Somewhere out there is likely to be a little kid (possibly more than one) who has been looking forward to that game for months. It's a special day and they are going to be a mascot. How the bloody hell will they feel when a rapist turns up to spoil the party?
I sincerely hope that all Oldham and Donny fans boycott the match and instead have a mass protest in the car park.
presumably those who think he should be allowed back into football would follow the same logic with teachers. Bet they would love a convicted rapist teaching their daughters and sons.
presumably those who think he should be allowed back into football would follow the same logic with teachers. Bet they would love a convicted rapist teaching their daughters and sons.
That might be the most ridiculous presumption anyone has ever made for so many reasons.
presumably those who think he should be allowed back into football would follow the same logic with teachers. Bet they would love a convicted rapist teaching their daughters and sons.
This comment and the one about ball boys is a little harsh, in my view.
I don't have any sympathy for Evans, but I can't believe that anyone would struggle to see the difference between a very drunk young man having sex with an equally (or more) drunk young woman and a sober employee not being trusted around young children.
What he did was wrong, there is no doubt about that, but irrespective as to if he, genuinely, believed the girl was able to give consent or not, he did not harm, in any way, children at his place of work or in a sober condition. I think that linking the two is very dangerous.
And before I'm asked I wouldn't, personally, have any concerns about my son's safety around the man. I wouldn't choose to socialise with him, but I don't believe he is, in any way, a threat to members of the public, or their children.
Don't agree with what he has done , but don't the government have ways of getting people back into work, ie the ones who have commited serious crimes including rapists and murderers in trades they know or have learned while inside , is the Evans case any different ?
These people are prohibited from many jobs due to their crimes, as it stands there is nothing to stop a club taking Evans on, some of us think that's wrong.
So for instance if someone who was a carpenter by trade commited rape and was given a 5 year sentence and served 2 + years And was released would he be allowed to go back and be a carpenter again ?
These questions bother me a little because they're heavily loaded, and fired at right-minded people who are by no means experts, and to me, feel designed to undermine what I believe to be a completely rational thought process. I personally believe Evans has blown his chance at pro football. I can't explain how employment laws should work in that instance, but I just know how I, and many right-minded people feel about this, and would hope that people who are qualified to make these rulings would come to the same conclusion. If they don;t, I have to respect that they know more than me and accept it. But it feels like a f***** up world if a guy can rape a girl and still play football, let alone while still serving his sentence. What a plumber, carpenter or bicycle repair man is allowed to do really doesn't change that gut feeling.
presumably those who think he should be allowed back into football would follow the same logic with teachers. Bet they would love a convicted rapist teaching their daughters and sons.
This comment and the one about ball boys is a little harsh, in my view.
I don't have any sympathy for Evans, but I can't believe that anyone would struggle to see the difference between a very drunk young man having sex with an equally (or more) drunk young woman and a sober employee not being trusted around young children.
What he did was wrong, there is no doubt about that, but irrespective as to if he, genuinely, believed the girl was able to give consent or not, he did not harm, in any way, children at his place of work or in a sober condition. I think that linking the two is very dangerous.
And before I'm asked I wouldn't, personally, have any concerns about my son's safety around the man. I wouldn't choose to socialise with him, but I don't believe he is, in any way, a threat to members of the public, or their children.
Don't disagree with most of this, but what if your son was a daughter? What if she was 15 +? How would you feel about her concerns if she was having to associate with a convicted rapist?
I know we are at different ends of the parent spectrum, you have a young son and I have a 24 year old daughter, I would have a lot of problems if she came home and said she had to work alongside "a Ched Evans" who had shown no remorse or understanding of his crime.
Ps I am not calling you out on this just giving a different perspective.
Good. Surely with the links his girlfriends dad had with Oldham made them the best chance he had, so now that's out the window hopefully he'll realise that no one wants to go near him.
I think it is quite clear his career is over, pending any possible appeal were it to be successful. No club will take him on now.
Ironically, all of the song and dance every time a potential move crops up isnt doing the victim any favours as it keeps the whole thing in the headlines. She would have a better stab at moving on with her life if it went away.
What's worse is, among the people who convinced the Oldham bosses to change their minds was a guy who threatened to rape a club official's daughter. I'd post a face palm picture if it wasn't so serious.
What's worse is, among the people who convinced the Oldham bosses to change their minds was a guy who threatened to rape a club official's daughter. I'd post a face palm picture if it wasn't so serious.
Cannot beleive these same people who are preventing ched from playing are the ones threatening physical violence towards board members if ched is signed.
This has gone way too far.
Edit: it was death threats and not physical violence.......
Seems to be conflicting reports over the claim that someone threatened to rape a board members daughter.
Great Manchester Police have said they are unaware of any threats towards directors.
If I was cynical I would say that the Oldham directors are using that to try and save face having royally messed up, lost sponsors and goodwill and all for nothing.
Serves them right as the whole episode was completely predictable.
We have already gone over how you cant compare two crimes so lets not go there again. But nothing of the sort has happened before. It goes to show the massive power the public have in the social media age we now find ourselves in.
Seems to be conflicting reports over the claim that someone threatened to rape a board members daughter.
Great Manchester Police have said they are unaware of any threats towards directors.
If I was cynical I would say that the Oldham directors are using that to try and save face having royally messed up, lost sponsors and goodwill and all for nothing.
Serves them right as the whole episode was completely predictable.
Couldn't agree more. In what world was this (loss of sponsors, goodwill) not going to happen? How could they have been so utterly unbusinesslike?
I'm convinced now that Evans' chances are pretty much gone in terms of getting a club in the Football League. Anyone who may have been thinking about it will now know the consequences and won't gamble.
He can't go abroad.
The only thing I can think of is he might drop down to the Conference or below where there are clubs with very small fanbases and in the owners' eyes little to lose.
We have already gone over how you cant compare two crimes so lets not go there again. But nothing of the sort happened when child killer Luke McCormack came back.
We have already gone over how you cant compare two crimes so lets not go there again. But nothing of the sort happened when child killer Luke McCormack came back.
...so why did you go there again?
Apologies wheresmeticket. I have edited the specific reference from my post.
"The leader of Oldham council, Jim McMahon, has just released this statement:
"I understand Oldham Athletic’s move to sign Ched Evans is off.
I’ve always believed in rehabilitation but felt that both club and player should have allowed Mr Evans’ appeal to run its course before agreeing a contract. As it stands Mr Evans has been found guilty in a court of law and has not yet completed his sentence. However, I take no pleasure in this outcome.
The whole episode has divided the town and public opinion and there are no winners in all this – not least of all the reputation of our club and town.
In recent days we’ve seen an horrendous ‘trial by social media’ with intimidation, abuse and harassment on a scale that has cast a terrible shadow.
I am urging people on all sides of this debate to please now take stock, show some restraint and calm.
We want to see Oldham Athletic prosper and that’s why we backed plans to redevelop Boundary Park to secure a positive future.
I also believe that Simon Corney has the best intentions and ambitions for the club as its owner. I hope he and other board members now take stock and consider the wider interests of the club as a part of the community and as an ambassador for Oldham.""
Seems to be conflicting reports over the claim that someone threatened to rape a board members daughter.
Great Manchester Police have said they are unaware of any threats towards directors.
If I was cynical I would say that the Oldham directors are using that to try and save face having royally messed up, lost sponsors and goodwill and all for nothing.
Serves them right as the whole episode was completely predictable.
Couldn't agree more. In what world was this (loss of sponsors, goodwill) not going to happen? How could they have been so utterly unbusinesslike?
I suspect that Evans father in law promise to cover the losses blinded them to the reality of what would happen.
His role in this whole sad sage is bizarre and more than a little creepy.
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I sincerely hope that all Oldham and Donny fans boycott the match and instead have a mass protest in the car park.
I'd also like to think they will be bereft of ball boys
I don't have any sympathy for Evans, but I can't believe that anyone would struggle to see the difference between a very drunk young man having sex with an equally (or more) drunk young woman and a sober employee not being trusted around young children.
What he did was wrong, there is no doubt about that, but irrespective as to if he, genuinely, believed the girl was able to give consent or not, he did not harm, in any way, children at his place of work or in a sober condition. I think that linking the two is very dangerous.
And before I'm asked I wouldn't, personally, have any concerns about my son's safety around the man. I wouldn't choose to socialise with him, but I don't believe he is, in any way, a threat to members of the public, or their children.
I know we are at different ends of the parent spectrum, you have a young son and I have a 24 year old daughter, I would have a lot of problems if she came home and said she had to work alongside "a Ched Evans" who had shown no remorse or understanding of his crime.
Ps I am not calling you out on this just giving a different perspective.
Would've just clicked the LOL button, but this deserved a proactively typed lol.
Ironically, all of the song and dance every time a potential move crops up isnt doing the victim any favours as it keeps the whole thing in the headlines. She would have a better stab at moving on with her life if it went away.
This has gone way too far.
Edit: it was death threats and not physical violence.......
A board member told BBC sports editor Dan Roan the decision was also taken because of "enormous pressure from sponsors".
Evans is expected to release a statement saying he understands the club's change of heart. "
Great Manchester Police have said they are unaware of any threats towards directors.
Serves them right as the whole episode was completely predictable.
We have already gone over how you cant compare two crimes so lets not go there again. But nothing of the sort has happened before. It goes to show the massive power the public have in the social media age we now find ourselves in.
He can't go abroad.
The only thing I can think of is he might drop down to the Conference or below where there are clubs with very small fanbases and in the owners' eyes little to lose.
"I understand Oldham Athletic’s move to sign Ched Evans is off.
I’ve always believed in rehabilitation but felt that both club and player should have allowed Mr Evans’ appeal to run its course before agreeing a contract. As it stands Mr Evans has been found guilty in a court of law and has not yet completed his sentence. However, I take no pleasure in this outcome.
The whole episode has divided the town and public opinion and there are no winners in all this – not least of all the reputation of our club and town.
In recent days we’ve seen an horrendous ‘trial by social media’ with intimidation, abuse and harassment on a scale that has cast a terrible shadow.
I am urging people on all sides of this debate to please now take stock, show some restraint and calm.
We want to see Oldham Athletic prosper and that’s why we backed plans to redevelop Boundary Park to secure a positive future.
I also believe that Simon Corney has the best intentions and ambitions for the club as its owner. I hope he and other board members now take stock and consider the wider interests of the club as a part of the community and as an ambassador for Oldham.""
His role in this whole sad sage is bizarre and more than a little creepy.