without him and would be more than happy for us to sign him permanently in the summer.
And we only won one of the 5 games Coquelin played in.
He's not a bad player and he's played his part this season but why not see if we can sign someone better in the summer? That player might even be here in Diarra.
I'd happily keep him. I think a lot of what he does goes unnoticed and alongside Cousins they compliment each other well. Can't believe someone likened him to Racon, unbelievable.
I did but the comparison was only in playing style, I wasn't suggesting Buyens can't play in the Championship.
Both comfortable on the ball, tidy in possession, happy to sit back but not particularly creative passers, goalscorers or tough tacklers.
"Buyens bashing"? Where's that? I don't think anyone is saying he's a poor player, it's just that some don't rate him as high as others.
Not necessarily you Scoham, but there's a few on here that would still find ways to moan about everything associated to him, even if he scored 4 goals, whilst saving a kid from drowning and fetching a kitten from being stuck in a tree, before ripping off his shirt to show off a 2 foot charlton tattoo on his chest, and then let us all have a go on his lady in the centre circle.
Just annoys me as they are usually the same people that will blow smoke up another players arse just because he is homegrown, or because he once cut his head in an aerial challenge
"Buyens bashing"? Where's that? I don't think anyone is saying he's a poor player, it's just that some don't rate him as high as others.
Not necessarily you Scoham, but there's a few on here that would still find ways to moan about everything associated to him, even if he scored 4 goals, whilst saving a kid from drowning and fetching a kitten from being stuck in a tree, before ripping off his shirt to show off a 2 foot charlton tattoo on his chest, and then let us all have a go on his lady in the centre circle.
Just annoys me as they are usually the same people that will blow smoke up another players arse just because he is homegrown, or because he once cut his head in an aerial challenge
Who are you talking about ? Sounds like a made up gripe. Not sure, I am seeing too many posters here doing what you saying. Some evidence would be good.
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- He is the type to keep probing by playing short quick passes rather than switching player from left to right etc... with long balls
- He's a great penalty taker and doesnt score brilliant goals like Tony Watt running through defenders or from distance like JBG
- He isnt the best of tacklers but he's the one player with the sense to take out a player and give a meaningless free-kick rather than give them space to shoot
I've compared him in the past to a Paul Scholes at Championship level but he's also like Michael Carrick, people moan when he's playing because it doesnt look like he's doing anything but when he isnt playing you notice the difference... Of course Yoni has been out of form lately but hopefully whatever issues there were have now been cleared up between him and Luzon
As I said the other day he's a Racon type of player for me, tidy on the ball, looks good when it's going well, but with no real stand out area of his game. I'd rather we saw what else was out there before bringing him in permanently.
Reminds me of when we had Bessone at left back, did well enough and would have been a decent permanent signing, but Wiggins turned out to be one of our best players the following season.
Again am not comparing Buyens to Carrick am comparing the fact that if a player doesnt play hollywood football then they're regarded by many as "crap" when in truth they're simply doing the dirty work
More interesting is that Yoni confirms that there was a falling out with Luzon.
Credit to Guy that he patched it up when he got here but it was clearly serious enough for Buyens to leave on loan.
What he does, he does well, but he could do more for me. I'd have him back if he wanted to stay but if he started wanting really top end wages (from Charlton specifically, not the loan agreement) and not raising his game I'd say goodbye without much regret.
It's OK. Maybe there will be a space for a forward playing midfield player to complement Cousins next season. Not sure if Le Point is that identified candidate or not. Buyens has been an Ok midfielder and has been of sufficient standard but he has not got us to forget about Diego Poyet. I'll always remember him for taking a decent penalty.
Didn't he say when we signed him he was a box to box player? Shows how much slower the game is in Belgium if that's true because he doesn't seem to have been able to play that way in England. Good penalty taker but not a significant goal threat and not really a standout defensive screen either. If he stays, I hope it's as backup to a better player yet to arrive at the club. Cousins and Poyet both better than him and came through our academy recently and Buyens has been outplayed by a lot of opponents this year so while he's been alright we can realistically do better, even while in tne Championship.
There are only 4 league games Buyens hasn't played in. Of these 4 games we lost 3 and drew the other with no wins.
We have only lost 6 league games where Buyens has played.
Personally I feel we are a better team with him than without him and would be more than happy for us to sign him permanently in the summer.
I'm not his biggest fan but that's just because I'd like anyone playing centre park getting stuck in with hard hitting tackles, he's similar to Diego in his movement and passing, just not the tackling.
His fitness and work rate can't be questioned
However, it looks like this was most spot-on assessment from the summer:
Ipswich (h). The midfield was JBG, Coquelin, Jackson, Cousins, Harriott
Forest (a). The midfield was JBG, Coquelin, Jackson, Cousins, Harriott
Brighton (h). The midfield was Wilson, Cousins, Jackson, JBG
I nearly included Brentford at home but I remembered he came on at half time so these are the only 4 according to the programme I believe Buyens has missed.
I can't remember where JC would have played in those games.
Henderson played in the Fulham game but missed the other 3. I expect similar analysis for Henderson would prove even more startling results. In fact at a quick glance we have only lost 3 league games all season when Henderson has been in goal! Also Henderson has only played in 21 league games of which 10 have been won!
Agreed Buyens isn't a hard hitting tackler in the middle, I guess that's where ideally Cousins can do that role while Buyens can ping the passes around, of which he is usually very accurate at least which is equally as important to me for a CM as you might want to see tackling from a CM, that's the way I look at it anyway.
He's not a bad player and he's played his part this season but why not see if we can sign someone better in the summer? That player might even be here in Diarra. I did but the comparison was only in playing style, I wasn't suggesting Buyens can't play in the Championship.
Both comfortable on the ball, tidy in possession, happy to sit back but not particularly creative passers, goalscorers or tough tacklers.
Glad to see the Buyens bashing is still going strong, personally I can't fault anyone with a girlfriend as hot as his wife to be, she is ridiculous
Remember a load of people laughed at me on here when I suggested he wasn't as good as Diego Poyet about 5 months back...
Just annoys me as they are usually the same people that will blow smoke up another players arse just because he is homegrown, or because he once cut his head in an aerial challenge