Germany ready to accept UK's exit from EU

Charlton Dan

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

He wasn't but he was 100% for spending, taxation and the borrowing plans running up to it. Then again he had "banished boom and bust" so he assumed everything would be just rosy forevermore and that nothing outside of his control would ever happen.

As you're irony alluded to. Our position was all down to Brown Balls Darling

Charlton Dan

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

Or Ed Miliband. After all more a lower % of a recent poll think he'd make a good PM than a poll of people who believe in UFOs& ghosts, Diana's death was an assassination and 911 was down to the U.S. Govt.

ShootersHillGuru

Charlton Dan said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

Or Ed Miliband. After all more a lower % of a recent poll think he'd make a good PM than a poll of people who believe in UFOs& ghosts, Diana's death was an assassination and 911 was down to the U.S. Govt.

Not sure if you know how it works. I don't think any of those questions appeared on the same poll.

Charlton Dan

ShootersHillGuru said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

At least when The Tories knife Dave in the back we can look forward to some serious entertainment when Boris takes the reigns regardless of how barking mad the policies are. I can't wait.

At least Boris can eat a bacon sarnie without his aides needing to take it away from him. If that's any reflection on Labours ability to make Govt then we should all be very afraid

ShootersHillGuru

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

At least when The Tories knife Dave in the back we can look forward to some serious entertainment when Boris takes the reigns regardless of how barking mad the policies are. I can't wait.

At least Boris can eat a bacon sarnie without his aides needing to take it away from him. If that's any reflection on Labours ability to make Govt then we should all be very afraid

Oh for fuck sake !

Charlton Dan

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

At least when The Tories knife Dave in the back we can look forward to some serious entertainment when Boris takes the reigns regardless of how barking mad the policies are. I can't wait.

At least Boris can eat a bacon sarnie without his aides needing to take it away from him. If that's any reflection on Labours ability to make Govt then we should all be very afraid

Oh for fuck sake !

I know. Imagine simply judging someone on the way he looks and occasionally conducts himself in public and not his policy decisioning. Heaven forbid!

Charlton Dan

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

Or Ed Miliband. After all more a lower % of a recent poll think he'd make a good PM than a poll of people who believe in UFOs& ghosts, Diana's death was an assassination and 911 was down to the U.S. Govt.

Not sure if you know how it works. I don't think any of those questions appeared on the same poll.

It didn't. That's why I said there were different polls.

ShootersHillGuru

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

Or Ed Miliband. After all more a lower % of a recent poll think he'd make a good PM than a poll of people who believe in UFOs& ghosts, Diana's death was an assassination and 911 was down to the U.S. Govt.

Not sure if you know how it works. I don't think any of those questions appeared on the same poll.

It didn't. That's why I said there were different polls.

Then you post was pointless wasn't it.

Dansk_Red

Or Ed Miliband. After all more a lower % of a recent poll think he'd make a good PM than a poll of people who believe in UFOs& ghosts, Diana's death was an assassination and 911 was down to the U.S. Govt.

You forgot to mention the death of Dr David Kelly.

Charlton Dan

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

Or Ed Miliband. After all more a lower % of a recent poll think he'd make a good PM than a poll of people who believe in UFOs& ghosts, Diana's death was an assassination and 911 was down to the U.S. Govt.

Not sure if you know how it works. I don't think any of those questions appeared on the same poll.

It didn't. That's why I said there were different polls.

Then you post was pointless wasn't it.

Not really. If you can't (or refuse to) grasp the signifance of this then that's down to you.

Fiiish

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

Or Ed Miliband. After all more a lower % of a recent poll think he'd make a good PM than a poll of people who believe in UFOs& ghosts, Diana's death was an assassination and 911 was down to the U.S. Govt.

Not sure if you know how it works. I don't think any of those questions appeared on the same poll.

It didn't. That's why I said there were different polls.

Then you post was pointless wasn't it.

Funny how you don't point out that every post by Henry Irving and IAgree were pointless as well, since they were all devoid of fact and irrelevant to anything being discussed. At least you've managed to remain marginally on-topic between the abuse and other nonsense you've been posting in this thread. We get it, you hate Tories, change the record son.

Fiiish

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

Or Ed Miliband. After all more a lower % of a recent poll think he'd make a good PM than a poll of people who believe in UFOs& ghosts, Diana's death was an assassination and 911 was down to the U.S. Govt.

Not sure if you know how it works. I don't think any of those questions appeared on the same poll.

It didn't. That's why I said there were different polls.

Then you post was pointless wasn't it.

Not really. If you can't (or refuse to) grasp the signifance of this then that's down to you.

I would ignore him. Unless a post directly accuses the Tories of genocide, or unless a post suggests that the Labour Party have never done anything bad ever and are perfect in every way and Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and Tony Blair aren't the great human beings alive today, he will argue with you.

ShootersHillGuru

Fiiish said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

Or Ed Miliband. After all more a lower % of a recent poll think he'd make a good PM than a poll of people who believe in UFOs& ghosts, Diana's death was an assassination and 911 was down to the U.S. Govt.

Not sure if you know how it works. I don't think any of those questions appeared on the same poll.

It didn't. That's why I said there were different polls.

Then you post was pointless wasn't it.

Not really. If you can't (or refuse to) grasp the signifance of this then that's down to you.

I would ignore him. Unless a post directly accuses the Tories of genocide, or unless a post suggests that the Labour Party have never done anything bad ever and are perfect in every way and Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and Tony Blair aren't the great human beings alive today, he will argue with you.

ShootersHillGuru

That's you that is.

Fiiish

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Charming.

That's the kind of response I'd expect from someone who has as many chromosomes as he has thumbs.

ShootersHillGuru

Fiiish said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Charming.

That's the kind of response I'd expect from someone who has as many chromosomes as he has thumbs.

Lighten up. Your really are a dour charmless nurk. Anyway I don't have any thumbs at all. I lost them in an accident. Thanks for reminding me though.

kentaddick

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Great arguements, I'm convinced. LETS HANG ALL THE TORIES

ShootersHillGuru

kentaddick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Great arguements, I'm convinced. LETS HANG ALL THE TORIES

My grandmother is a Tory

Charlton Dan

ShootersHillGuru said:

Fiiish said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

kentaddick said:

cafcfan said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

Has anyone actually said that though?

Instead, be assured that Gordon Brown, personally, WAS responsible for making the EFFECTS of the global recession worse in the UK than it could or should have been.
First, and foremost, by insisting on a "light touch regulation" for the UK's financial services sector. This meant that the regulators did not have the tools or the political backing needed to prevent fiascos like Northern Rock, Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS. Those banks' failures (particularly Northern Rock) had very little to do with the world-wide economic woes but instead were caused by their own reckless behaviour and the Govt's agencies inability to spot it or do anything about it. That can be laid right on Gordon's doorstep and it cost us hugely.
Second, the much trumpeted rescue package was not Gordon's idea as was indicated by him and stressed in his ludicrous "We've saved the world" gaffe. Instead pretty much the whole plan was thought up by the Bank of England. Gordon and his minion, Darling, nearly wrecked any chance of its success by dithering over whether or not to implement it for nearly three weeks. That delay - a very long time indeed when financial markets conduct trades in fractions of a second increased the vast costs of the operation enormously.
Third, despite spending nearly all his time in Government banging on about being "prudent", he was, of course, anything but. If he had set aside more of the huge UK tax receipts from the good years for an inevitable " rainy day", the country would have been much, much better placed to have got itself out of the mess it was in than it actually was. Instead he just pissed the money away leaving the cupboards more than bare as was illustrated by Liam Byrne's note to the incoming Chief Secretary to the Treasury: 'Dear Chief Secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." I'm sure he found it funny but the rest of us were and still are suffering from the fallout.

So, please, please, don't try to distort history by running with the "Gordon Brown was innocent" bullshit.

DiscoCAFC said:

kentaddick said:

Charlton Dan said:

IAgree said:

The NHS - What really happened!

"Many years ago an happy generous and socially aware lot called the Tories were elected after the end of the war (millions of soldiers fighting across half the globe still not apparently counting) and they imagined a lovely new Health Service and with their Doctor friends they set about setting this up, however an evil organisation called Labour" opposed them at every stage.

Eventually the NHS was born and in spite of underfunding and wage freezes from the evil Labour and generous funding and wages rises from the Tories it survived beyond its 60th anniversary."

The end.

Meanwhile also on planet Delusion the left wing voters still think that neither the Tories nor the Labour parties middle ground has had an ideological shift in 70 years and that Labour Govts invariably don't leave Govt with a worst performing economy, higher personal and corp tax rates for all levels of earners or increase unemployment levels (including youth) than those they inherited.

They also think that there's a straight choice between the NHS model and the insurance based health model in the US and therefore ignore better performing insurances based models such as in Germany.

Imagine this parallel world stupidity. How moronic would that be?

OH IM SORRY I HAD NO IDEA GORDON BROWN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR A GLOBAL RECESSION

The coalition inherited the worst deficit and public debt this country has ever known. Rising unemployment, inflation, fewer jobs and everything else was direct consequence of the actions of the previous government, are you suggesting that the economy would have U-turned under Labour? The only way it was heading was for a nosedive!!!

Here is a Labour policy that has inherited from the last goverment, they want to borrow more to get out of debt when it's constantly growing everytime. More interest payouts = more debt, what a ridiculous way to get out of debt. Would you borrow more from the bank if you were in debt?

I suppose Gordon Brown's decision to sell off the world's forth largest gold reserve costs the economy more and more billions was not his fault? Every day, that decision costs the country more money each day as gold keeps setting new record highs - by the end of the year we could be looking at an almost £20bn mistake. Not to mention he stated how much of hold he was going to sell and the date, such a basic error from the man who had the most important job in the UK when it comes to finances.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Thanks god that we have Dave at the controls.

yes, if only we had gordon brown there instead.

Or Ed Miliband. After all more a lower % of a recent poll think he'd make a good PM than a poll of people who believe in UFOs& ghosts, Diana's death was an assassination and 911 was down to the U.S. Govt.

Not sure if you know how it works. I don't think any of those questions appeared on the same poll.

It didn't. That's why I said there were different polls.

Then you post was pointless wasn't it.

Not really. If you can't (or refuse to) grasp the signifance of this then that's down to you.

I would ignore him. Unless a post directly accuses the Tories of genocide, or unless a post suggests that the Labour Party have never done anything bad ever and are perfect in every way and Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and Tony Blair aren't the great human beings alive today, he will argue with you.

Your hypocrisy is stunning

Charlton Dan

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Such an adult retort....

Charlton Dan

ShootersHillGuru said:

kentaddick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Great arguements, I'm convinced. LETS HANG ALL THE TORIES

My grandmother is a Tory

The wisdom of the older generation eh?

ShootersHillGuru

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Such an adult retort....

That's a reference to a humourous comedy sketch. I should have explained perhaps.

Charlton Dan

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Such an adult retort....

That's a reference to a humourous comedy sketch. I should have explained perhaps.

I remember it well. I was a teenager at the time.... I wouldn't use it during a political discussion due to the perception of immaturity

ShootersHillGuru

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Such an adult retort....

That's a reference to a humourous comedy sketch. I should have explained perhaps.

I remember it well. I was a teenager at the time.... I wouldn't use it during a political discussion due to the perception of immaturity

Or didn't think of it ? Anyway. Immaturity on this thread !!!! Was done long before my attempt at it.

Charlton Dan

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Such an adult retort....

That's a reference to a humourous comedy sketch. I should have explained perhaps.

I remember it well. I was a teenager at the time.... I wouldn't use it during a political discussion due to the perception of immaturity

Or didn't think of it ?

If that's what you'd prefer to assume then fill ya boots. Personally I'd see it as a further loss of credibility but you reach out and strive for that nadir.

ShootersHillGuru

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Such an adult retort....

That's a reference to a humourous comedy sketch. I should have explained perhaps.

I remember it well. I was a teenager at the time.... I wouldn't use it during a political discussion due to the perception of immaturity

Or didn't think of it ?

If that's what you'd prefer to assume then fill ya boots. Personally I'd see it as a further loss of credibility but you reach out and strive for that nadir.

At least I had it to lose ?

Rothko

I think Charlton Dan is looking for a safe tory seat again!

ShootersHillGuru

This thread is singularly responsible for all my Flags. I am encouraged.

Charlton Dan

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Charlton Dan said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

That's you that is.

Such an adult retort....

That's a reference to a humourous comedy sketch. I should have explained perhaps.

I remember it well. I was a teenager at the time.... I wouldn't use it during a political discussion due to the perception of immaturity

Or didn't think of it ?

If that's what you'd prefer to assume then fill ya boots. Personally I'd see it as a further loss of credibility but you reach out and strive for that nadir.

At least I had it to lose ?

The question mark indicates you're less than confident yourself.

This is now becoming puerile so you go ahead have the last word if it means that much to you.

ValleyGary

Some real tough talk going on lads, Millwall will be shitting themselves