It messes with our moral compass this one, doesn't it. It is only right that once somebody has paid their debt to Society they be allowed to re-engage with a clean slate. I doubt anybody would complain if he got a job as a labourer for example However, as a high profile professional footballer he will attract fame and adulation from fans, not to mention a small fortune. This is what clouds the issue, as it somehow doesn't seem right to us that having committed that vile crime he should walk back into that position of privilege.
So, all those that saying he should be allowed back, imagine this:
He is not cleared at appeal. He signs for Charlton. He does well, scores some goals. Your 10 year old has a poster of him on their wall and thinks of him as their sporting hero, when you go to the family day at the beginning of the season all they want is his autograph.
No thanks. Some people don't deserve to be in positions as role models and convicted rapists are certainly included in that. I tend to go with the decision of a court who have sat through all the evidence and convicted.
First things first. Rape is a hideous crime. End of.
I am obviously no expert in the case, so I have no access to evidence for or against the crime being committed. I don't know what was presented in court.
But he has historically seemed to strongly proclaim his innocence.
Is the justice system perfect in this (or any) country? What if (IF being the key word) he wasn't guilty of the crime he was charged with? I am sure it has happened before (and in rape false accusations are more damaging to future victims than any other crime). Imagine not being able to work and having every football fan in the country hate you?
As I say, I am not aware of the complexities of the case and assuming nobody here was on the jury, neither is this board.
It's a massive debate here in Sheffield, Pig fans are divided, despite the embarrassing views on TV at Bradford.
He's was found guilty of rape in a court of law, if a teacher, doctor, or most other professional person did this I very much doubt they would be allowed to return, but Football seems to have it's own little bubble that seem to be untouchable.
He shouldn't be allowed to play again until he can prove what he states in the video, by clearing his name (his own words)
On the plus side, he could become an actor after seeing that vid.
He hasn't shown any sort of remorse ffs!! - he's trying to clear his bloody name. All he apologised for was cheating on his girlfriend. Absolutely shocking arguments from his family that critics 'don't even know anything about football' - not sure where that has anything to do with it. Any club employing him should be absolutely ashamed
I'm glad I'm not as bitter or judgmental as some on here. I hope you won't eat your words in the future when something happens to you in life that you regret and want forgiveness for so you can move on with your life. I like to look for the good in people and I think most people are inherently good rather than bad.... but we can all make mistakes.
Ched Evans has served his sentence. He still thinks it was consensual sex, hence the appeal. There are many grey areas regarding rape especially when copious amounts of alcohol are involved.
It wasn't as if he attacked and raped someone in the cold light of day, totally sober. No, they had both been drinking and had met up that night. They ended up in bed. Sound familiar anyone?
I'm not condoning rape so don't put words in my mouth (because I know that's what can happen on here) but I think not everything is as clear cut as some people think it is. And, even though he was convicted of rape in a court of law, I still think that.
I think he deserves a chance but, sadly, I don't think he will because there are a lot of unforgiving people out there.
Horrible, unrepentant scumbags - him, his girlfriend who thinks he's a role model for not facing up to what a jury and appeal review. judges all agree he did, and his mates for naming and blaming the victim, continuing to negatively influence her life.
He's not rehabilitated, why accept him back into what is undeniably a profession which influences others, in this case the next generation of football watchers? And also back into the environment which led him to commit a crime he sees little wrong with.
He wouldn't be allowed into any other position of influence - lawyer, teacher, kid's football coach etc, I think the FA should stop him doing so on this occasion, let him get a job outside the public eye.
I'm all for serving your time and being rehabilitated, but he's actively fighting that by his actions.
As it is, I hope clubs won't take him, but bet Sheffield United do.
He hasn't shown any sort of remorse ffs!! - he's trying to clear his bloody name. All he apologised for was cheating on his girlfriend. Absolutely shocking arguments from his family that critics 'don't even know anything about football' - not sure where that has anything to do with it. Any club employing him should be absolutely ashamed
Looking very likely to be Sheffield United but then again I can't say I'm surprised.
First things first. Rape is a hideous crime. End of.
I am obviously no expert in the case, so I have no access to evidence for or against the crime being committed. I don't know what was presented in court.
But he has historically seemed to strongly proclaim his innocence.
Is the justice system perfect in this (or any) country? What if (IF being the key word) he wasn't guilty of the crime he was charged with? I am sure it has happened before (and in rape false accusations are more damaging to future victims than any other crime). Imagine not being able to work and having every football fan in the country hate you?
As I say, I am not aware of the complexities of the case and assuming nobody here was on the jury, neither is this board.
Just another angle to look at it.
A pretty obtuse angle if I may say.
A jury of his peers found him guilty having listened to the evidence - I accept that, and I believe he did also as I don't recall him mounting an appeal.
As someone else has said on this thread, a football club is part of the community and a lot of that involves work with children and vulnerable adults. His conviction and the fact that he is a convicted sex offender would preclude him even from a job as a steward in a family stand - a safeguarded role. It would preclude him from representing the club with local schools. It should preclude him from playing for the club.
I'm glad I'm not as bitter or judgmental as some on here. I hope you won't eat your words in the future when something happens to you in life that you regret and want forgiveness for so you can move on with your life. I like to look for the good in people and I think most people are inherently good rather than bad.... but we can all make mistakes.
mistakes is one thing, being convicted of rape is another. I guess if your mother, sister or daughter got that drunk, went home with a man and then another man turned up to have sex with her when she was basically passed out I guess you'd shrug your shoulders and say "well, it was a mistake, oh well". Right...
This is a very tricky situation, people are quite right to point out that Evans was convicted in court but he is still strongly protesting his innocence.
So, as far as he is concerned he cannot possibly apologise, seek rehabilitation or atone for a crime he absolutely insists he did not commit.
I just don't think there are any easy answers here at all, although whoever is 'advising' him and his family are complete amateurs.
I'm glad I'm not as bitter or judgmental as some on here. I hope you won't eat your words in the future when something happens to you in life that you regret and want forgiveness for so you can move on with your life. I like to look for the good in people and I think most people are inherently good rather than bad.... but we can all make mistakes.
Ched Evans has served his sentence. He still thinks it was consensual sex, hence the appeal. There are many grey areas regarding rape especially when copious amounts of alcohol are involved.
It wasn't as if he attacked and raped someone in the cold light of day, totally sober. No, they had both been drinking and had met up that night. They ended up in bed. Sound familiar anyone?
I'm not condoning rape so don't put words in my mouth (because I know that's what can happen on here) but I think not everything is as clear cut as some people think it is. And, even though he was convicted of rape in a court of law, I still think that.
I think he deserves a chance but, sadly, I don't think he will because there are a lot of unforgiving people out there.
Just a ridiculous attitude towards rape and exactly the type which Leads to such a low rate of reporting. He's been found guilty - there's no grey about it. She was unconscious - not just a bit vague or whatever you think makes rape not particularly clear. In other professions you wouldn't be allowed back and should be same I here
There was a case on Crimewatch last week when a woman walking her dog across a park in Mansfield was approached by a man and that man violently raped that woman knowing full well he was harming her and intended to harm her. I think in Ched Evans' case he probably thought the girl had consented when she didn't and never intended to harm her.
This is a very tricky situation, people are quite right to point out that Evans was convicted in court but he is still strongly protesting his innocence.
So, as far as he is concerned he cannot possibly apologise, seek rehabilitation or atone for a crime he absolutely insists he did not commit.
I just don't think there are any easy answers here at all, although whoever is 'advising' him and his family are complete amateurs.
dumb idiots say they're innocent all the time. You just have to watch some of the absolute idiots that go on jeremey kyle, say they haven't cheated, taken a lie detector test and been lying. Yet STILL say they're innocent just because they can. I bet Ched is just going on with this appeal business and claiming he's innocent just because he's even convinced himself he is innocent.
I can keep saying that grass is red. That doesn't mean it is red because i've said it for a long time and over and over again.
Last week Nigel Clough said the club had been in talks to bring Evans back to Sheffield United. That tells me one thing. It's definite Evans will go back there. I doubt Clough would have given so much away to the public domain if Evans wasn't going to be re-signed by Sheffield United. In that case I reckon Clough would have dodged the question being asked by that person from the media.
How can he be remorseful though if he thinks he is innocent?
Ignorance shouldn't be an excuse - if he thinks there's nothing wrong with turning up to a hotel room where your mate 'has a girl' and forcing yourself on a practically (if not completely) passed out woman, he's wrong. Hopefully one day he'll see that and will be remorseful, but I won't hold my breath.
There was a case on Crimewatch last week when a woman walking her dog across a park in Mansfield was approached by a man and that man violently raped that woman knowing full well he was harming her and intended to harm her. I think in Ched Evans' case he probably thought the girl had consented when she didn't and never intended to harm her.
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It is only right that once somebody has paid their debt to Society they be allowed to re-engage with a clean slate.
I doubt anybody would complain if he got a job as a labourer for example
However, as a high profile professional footballer he will attract fame and adulation from fans, not to mention a small fortune.
This is what clouds the issue, as it somehow doesn't seem right to us that having committed that vile crime he should walk back into that position of privilege.
I thought you only got out early for being remorseful, accepting of your crime, adding some value etc - he's done none of these things.
Fuck him.
As for bringing up Luke McCormick... And what? Since when has someone getting off stupendously lightly meant everyone should.
He is not cleared at appeal. He signs for Charlton. He does well, scores some goals. Your 10 year old has a poster of him on their wall and thinks of him as their sporting hero, when you go to the family day at the beginning of the season all they want is his autograph.
No thanks. Some people don't deserve to be in positions as role models and convicted rapists are certainly included in that. I tend to go with the decision of a court who have sat through all the evidence and convicted.
Sure is a strange situation.
I am obviously no expert in the case, so I have no access to evidence for or against the crime being committed. I don't know what was presented in court.
But he has historically seemed to strongly proclaim his innocence.
Is the justice system perfect in this (or any) country? What if (IF being the key word) he wasn't guilty of the crime he was charged with? I am sure it has happened before (and in rape false accusations are more damaging to future victims than any other crime). Imagine not being able to work and having every football fan in the country hate you?
As I say, I am not aware of the complexities of the case and assuming nobody here was on the jury, neither is this board.
Just another angle to look at it.
He's was found guilty of rape in a court of law, if a teacher, doctor, or most other professional person did this I very much doubt they would be allowed to return, but Football seems to have it's own little bubble that seem to be untouchable.
He shouldn't be allowed to play again until he can prove what he states in the video, by clearing his name (his own words)
On the plus side, he could become an actor after seeing that vid.
Ched Evans has served his sentence. He still thinks it was consensual sex, hence the appeal. There are many grey areas regarding rape especially when copious amounts of alcohol are involved.
It wasn't as if he attacked and raped someone in the cold light of day, totally sober. No, they had both been drinking and had met up that night. They ended up in bed. Sound familiar anyone?
I'm not condoning rape so don't put words in my mouth (because I know that's what can happen on here) but I think not everything is as clear cut as some people think it is. And, even though he was convicted of rape in a court of law, I still think that.
I think he deserves a chance but, sadly, I don't think he will because there are a lot of unforgiving people out there.
He's not rehabilitated, why accept him back into what is undeniably a profession which influences others, in this case the next generation of football watchers? And also back into the environment which led him to commit a crime he sees little wrong with.
He wouldn't be allowed into any other position of influence - lawyer, teacher, kid's football coach etc, I think the FA should stop him doing so on this occasion, let him get a job outside the public eye.
I'm all for serving your time and being rehabilitated, but he's actively fighting that by his actions.
As it is, I hope clubs won't take him, but bet Sheffield United do.
A jury of his peers found him guilty having listened to the evidence - I accept that, and I believe he did also as I don't recall him mounting an appeal.
As someone else has said on this thread, a football club is part of the community and a lot of that involves work with children and vulnerable adults. His conviction and the fact that he is a convicted sex offender would preclude him even from a job as a steward in a family stand - a safeguarded role. It would preclude him from representing the club with local schools. It should preclude him from playing for the club.
So, as far as he is concerned he cannot possibly apologise, seek rehabilitation or atone for a crime he absolutely insists he did not commit.
I just don't think there are any easy answers here at all, although whoever is 'advising' him and his family are complete amateurs.
Leads to such a low rate of reporting. He's been found guilty - there's no grey about it. She was unconscious - not just a bit vague or whatever you think makes rape not particularly clear. In other professions you wouldn't be allowed back and should be same I here
I can keep saying that grass is red. That doesn't mean it is red because i've said it for a long time and over and over again.
No, don't stop.