Mark Saggers on TalkSport made a decent point last night. He said he'd been contacted by numerous out of work footballers/free agents who have had nowhere near the amount of support that Evans is getting from the PFA
I also notice he has distanced himself from his online supporters, but rather conveniently forgets about the website that is set up and funded in his name that also shames his victim.
To be fair, although it is a bit late, he has at least said something at last.
Personally, I feel anything emanating from him now is purely generated / influenced by PR advisors.
The time to judge on genuine reaction has passed.
I know what you mean AFKA, I understand that the statement is PR advised, but a lot of argument against him has been that he hasn't made these statements. He now has. I'm as suspicious of his motives and his reasons as anyone, but he has at last made his first shift towards suggesting that he is willing to do something positive. We'll see how genuine he is in time and he may continue to be the arrogant, obnoxious prick so many of us think he is, but I'm not willing to just assume he's incapable of redemption because of his previous cuntishness.
Why choose a double negative "not least" when talking about the victim? Why not go out and make a heart felt apology (or at least a statement that creates thay impression) and talk a bit more about how the things that happened after that night were terrible
It seems to be an apology given grudgingly and with reluctance, which is no apology at all.
He would be better off accepting it because I don't think public opinion would change that radically even if he did win his appeal. People still think that behavior is unacceptable and quite rightly so.
To be fair, although it is a bit late, he has at least said something at last.
Personally, I feel anything emanating from him now is purely generated / influenced by PR advisors.
The time to judge on genuine reaction has passed.
Agree, it looks like the PFA have advised him now and helped him with his statement, he should have taken the advice earlier assuming it was offered.
I question how deeply held someone's feeling of regret are if he needs the help of a professional body to issue two lines articulating it.
I doubt being articulate on paper is going to be Ched Evans forte - contrite or not. Getting someone to write it on his behalf is the least of his evils.
This was the article from Henry Winter in the Telegraph on 5th Jan that I quoted yesterday.
""He has not apologised to the victim, who has had to change her name and residence. He has not called off the attack dogs on social media who continue to hound the victim; at the very least, Evans should distance himself from them. Evans is being supported by those who like him as a footballer, by some who believe he is a victim of a miscarriage of justice, but also by a spite‑filled rabble of misogynists.
If Evans, or his girlfriend’s father, is paying for PR advice, let’s hope they have kept the receipts. The campaign has so far been a collection of own goals, starting with the scripted statement on video which contained no hint of penitence towards the victim, no repudiation of the “I’ve got a bird” culture.
The website set up defending Evans ranges from the naive to the nasty, and it is no surprise to learn that the victim’s father has asked the Attorney General to look into it. Those seeking to ease a convicted rapist back into football should have seen all these objections and obstacles and yet they stumble on, stirring even more anger towards Evans. On Evans’s release, his lobbyists should have published a statement saying that he will focus on the continuing of the judicial process, on his appeal, before refocusing on football.
The argument that Evans cannot voice any regret because he is appealing, and it would be an admission of guilt, is specious. He can still express some regret over the way his actions that night have affected a young woman’s life. No responsibility. No respect. The stench of the “I’ve got a bird” text lingers."
Now compare that to Evans' statement today.
“I am grateful for the support of the PFA in helping me try to return to football and continue my career.
Upon legal advice, I was told not to discuss the events in question. This silence has been misinterpreted as arrogance and I would like to state that this could not be further from the truth.
I do remain limited at present by what I can say due to the ongoing referral to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and whilst I continue to maintain my innocence, I wish to make it clear that I wholeheartedly apologise for the effects that night in Rhyl has had on many people, not least the woman concerned.
Finally, it has been claimed that those using social media in an abusive and vindictive way towards this woman are supporters of mine. I wish to make it clear that these people are not my supporters and I condemn their actions entirely and will continue to do so.”
Almost as if someone has read the article and thought "Yep, that's what we need to do".
The state of play in 2015 is there is no hiding place. I said previous on this thread about Mike Tyson coming back to box in 1996 after his prison sentence. also Graham Rix ex Arsenal player and Chelsea coach who was jailed in 1999 for having sex with a minor, who was re-employed by Chelsea, and went on to manager at Portsmouth and Oxford.
This was before social media became powerful, and mass petitions on line were the norm.
If this means that Princes's and the powerful realise they are not above the Law, some good will come from this tawdry episode.
I take back what I said then, looks like the Oldham board are arseholes too.
Report on BBC radio said the board pulled out partly because of threats to Board family member that if Evans was signed their daughter would be raped. Obviously a nutter, but if that's low level twitter abuse I wouldn't like to see high level abuse.
This was the article from Henry Winter in the Telegraph on 5th Jan that I quoted yesterday.
""He has not apologised to the victim, who has had to change her name and residence. He has not called off the attack dogs on social media who continue to hound the victim; at the very least, Evans should distance himself from them. Evans is being supported by those who like him as a footballer, by some who believe he is a victim of a miscarriage of justice, but also by a spite‑filled rabble of misogynists.
If Evans, or his girlfriend’s father, is paying for PR advice, let’s hope they have kept the receipts. The campaign has so far been a collection of own goals, starting with the scripted statement on video which contained no hint of penitence towards the victim, no repudiation of the “I’ve got a bird” culture.
The website set up defending Evans ranges from the naive to the nasty, and it is no surprise to learn that the victim’s father has asked the Attorney General to look into it. Those seeking to ease a convicted rapist back into football should have seen all these objections and obstacles and yet they stumble on, stirring even more anger towards Evans. On Evans’s release, his lobbyists should have published a statement saying that he will focus on the continuing of the judicial process, on his appeal, before refocusing on football.
The argument that Evans cannot voice any regret because he is appealing, and it would be an admission of guilt, is specious. He can still express some regret over the way his actions that night have affected a young woman’s life. No responsibility. No respect. The stench of the “I’ve got a bird” text lingers."
Now compare that to Evans' statement today.
“I am grateful for the support of the PFA in helping me try to return to football and continue my career.
Upon legal advice, I was told not to discuss the events in question. This silence has been misinterpreted as arrogance and I would like to state that this could not be further from the truth.
I do remain limited at present by what I can say due to the ongoing referral to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and whilst I continue to maintain my innocence, I wish to make it clear that I wholeheartedly apologise for the effects that night in Rhyl has had on many people, not least the woman concerned.
Finally, it has been claimed that those using social media in an abusive and vindictive way towards this woman are supporters of mine. I wish to make it clear that these people are not my supporters and I condemn their actions entirely and will continue to do so.”
Almost as if someone has read the article and thought "Yep, that's what we need to do".
The "I've got a bird" culture may be morally dubious, but probably similar to the actions of 100s of young footballers on a night out. Which explains the complete silence in the matter from other players who can probably remember similar nights out in Shagaluf...
It depends on the basis of why it has gone to the review board. I thought I had read somewhere that there was a question about the evidence (either wrongfully interpreted or new evidence). We can't really judge the likelihood of success as we don't have the facts.
It depends on the basis of why it has gone to the review board. I thought I had read somewhere that there was a question about the evidence (either wrongfully interpreted or new evidence). We can't really judge the likelihood of success as we don't have the facts.
Im sure someone on here described the current state of his appeal as akin to knocking on the Court of Appeals' door and saying "oh please could you find me not guilty!?"
It depends on the basis of why it has gone to the review board. I thought I had read somewhere that there was a question about the evidence (either wrongfully interpreted or new evidence). We can't really judge the likelihood of success as we don't have the facts.
Im sure someone on here described the current state of his appeal as akin to knocking on the Court of Appeals' door and saying "oh please could you find me not guilty!?"
I think you have to have some grounds for asking for a review, that is not to say they will grant it.
We have already gone over how you cant compare two crimes so lets not go there again. But nothing of the sort happened when child killer Luke McCormack came back.
We have already gone over how you cant compare two crimes so lets not go there again. But nothing of the sort happened when child killer Luke McCormack came back.
...so why did you go there again?
Apologies wheresmeticket. I have edited the specific reference from my post.
What a ridiculous statement that really is. The man has made a disgrace of himself there and should hang his head in shame.
As for Ched Evans, I think his rather bitter comments about mob rule say more for his thoughts than a sham of an apology which comes after his last hope of professional football said no thanks.
Gordon Taylor is a prick for saying that the man is such an arsehole what sort of comment is that to make, the justice for those fans who went to a game and never come home is a true and honorable campaign, a filthy convicted Rapist trying to prove himself innocent when found guilty by a court of law the appeals process refused once already to be mentioned in the same breath is a disgusting act of contempt, and he should be forced to resign the fat
I haven't been following this thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned but I heard on the radio earlier that the Oldham business came about because his Fiancee's father knows someone on the board. Firstly the thought he still has a Fiancee after Raping a woman and secondly that her father would be trying to help. STAGGERING!!!! The things people are willing to 'overlook' to maintain a lifestyle??????
Gordon Taylor has risked further controversy by appearing to compare the Ched Evans case with the Hillsborough tragedy. After the convicted rapist's move to Oldham collapsed, the Professional Footballers' Association chief executive was asked about Evans's insistence that he is innocent. "He wouldn't have been the first person to be found guilty, maintained their innocence and been proved right. We know what happened with Hillsborough," Taylor told BBC Sport.
"Its now unravelling and very different to how it was portrayed at the time - indeed by the police at the time.Taylor did not elaborate further on this point.........."
Wonder what he means by this? New evidence?
probably didn't need to compare to the biggest ever tragedy in British football though!
Very poor statement from Taylor who is old and wise enough to know better.
AS for Evans, what an idiot. He finally starts to give some proper PR (clearly written for him) and then he opens his own mouth and tries to pretend he is the victim.
Just reinforced my view of him as unrepentant scum who thinks he has the right to do what he wants with no consequences.
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That should set back his possible comeback!
If he had any contrition, he should have shown this at the start with video statement, and not when spooked by a club not giving him a contract
I'm as suspicious of his motives and his reasons as anyone, but he has at last made his first shift towards suggesting that he is willing to do something positive. We'll see how genuine he is in time and he may continue to be the arrogant, obnoxious prick so many of us think he is, but I'm not willing to just assume he's incapable of redemption because of his previous cuntishness.
Ok Ched
When you can't find a club because your arrogance and lies dont fool anyone than the daft bint and her family
Time to try a different angle
No threats made to anyone at Oldham or their sponsors
Shows you that people around the board of directors have said things imo
The daughters and wives of the people involved probably just said
Really dad / husband a rapist come on what if he done that to me
Why choose a double negative "not least" when talking about the victim? Why not go out and make a heart felt apology (or at least a statement that creates thay impression) and talk a bit more about how the things that happened after that night were terrible
It seems to be an apology given grudgingly and with reluctance, which is no apology at all.
He would be better off accepting it because I don't think public opinion would change that radically even if he did win his appeal. People still think that behavior is unacceptable and quite rightly so.
""He has not apologised to the victim, who has had to change her name and residence. He has not called off the attack dogs on social media who continue to hound the victim; at the very least, Evans should distance himself from them. Evans is being supported by those who like him as a footballer, by some who believe he is a victim of a miscarriage of justice, but also by a spite‑filled rabble of misogynists.
If Evans, or his girlfriend’s father, is paying for PR advice, let’s hope they have kept the receipts. The campaign has so far been a collection of own goals, starting with the scripted statement on video which contained no hint of penitence towards the victim, no repudiation of the “I’ve got a bird” culture.
The website set up defending Evans ranges from the naive to the nasty, and it is no surprise to learn that the victim’s father has asked the Attorney General to look into it. Those seeking to ease a convicted rapist back into football should have seen all these objections and obstacles and yet they stumble on, stirring even more anger towards Evans. On Evans’s release, his lobbyists should have published a statement saying that he will focus on the continuing of the judicial process, on his appeal, before refocusing on football.
The argument that Evans cannot voice any regret because he is appealing, and it would be an admission of guilt, is specious. He can still express some regret over the way his actions that night have affected a young woman’s life. No responsibility. No respect. The stench of the “I’ve got a bird” text lingers."
Now compare that to Evans' statement today.
“I am grateful for the support of the PFA in helping me try to return to football and continue my career.
Upon legal advice, I was told not to discuss the events in question. This silence has been misinterpreted as arrogance and I would like to state that this could not be further from the truth.
I do remain limited at present by what I can say due to the ongoing referral to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and whilst I continue to maintain my innocence, I wish to make it clear that I wholeheartedly apologise for the effects that night in Rhyl has had on many people, not least the woman concerned.
Finally, it has been claimed that those using social media in an abusive and vindictive way towards this woman are supporters of mine. I wish to make it clear that these people are not my supporters and I condemn their actions entirely and will continue to do so.”
Almost as if someone has read the article and thought "Yep, that's what we need to do".
With his case currently being reviewed by the Criminal Cases Review Commission, has he any sort of realistic chance of a further
appeal being allowed ? After having his previous attempt at an appeal thrown out what would he have to do to prove his
innocence or that the original conviction was unsafe ?
I said previous on this thread about Mike Tyson coming back to box in 1996 after his prison sentence.
also Graham Rix ex Arsenal player and Chelsea coach who was jailed in 1999 for having sex with a minor,
who was re-employed by Chelsea, and went on to manager at Portsmouth and Oxford.
This was before social media became powerful, and mass petitions on line were the norm.
If this means that Princes's and the powerful realise they are not above the Law, some good will come from
this tawdry episode.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30727380
Complaining of mob rule, and 'this women'. Serious, no class
he compared Ched Evans fight for justice to the Hillsborough fight for justice
https://audioboom.com/boos/2782827-gordon-taylor
As for Ched Evans, I think his rather bitter comments about mob rule say more for his thoughts than a sham of an apology which comes after his last hope of professional football said no thanks.
i can not for the life of me understand how he can even look at evans
After the convicted rapist's move to Oldham collapsed, the Professional Footballers' Association chief executive was asked about Evans's insistence that he is innocent.
"He wouldn't have been the first person to be found guilty, maintained their innocence and been proved right. We know what happened with Hillsborough," Taylor told BBC Sport.
Wonder what he means by this? New evidence?
probably didn't need to compare to the biggest ever tragedy in British football though!
AS for Evans, what an idiot. He finally starts to give some proper PR (clearly written for him) and then he opens his own mouth and tries to pretend he is the victim.
Just reinforced my view of him as unrepentant scum who thinks he has the right to do what he wants with no consequences.