Before Farage it was racist to even talk about the immigration issue. Now we have John Major and others openly saying that it needs to be controlled. Is anyone calling them racist ?
A good, factual, if rather succinct overview of the creation of the NHS. Rather telling that the circle jerk of Labour's apologists on this board have failed to respond to it, since they prefer their own fictional account of how the NHS was formed.
Fictional is the key word here. The article above does provide information but it's what it doesn't say is most telling. By way of example:
the piece say " in spite of some earlier professional opposition to some details, everybody wanted the new service to work"
The tone of the piece suggests that the medical profession and the Conservative party were a little concerned but thought it all a jolly decent idea and when the wrinkles were ironed out they thought it a good thing and wanted it to work.
The actual truth is that the opposition from both was huge and often hateful
I don't seem to be able to post the link but the is an article in the Independant called " The Birth of The NHS" that is worth a read.
A good, factual, if rather succinct overview of the creation of the NHS. Rather telling that the circle jerk of Labour's apologists on this board have failed to respond to it, since they prefer their own fictional account of how the NHS was formed.
Fictional is the key word here. The article above does provide information but it's what it doesn't say is most telling. By way of example:
the piece say " in spite of some earlier professional opposition to some details, everybody wanted the new service to work"
The tone of the piece suggests that the medical profession and the Conservative party were a little concerned but thought it all a jolly decent idea and when the wrinkles were ironed out they thought it a good thing and wanted it to work.
The actual truth is that the opposition from both was huge and often hateful
I don't seem to be able to post the link but the is an article in the Independant called " The Birth of The NHS" that is worth a read.
As it has been clarified before, the doctors and MPs that raised concerns were not in opposition to a national health service, and in fact broadly supported Beveridge's recommendations. What they opposed was the politicisation of the nation's health facilities that would bring all medical personnel and capital under the control of a single minister. This has proven to have been a legitimate concern as time and time again the Ministry of Health has proven itself unfit to manage without insidious political influence damaging its ability to run the NHS. Of course this runs counter to the narrative some people on here have been weaving that the Tories opposed the NHS because they hate poor people or were against nationalisation.
A good, factual, if rather succinct overview of the creation of the NHS. Rather telling that the circle jerk of Labour's apologists on this board have failed to respond to it, since they prefer their own fictional account of how the NHS was formed.
Fictional is the key word here. The article above does provide information but it's what it doesn't say is most telling. By way of example:
the piece say " in spite of some earlier professional opposition to some details, everybody wanted the new service to work"
The tone of the piece suggests that the medical profession and the Conservative party were a little concerned but thought it all a jolly decent idea and when the wrinkles were ironed out they thought it a good thing and wanted it to work.
The actual truth is that the opposition from both was huge and often hateful
I don't seem to be able to post the link but the is an article in the Independant called " The Birth of The NHS" that is worth a read.
As it has been clarified before, the doctors and MPs that raised concerns were not in opposition to a national health service, and in fact broadly supported Beveridge's recommendations. What they opposed was the politicisation of the nation's health facilities that would bring all medical personnel and capital under the control of a single minister. This has proven to have been a legitimate concern as time and time again the Ministry of Health has proven itself unfit to manage without insidious political influence damaging its ability to run the NHS. Of course this runs counter to the narrative some people on here have been weaving that the Tories opposed the NHS because they hate poor people or were against nationalisation.
Or may be they don't want to enter in to further rather nasty discourse with a passive aggressive right wing forum bully?
By the way I am a Labour Partyy member and I am fiercely proud of Labour and not apologetic at all. Yes like all parties Labour has made mistakes however personally I think all of the big parties in this country have achieved a great deal in certain areas and all have something to be proud off.
Your re - writing of history re the NHS reminds me of Winston Smith in the MiniTruth.
Please find me a single shred of evidence that the majority of doctors and MPs who opposed Labour's bill were doing so because they opposed the creation of a national health service as set out in Beveridge's recommendations.
Also I do appreciate the irony of accusations of being a right-wing bully when
a) I've never voted for a right-wing party despite ample opportunity to do so
b) I get nothing but baseless abuse for simply stating historical facts. Your attempts to subvert discussion by attacking me rather than anything addressed in my posts could be construed as bullying.
Did you not think that that quote came from somewhere else. Like maybe a book about politics in 1945?
And you seem to have "forgotten" that what isn't disputed is that YOU got you stuff from that website and what you cut and pasted was quickly trashed by the people making comments on that site.
Have a view for sure but at least let it be your own view not something you've copied off the internet.
Going to accept that you were wrong about elections during the war as well? No, though not.
Before Farage it was racist to even talk about the immigration issue. Now we have John Major and others openly saying that it needs to be controlled. Is anyone calling them racist ?
I think the biggest turning point, was when Gordon Brown, met that old lady in Rochdale.
He returned to his car forgetting his mic was still on and told everyone in ear shot (and us) that she was a bigot.
He was finally shown up for his real thoughts.
Plus, another Labour supporter, perhaps MP, who confirmed ,that it was a deliberate policy to "rub the Tories noses in it" and because they assumed more immigrants would be voting labour.
Finally, there has been a number of questions put to immigrants, black, brown or white and very many have expressed their concerns on the level of immigration, they feel that it is too high and needs to be addressed. There opinions seem to be little different to many others.
A good, factual, if rather succinct overview of the creation of the NHS. Rather telling that the circle jerk of Labour's apologists on this board have failed to respond to it, since they prefer their own fictional account of how the NHS was formed.
Fictional is the key word here. The article above does provide information but it's what it doesn't say is most telling. By way of example:
the piece say " in spite of some earlier professional opposition to some details, everybody wanted the new service to work"
The tone of the piece suggests that the medical profession and the Conservative party were a little concerned but thought it all a jolly decent idea and when the wrinkles were ironed out they thought it a good thing and wanted it to work.
The actual truth is that the opposition from both was huge and often hateful
I don't seem to be able to post the link but the is an article in the Independant called " The Birth of The NHS" that is worth a read.
As it has been clarified before, the doctors and MPs that raised concerns were not in opposition to a national health service, and in fact broadly supported Beveridge's recommendations. What they opposed was the politicisation of the nation's health facilities that would bring all medical personnel and capital under the control of a single minister. This has proven to have been a legitimate concern as time and time again the Ministry of Health has proven itself unfit to manage without insidious political influence damaging its ability to run the NHS. Of course this runs counter to the narrative some people on here have been weaving that the Tories opposed the NHS because they hate poor people or were against nationalisation.
Or may be they don't want to enter in to further rather nasty discourse with a passive aggressive right wing forum bully?
By the way I am a Labour Partyy member and I am fiercely proud of Labour and not apologetic at all. Yes like all parties Labour has made mistakes however personally I think all of the big parties in this country have achieved a great deal in certain areas and all have something to be proud off.
Your re - writing of history re the NHS reminds me of Winston Smith in the MiniTruth.
How is it bullying? Because he disagrees with you? As far as I can see fiish is the only one who's provided any evidence bedsides his own opinion.
Please find me a single shred of evidence that the majority of doctors and MPs who opposed Labour's bill were doing so because they opposed the creation of a national health service as set out in Beveridge's recommendations.
Also I do appreciate the irony of accusations of being a right-wing bully when
a) I've never voted for a right-wing party despite ample opportunity to do so
b) I get nothing but baseless abuse for simply stating historical facts. Your attempts to subvert discussion by attacking me rather than anything addressed in my posts could be construed as bullying.
You walk like a duck, quack like a duck and are probably ..... a duck!
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
Now I've lost the argument I will insult myself.......... You are an evil Laboir apologist IAgree! Bloody lefty!
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
Now I've lost the argument I will insult myself.......... You are an evil Laboir apologist IAgree! Bloody lefty!
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.
They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.
Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?
A good, factual, if rather succinct overview of the creation of the NHS. Rather telling that the circle jerk of Labour's apologists on this board have failed to respond to it, since they prefer their own fictional account of how the NHS was formed.
Fictional is the key word here. The article above does provide information but it's what it doesn't say is most telling. By way of example:
the piece say " in spite of some earlier professional opposition to some details, everybody wanted the new service to work"
The tone of the piece suggests that the medical profession and the Conservative party were a little concerned but thought it all a jolly decent idea and when the wrinkles were ironed out they thought it a good thing and wanted it to work.
The actual truth is that the opposition from both was huge and often hateful
I don't seem to be able to post the link but the is an article in the Independant called " The Birth of The NHS" that is worth a read.
As it has been clarified before, the doctors and MPs that raised concerns were not in opposition to a national health service, and in fact broadly supported Beveridge's recommendations. What they opposed was the politicisation of the nation's health facilities that would bring all medical personnel and capital under the control of a single minister. This has proven to have been a legitimate concern as time and time again the Ministry of Health has proven itself unfit to manage without insidious political influence damaging its ability to run the NHS. Of course this runs counter to the narrative some people on here have been weaving that the Tories opposed the NHS because they hate poor people or were against nationalisation.
Or may be they don't want to enter in to further rather nasty discourse with a passive aggressive right wing forum bully?
By the way I am a Labour Partyy member and I am fiercely proud of Labour and not apologetic at all. Yes like all parties Labour has made mistakes however personally I think all of the big parties in this country have achieved a great deal in certain areas and all have something to be proud off.
Your re - writing of history re the NHS reminds me of Winston Smith in the MiniTruth.
How is it bullying? Because he disagrees with you? As far as I can see fiish is the only one who's provided any evidence bedsides his own opinion.
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.
They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.
Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?
OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.
They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.
Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?
OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION
Has anyone actually said that though?
Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been. First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely. Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously. Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.
So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.
They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.
Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?
OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION
The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!
Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?
I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.
They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.
Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?
OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION
Has anyone actually said that though?
Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been. First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely. Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously. Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.
So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.
They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.
Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?
OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION
The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!
Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?
I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.
They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.
Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?
OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION
Has anyone actually said that though?
Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been. First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely. Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously. Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.
So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.
They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.
Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?
OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION
The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!
Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?
I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.
At least when The Tories knife Dave in the back we can look forward to some serious entertainment when Boris takes the reigns regardless of how barking mad the policies are. I can't wait.
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Green?
You up for starting our own party?
Now we have John Major and others openly saying that it needs to be controlled.
Is anyone calling them racist ?
Not for me,I'm afraid!
I would love to start our own party, AUN, but what on earth could we call it?
The Valley party perhaps?
PS Good to see children in need raising record millions in these hard times.
the piece say " in spite of some earlier professional opposition to some details, everybody wanted the new service to work"
The tone of the piece suggests that the medical profession and the Conservative party were a little concerned but thought it all a jolly decent idea and when the wrinkles were ironed out they thought it a good thing and wanted it to work.
The actual truth is that the opposition from both was huge and often hateful
I don't seem to be able to post the link but the is an article in the Independant called " The Birth of The NHS" that is worth a read.
By the way I am a Labour Partyy member and I am fiercely proud of Labour and not apologetic at all. Yes like all parties Labour has made mistakes however personally I think all of the big parties in this country have achieved a great deal in certain areas and all have something to be proud off.
Your re - writing of history re the NHS reminds me of Winston Smith in the MiniTruth.
Also I do appreciate the irony of accusations of being a right-wing bully when
a) I've never voted for a right-wing party despite ample opportunity to do so
b) I get nothing but baseless abuse for simply stating historical facts. Your attempts to subvert discussion by attacking me rather than anything addressed in my posts could be construed as bullying.
:- )
He returned to his car forgetting his mic was still on and told everyone in ear shot (and us) that she was a bigot.
He was finally shown up for his real thoughts.
Plus, another Labour supporter, perhaps MP, who confirmed ,that it was a deliberate policy to "rub the Tories noses in it" and because they assumed more immigrants would be voting labour.
Finally, there has been a number of questions put to immigrants, black, brown or white and very many have expressed their concerns on the level of immigration, they feel that it is too high and needs to be addressed.
There opinions seem to be little different to many others.
Like a three year old sticking their fingers in their ears shouting "I can't hear you".
Show us gravity apologists up!
"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.
Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."
The end.
They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.
Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?
Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.
So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.
Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?
I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.
At least when The Tories knife Dave in the back we can look forward to some serious entertainment when Boris takes the reigns regardless of how barking mad the policies are. I can't wait.