Ched Evans sounds a nasty piece of work. Even in his man city days he shot the son of the family where he was boarding, with an air rifle. which man city tried to keep quiet.
where it's great to see people take the high moral ground, and some have to keep saying the same things over 27 pages,
Did you all feel the same over Mike Tyson who served 3 years of a 6 year sentence for rape. so you all refused to watch his fights when he returned in 1996, including that fight with Bruno, thought not. then the imfamous fight with holyfield when he bit a part of his ear off. what a charmer. Ok it was in the USA, but Rape makes me feel sick, if it's in England or the rest of the world.
That should be a given that doesn't need to be said.
Don't agree with what he has done , but don't the government have ways of getting people back into work, ie the ones who have commited serious crimes including rapists and murderers in trades they know or have learned while inside , is the Evans case any different ?
These people are prohibited from many jobs due to their crimes, as it stands there is nothing to stop a club taking Evans on, some of us think that's wrong.
Like Henry, I don't believe that Evans should be banned from football, but the route back is to accept responsibility, which he cannot do until he exhausts his quest for an appeal as is his right. If he loses an appeal, if it gets that far, then he should show contrition and remorse and use his status to help educate males of all ages. However prior to that, he should call off the pack of dogs that have hounded his alleged victim.
I believed until this case that you could not be out on parole (is on licence the same as parole?) unless you had accepted your guilt - obviously not the case.
Don't agree with what he has done , but don't the government have ways of getting people back into work, ie the ones who have commited serious crimes including rapists and murderers in trades they know or have learned while inside , is the Evans case any different ?
These people are prohibited from many jobs due to their crimes, as it stands there is nothing to stop a club taking Evans on, some of us think that's wrong.
So for instance if someone who was a carpenter by trade commited rape and was given a 5 year sentence and served 2 + years And was released would he be allowed to go back and be a carpenter again ?
Don't agree with what he has done , but don't the government have ways of getting people back into work, ie the ones who have commited serious crimes including rapists and murderers in trades they know or have learned while inside , is the Evans case any different ?
These people are prohibited from many jobs due to their crimes, as it stands there is nothing to stop a club taking Evans on, some of us think that's wrong.
So for instance if someone who was a carpenter by trade commited rape and was given a 5 year sentence and served 2 + years And was released would he be allowed to go back and be a carpenter again ?
I think he should have to disclose to potential clients that he is a convicted rapist
I believe many jobs should have different rules, if, like football, it puts you in a position that creates a relationship with minors or any vulnerable people it should not be allowed.
Don't agree with what he has done , but don't the government have ways of getting people back into work, ie the ones who have commited serious crimes including rapists and murderers in trades they know or have learned while inside , is the Evans case any different ?
These people are prohibited from many jobs due to their crimes, as it stands there is nothing to stop a club taking Evans on, some of us think that's wrong.
So for instance if someone who was a carpenter by trade commited rape and was given a 5 year sentence and served 2 + years And was released would he be allowed to go back and be a carpenter again ?
No, IMHO he can be a carpenter again but I wouldn't employ him if I owned a building firm and I wouldn't use a building firm who I knew employed him.
And even if someone else employed him there would be a lot of jobs he couldn't or shouldn't do such as in schools or people's homes.
So maybe he could work in a factory/workshop but not sure all of the female or male staff would be happy to have him as a colleague.
Don't agree with what he has done , but don't the government have ways of getting people back into work, ie the ones who have commited serious crimes including rapists and murderers in trades they know or have learned while inside , is the Evans case any different ?
These people are prohibited from many jobs due to their crimes, as it stands there is nothing to stop a club taking Evans on, some of us think that's wrong.
So for instance if someone who was a carpenter by trade commited rape and was given a 5 year sentence and served 2 + years And was released would he be allowed to go back and be a carpenter again ?
I think he should have to disclose to potential clients that he is a convicted rapist
I believe many jobs should have different rules, if, like football, it puts you in a position that creates a relationship with minors or any vulnerable people it should not be allowed.
Stu honestly I'm not defending him , but u haven't answered my question nothing to do with u mate just feel the legal system is a bit arse upwards .
Don't agree with what he has done , but don't the government have ways of getting people back into work, ie the ones who have commited serious crimes including rapists and murderers in trades they know or have learned while inside , is the Evans case any different ?
These people are prohibited from many jobs due to their crimes, as it stands there is nothing to stop a club taking Evans on, some of us think that's wrong.
So for instance if someone who was a carpenter by trade commited rape and was given a 5 year sentence and served 2 + years And was released would he be allowed to go back and be a carpenter again ?
I think he should have to disclose to potential clients that he is a convicted rapist
I believe many jobs should have different rules, if, like football, it puts you in a position that creates a relationship with minors or any vulnerable people it should not be allowed.
Stu honestly I'm not defending him , but u haven't answered my question nothing to do with u mate just feel the legal system is a bit arse upwards .
No worries, although I feel I did answer the question, the carpenter could work again as long as he disclosed his conviction to all potential clients.
Found out some info about Evans' girlfriends dad, which explains a lot about why Oldham are signing him.
Karl Massey, a successful businessman who runs a chain of jewellery stores in north-west England, Massey is understood to have pledged financial backing to make good any money which Oldham’s sponsors withdraw in protest. He is also ready to provide a cash incentive which will cover Evans’ wages until the end of the season. Massey has a personal connection to Oldham’s chairman and owner, Simon Corney, another Mancunian entrepreneur.
So it's pretty much a 'i'll pay you to play him' offer from this bloke.
Don't agree with what he has done , but don't the government have ways of getting people back into work, ie the ones who have commited serious crimes including rapists and murderers in trades they know or have learned while inside , is the Evans case any different ?
These people are prohibited from many jobs due to their crimes, as it stands there is nothing to stop a club taking Evans on, some of us think that's wrong.
So for instance if someone who was a carpenter by trade commited rape and was given a 5 year sentence and served 2 + years And was released would he be allowed to go back and be a carpenter again ?
I think he should have to disclose to potential clients that he is a convicted rapist
I believe many jobs should have different rules, if, like football, it puts you in a position that creates a relationship with minors or any vulnerable people it should not be allowed.
Stu honestly I'm not defending him , but u haven't answered my question nothing to do with u mate just feel the legal system is a bit arse upwards .
No worries, although I feel I did answer the question, the carpenter could work again as long as he disclosed his conviction to all potential clients.
Ok mate yeh got it cheers . Evans denies it so yes I get where u r coming from .
I am in no way defending Evans. I think he's an arrogant, vile shit that still deserves to be banged up (I hate all this half the sentence shit) but what would people's opinions be if he apologised and showed remorse? Could he then play again like Lee Hughes or the Plymouth keeper?
I am in no way defending Evans. I think he's an arrogant, vile shit that still deserves to be banged up (I hate all this half the sentence shit) but what would people's opinions be if he apologised and showed remorse? Could he then play again like Lee Hughes or the Plymouth keeper?
Don't agree with what he has done , but don't the government have ways of getting people back into work, ie the ones who have commited serious crimes including rapists and murderers in trades they know or have learned while inside , is the Evans case any different ?
These people are prohibited from many jobs due to their crimes, as it stands there is nothing to stop a club taking Evans on, some of us think that's wrong.
So for instance if someone who was a carpenter by trade commited rape and was given a 5 year sentence and served 2 + years And was released would he be allowed to go back and be a carpenter again ?
Not if it was a registered trade (PFA) or if he carried out his trade in front of women and children.
Equally would he be allowed to craft his trade in the building of a town centre band stand? Football players are paid good money to represent their clubs and communities.
Don't agree with what he has done , but don't the government have ways of getting people back into work, ie the ones who have commited serious crimes including rapists and murderers in trades they know or have learned while inside , is the Evans case any different ?
These people are prohibited from many jobs due to their crimes, as it stands there is nothing to stop a club taking Evans on, some of us think that's wrong.
So for instance if someone who was a carpenter by trade commited rape and was given a 5 year sentence and served 2 + years And was released would he be allowed to go back and be a carpenter again ?
Not if it was a registered trade (PFA) or if he carried out his trade in front of women and children.
Equally would he be allowed to craft his trade in the building of a town centre band stand? Football players are paid good money to represent their clubs and communities.
Found out some info about Evans' girlfriends dad, which explains a lot about why Oldham are signing him.
Karl Massey, a successful businessman who runs a chain of jewellery stores in north-west England, Massey is understood to have pledged financial backing to make good any money which Oldham’s sponsors withdraw in protest. He is also ready to provide a cash incentive which will cover Evans’ wages until the end of the season. Massey has a personal connection to Oldham’s chairman and owner, Simon Corney, another Mancunian entrepreneur.
So it's pretty much a 'i'll pay you to play him' offer from this bloke.
Weird situation indeed.
If some fella of my daughter had been screwing around behind her back I'd have a hard time letting him back in the house for a good while afterwards, let alone paying for his future. I wonder of he is making it as a kind of investment mortgaged against Mr Evan's future earnings.
That leads me onto my second thought on this subject (I've had others obviously but I'm not going to add much to this debate that hasn't already been said) - I'm not quite sure I understand eagerness of some clubs to sign this guy. I know he came through the Man Utd academy and Sheff U paid a fair wedge for him, but in reality he did naff all for them until he hit League 1 level and even then he only has one good season behind him at that level. His record isn't too dissimilar to someone like BWP. He's not really a world beater is he? I just don't really see why he's worth all the hassle.
Found out some info about Evans' girlfriends dad, which explains a lot about why Oldham are signing him.
Karl Massey, a successful businessman who runs a chain of jewellery stores in north-west England, Massey is understood to have pledged financial backing to make good any money which Oldham’s sponsors withdraw in protest. He is also ready to provide a cash incentive which will cover Evans’ wages until the end of the season. Massey has a personal connection to Oldham’s chairman and owner, Simon Corney, another Mancunian entrepreneur.
So it's pretty much a 'i'll pay you to play him' offer from this bloke.
Weird situation indeed.
If some fella of my daughter had been screwing around behind her back I'd have a hard time letting him back in the house for a good while afterwards, let alone paying for his future. I wonder of he is making it as a kind of investment mortgaged against Mr Evan's future earnings.
That leads me onto my second thought on this subject (I've had others obviously but I'm not going to add much to this debate that hasn't already been said) - I'm not quite sure I understand eagerness of some clubs to sign this guy. I know he came through the Man Utd academy and Sheff U paid a fair wedge for him, but in reality he did naff all for them until he hit League 1 level and even then he only has one good season behind him at that level. His record isn't too dissimilar to someone like BWP. He's not really a world beater is he? I just don't really see why he's worth all the hassle.
Well we can only hope his two plus years absence has blunted his ability that Oldham will regret their decision on all sides.
Let's not forget here, that Oldham are trying to get this news out today to hide it behind what's happened in Paris.
And that alone is utterly vile
Sky released their name the other day, clearly on purpose it seems. If they really wanted to mask it, they would have unveiled him today. So i very much doubt your opinion is true
I think the truth is even more sinister than has been reported despite the aquittal of his mate. "I've got a bird" McCormick texted and Evans was straight round for "afters". Not "I've pulled a bird and hope to have sex at my hotel. Why not pop round and because you're famous she may shag you as well." She drank a fair amount of alchohol but not neccessarily enough to be staggering. How did the two know sex was on the cards even before reaching the hotel? She never even met Evans before the deed.
His denial of rape and failure to condemn her naming and trolling by his mates makes him a pathetic human being.
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Even in his man city days he shot the son of the family where he was boarding, with an air rifle.
which man city tried to keep quiet.
where it's great to see people take the high moral ground, and some have to keep saying the same things over
27 pages,
Did you all feel the same over Mike Tyson who served 3 years of a 6 year sentence for rape.
so you all refused to watch his fights when he returned in 1996, including that fight with Bruno, thought not.
then the imfamous fight with holyfield when he bit a part of his ear off. what a charmer.
Ok it was in the USA, but Rape makes me feel sick, if it's in England or the rest of the world.
That should be a given that doesn't need to be said.
allegedvictim.I believed until this case that you could not be out on parole (is on licence the same as parole?) unless you had accepted your guilt - obviously not the case.
After his conviction best way to deal with these is to batter them
I believe many jobs should have different rules, if, like football, it puts you in a position that creates a relationship with minors or any vulnerable people it should not be allowed.
And even if someone else employed him there would be a lot of jobs he couldn't or shouldn't do such as in schools or people's homes.
So maybe he could work in a factory/workshop but not sure all of the female or male staff would be happy to have him as a colleague.
Karl Massey, a successful businessman who runs a chain of jewellery stores in north-west England, Massey is understood to have pledged financial backing to make good any money which Oldham’s sponsors withdraw in protest. He is also ready to provide a cash incentive which will cover Evans’ wages until the end of the season. Massey has a personal connection to Oldham’s chairman and owner, Simon Corney, another Mancunian entrepreneur.
So it's pretty much a 'i'll pay you to play him' offer from this bloke.
Evans denies it so yes I get where u r coming from .
Equally would he be allowed to craft his trade in the building of a town centre band stand? Football players are paid good money to represent their clubs and communities.
If I am not clear - fuck him and let him rot.
If some fella of my daughter had been screwing around behind her back I'd have a hard time letting him back in the house for a good while afterwards, let alone paying for his future. I wonder of he is making it as a kind of investment mortgaged against Mr Evan's future earnings.
That leads me onto my second thought on this subject (I've had others obviously but I'm not going to add much to this debate that hasn't already been said) - I'm not quite sure I understand eagerness of some clubs to sign this guy. I know he came through the Man Utd academy and Sheff U paid a fair wedge for him, but in reality he did naff all for them until he hit League 1 level and even then he only has one good season behind him at that level. His record isn't too dissimilar to someone like BWP. He's not really a world beater is he? I just don't really see why he's worth all the hassle.
Or Phil Babb's the post.
Or both.
And that alone is utterly vile
His denial of rape and failure to condemn her naming and trolling by his mates makes him a pathetic human being.