Jimmy Stone on twitter...
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See I think this is a key point. RD is bankrolling the club and that is why I have been so keen to believe his model will work, not biting the hand that feeds you etc. However, based on the last month, is he the right man to run the club?Essex_Al said:
You are absolutely right Kap!Kap10 said:
But we're losing about £5ma year so we need to produce more than a couple of youngsters a year to cover our running costs and pay for players to replace the sold youth. If you look at Southampton in the summer they cashed in on good young players, but could not replace them from within their academy, so had to shell out on new player replacements.kentred2 said:
Not really. Couple of youngsters from the network at a million each a year perhaps.razil said:Would have to sell a lot of players..
We don't have players that will bring in the type of money southamptons did and we don't the youth coming through that will command the fees we need.
I must say, I was dissapointed that the window didn't produce us a new number 9, but what those people who are crying out for RD to leave the club conveniently forget is that we are losing around £5 million a year and he is bankrolling it!
I would like to think that RD can perhaps change his ways and reassess the network model, but it seems unlikely. And because we are 1 of 6 clubs, it is just complete uncertainty at the moment. Then you have all the noise about Powell being told who to pick, Dyer's interview, Peeter's sacking and the farcical appointment of GL.
Now and between the end of the season is going to be really 'bumpy' (TM @Henry Irving) to say the least1 -
Yes, if we had won 4-0 and the players were cheered off to chants of Chris Powells red and white army, no way would RD have sacked the manager who earned the club a lucrative Wembley day out, he would have looked ridiculous.LargeAddick said:
sorry but that still doesn't excuse the players performance in my eyes. They were still getting paid for playing football. Also, wouldn't it make you more determined to go out and perform for the gaffer to show support for him and send him off with a win?kentred2 said:
That shyte at Sheffield was down to Roland. The players and Powell obviuosly new before the game Powell had been sacked. That Roland could not give a shyte about Charlton fans was proved that day.Essex_Al said:
If I was the owner and saw the shite that was served up at Sheffield, I'd want to change the manager at half time as well!ricky_otto said:Christ knows what is happening behind the scenes. Wouldn't at all surprise me if that nutcase of an owner wanted to change manages at half time. Maybe we should give Luzon, Peeters and a random person 30 mins each on Saturday.
Instead, they put up a pathetic display and made it very easy to sack Powell.1 -
The players performances at Wigan, Doncaster, Middlesbrough, Leicester and at home to Birmingham before that didn't exactly give a good vibe that we would have got a result there anyway.Atletico Addick said:
No no no you're all wrong, it was all Powells fault that the players didn't perform as he's not a good manager, nothing to do with Roland's actions before and during the game. What a piss take to all the fan's that day was, that was the final straw for me - Roland couldn't give a toss, I was red with rage when someone involved in the club told me the going on's the next day.kentred2 said:
That shyte at Sheffield was down to Roland. The players and Powell obviously new before the game Powell had been sacked. That Roland could not give a shyte about Charlton fans was proved that day.Essex_Al said:
If I was the owner and saw the shite that was served up at Sheffield, I'd want to change the manager at half time as well!ricky_otto said:Christ knows what is happening behind the scenes. Wouldn't at all surprise me if that nutcase of an owner wanted to change manages at half time. Maybe we should give Luzon, Peeters and a random person 30 mins each on Saturday.
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What a delicious outcome it would have been if we'd beaten Sheff U, and then - in a dignified way - Powell the next day revealed how he resisted RD's interference, picked his own team and asserted himself as the man in charge of the football team. That would have been Chrissy's ideal scenario, surely...
...but instead.. well you know the story1 -
From the information that's been shared, it didn't matter if they won or lost, from what we are told, Powell was already out of a job BEFORE the game. If that is the case, and it seems to be, then are you not surprised that the players were all over the place that day?nth london addick said:Nonsense about that was down to twochalets, the players should have looked at the away end and thought fuck him let's make it impossible to get rid of Powelly unless he walked
In refuse to accept that the miss from harriot which was a huge changing point in that game was down to RD
Or the ridiculous subs made that had no impact on the game
A Wembley appearance a packed away end vocal to the max
If you can't do it for us I am glad most are no longer here
You can say all you like about them being professionals etc, but they are also human beings with feelings and sometimes it's impossible to be professional when you have things pulling at your heart strings.12 -
Powell could easily have detailed all the interference after he left the club, but he is a bigger man than that. In all the years I've followed Chris Powell, be it as a player or as manager, he has always acted in a professional and dignified way.redlanered said:What a delicious outcome it would have been if we'd beaten Sheff U, and then - in a dignified way - Powell the next day revealed how he resisted RD's interference, picked his own team and asserted himself as the man in charge of the football team. That would have been Chrissy's ideal scenario, surely...
...but instead.. well you know the story10 -
WCA we the fans deserve more loyalty from players than anyone else in the club on any other game I would accept that view point but the qtr finals of the fa cup you do that over shit surrounding the mgmt
Then your not deserving of the title professional footballer nor the concern of the fans to your treatment within the club3 -
ricky_otto said:
Christ knows what is happening behind the scenes. Wouldn't at all surprise me if that nutcase of an owner wanted to change manages at half time. Maybe we should give Luzon, Peeters and a random person 30 mins each on Saturday.
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I think the possible mistake is to think that his 'motives' in creating a network of football clubs need make any more sense or will prove to be any more successful than his previous political activitiesJakeCAFC_94 said:Have any of us met Roland to actually get to know his personality or are we just seeing the whole situation through the (potentially distorted) eyes of others? Everyone on here seems to know the man really well, being able to explain his motives behind every move.
He obsessively persisted in pursuing his somewhat eccentric and contradictory political ideas over more than a decade despite derisory results (i.e. a guaranteed 'Basic Income' for all citizens while simultaneously reducing state spending by 30%):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Duchâtelet
And he appears to have embarked on the creation of his football 'network' scheme about the same time as he seems to have withdrawn from politics:
http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/sports/1.1817955
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If he's looking for work (and for all I know he is already in employment elsewhere), other companies aren't going to want someone who after leaving a position posts private conversations on social media between himself and his ex-employees.
Confidenciality seems to have been completely abandoned. Not just with Mr Stone, but the last couple of months, a day doesn't pass without someone posting on here that they've spoken to a friend within the club and found out this and that (I'm aware of those on here that are merely wind up merchants, but some are not). It's concerning that very little seems to stay private and once one has said something in a conversation it is then passed between several parties.1 -
Chris has/had dignity in abundance -- but that was not what was required on that day in Sheffield. To paraphrase the quote from Sven & the 2002 World Cup, perhaps: "we needed Churchill but we got Neville Chamberlain".WestCountryAddick said:
Powell could easily have detailed all the interference after he left the club, but he is a bigger man than that. In all the years I've followed Chris Powell, be it as a player or as manager, he has always acted in a professional and dignified way.redlanered said:What a delicious outcome it would have been if we'd beaten Sheff U, and then - in a dignified way - Powell the next day revealed how he resisted RD's interference, picked his own team and asserted himself as the man in charge of the football team. That would have been Chrissy's ideal scenario, surely...
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We got Neville Neville not chamberlain0
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Would be grateful if you'd share anything especially significant at this worrying time for all us dinosaurs without a Twitter account.Callumcafc said:He's well worth a follow if you don't already. Has been tweeting some very interesting/revealing stuff.
Ta.
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Nice to see the degrees and phd's in sports psychology getting trotted out as usual re the sheff utd game.
In professional football those extra % can make a world of difference, if one team is distracted, it clearly shows. As it did vs sheff utd. You have to be 100% focused, even if it's a career high on stake you can still be distracted.
But then again it's easier to use football manager as people's references for how focused the players should be.
Re jimmy stone, why would he lie? Plus if anything he said was not true I'm sure jimmy is the first one to know about libel.
Again, it's easier to dig your heads in the sand.12 -
Personal pride and respect to.your fans or hide behind the mask of disruption,
Cowards and not fit to wear the shirt if the latter3 -
Do you hang your Sports Psychology PHD on the wall?kentaddick said:Nice to see the degrees and phd's in sports psychology getting trotted out as usual re the sheff utd game.
In professional football those extra % can make a world of difference, if one team is distracted, it clearly shows. As it did vs sheff utd. You have to be 100% focused, even if it's a career high on stake you can still be distracted.
But then again it's easier to use football manager as people's references for how focused the players should be.
Re jimmy stone, why would he lie? Plus if anything he said was not true I'm sure jimmy is the first one to know about libel.
Again, it's easier to dig your heads in the sand.2 -
I don't need football mgr I understand the value of pride and self respect even when working through adversity and hardship within the work place, my team and my current employees all give everything even when invoices hadn't been paid meaning deferment on their bonus pay until it came through
Honesty respect integrity makes real men and women
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Nice, didn't know your company is a football club or has to play against other teams.nth london addick said:I don't need football mgr I understand the value of pride and self respect even when working through adversity and hardship within the work place, my team and my current employees all give everything even when invoices hadn't been paid meaning deferment on their bonus pay until it came through
Honesty respect integrity makes real men and women
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No, I listen to professionals in their field, I don't equate my working experience with sports psychology knowledge.ValleyGary said:
Do you hang your Sports Psychology PHD on the wall?kentaddick said:Nice to see the degrees and phd's in sports psychology getting trotted out as usual re the sheff utd game.
In professional football those extra % can make a world of difference, if one team is distracted, it clearly shows. As it did vs sheff utd. You have to be 100% focused, even if it's a career high on stake you can still be distracted.
But then again it's easier to use football manager as people's references for how focused the players should be.
Re jimmy stone, why would he lie? Plus if anything he said was not true I'm sure jimmy is the first one to know about libel.
Again, it's easier to dig your heads in the sand.7 - Sponsored links:
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Monsieur Guillotine .PragueAddick said:
But not, surely, during or after every one!Bubble said:Its no real surprise that manager's heads roll either during or just after a transfer window,
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Nice to know our players are lily livered cowards the clean out was correct then from top to bottom0
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NLA, I must say I am enjoying your side of this RD argument over the past week or so. You are providing a lot of common sense in the debate instead of joining our growing band of lemmings!5
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From a fellow dinosaurFanny Fanackapan said:
Would be grateful if you'd share anything especially significant at this worrying time for all us dinosaurs without a Twitter account.Callumcafc said:He's well worth a follow if you don't already. Has been tweeting some very interesting/revealing stuff.
Ta.
https://twitter.com/jimmystone_
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You didn't read what I said did you? I said even with the best of intentions, your mind is still not in the right place and so underperformance by a few percent can happen which impacts the overall result. Also remember you're talking about a group of lads some of whom were still teenagers. Classy.nth london addick said:Nice to know our players are lily livered cowards the clean out was correct then from top to bottom
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Yep I meant it, the senior pros melted in front of them and if the younger ones thought they would follow they have no place in a hard work place like football and would explain why players like harriot are so inconsistent and that I am 100% right that he will never match his ability with mind set and will end up in div 20
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I felt at half time in that game we had done ok in the first half. It was only really after they scored that we lost our way tbf.nth london addick said:I wish someone took over at half time at Sheffield utd, we might not have lost
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So are you saying that if a well respected employee is disastrously treated by your company and removed from their job the morning they all come to work, all your employees would perform 100% as well that day, as they do on other days? If you believe they would, I put it to you that you've employed a bunch of of robots devoid of any human emotion.nth london addick said:I don't need football mgr I understand the value of pride and self respect even when working through adversity and hardship within the work place, my team and my current employees all give everything even when invoices hadn't been paid meaning deferment on their bonus pay until it came through
Honesty respect integrity makes real men and women
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You have to remember, Powell brought this team together, instilled a team spirit, a bond, they won a League championship together. He lead them to a top 10 finish against the odds. These guys would have walked over hot coals for the man. I'm sure that on the day in question, they were hurting, and to go out on a football field and be expected to perform to a high standard is a BIG ask. I think you need to get a bit more in touch with your emotions because you are coming over as very cold and frankly, heartless.10 -
Do people seriously think that RD wants us to lose games ?
Do people seriously think Riga had his track suit on ready to get in the dug out at half time at Sheff U ?
I think some translation issues, no little drama and various people hoping for the worst is possibly at play here.6 -
Wow ! Thanks, Sir Len !LenGlover said:
From a fellow dinosaurFanny Fanackapan said:
Would be grateful if you'd share anything especially significant at this worrying time for all us dinosaurs without a Twitter account.Callumcafc said:He's well worth a follow if you don't already. Has been tweeting some very interesting/revealing stuff.
Ta.
https://twitter.com/jimmystone_
Google is your friend (sometimes)
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