I am surprised that Airman opposes the £175 season tickets . He was part of a regime that kept prices down in the Premiership years and I know that he fought battles with other senior employees at the club about this . The fact that we have kept prices affordable is great in my view whatever the marketing or so called loss of revenue is . It is one of things that has kept Charlton special for me . I accept that they should be stewarded better . Also in terms of revenue for some it might be a major factor in whether or not to renew.
On a day across the River when West Ham were charging £44 to the Nigels , we offered Football for a Fiver . We should celebrate this and publicise the affordability of the Valley.
That doesn't mean that all cheap prices in all combinations are sensible. We always set out to maximise revenue and I don't believe you do that by having a price range that goes from £175 to £525 in the same seating section. Nobody could sensibly believe that the central seats offer three times the value of the wing ones in the lower west.
As in the east, the club is inviting people to abuse the price structure and given what has happened over this season it will be clear that there is no genuine intention to manage the situation. If you trash the integrity of your own offer you are likely to get what you deserve.
I think the club was foolish to reduce prices to the extent it did last season. Of course low prices are popular and the lower they go the more popular they will be, but as Katrien says the club is a business. Pricing is not a popularity contest.
Despite all that, they have a decent offer and an opportunity to market it arising from recent results. Yesterday was great in that respect. I was at a party with a number of other fans last night and we were all enthused by it. But once again the club has upset supporters by bungling the presentation of the prices. It's not just on here. I had a string of people coming up to me to voice their complaints before the game, at which stage I hadn't even read the programme.
If ST prices had been left the same people would moan that they should have gone down, should have gone up or the cheeky A blockers should be punished
If ST prices had gone down the 5 year people would have moaned and anyone else who wants to have a special seat away from the rabble would have felt dirtied
Well. This season my seat in A Block cost me £110, because I am over sixty. Using the information in yesterday's programme, my season ticket will cost me £175, because they have increase the concession to 65+. That is a more than 50% increase. Immaterial really because I have made up my mind not to renew. Does that count as a revenue loss to the club. If you sell up Roland, do it once I'm 65.
I am surprised that Airman opposes the £175 season tickets . He was part of a regime that kept prices down in the Premiership years and I know that he fought battles with other senior employees at the club about this . The fact that we have kept prices affordable is great in my view whatever the marketing or so called loss of revenue is . It is one of things that has kept Charlton special for me . I accept that they should be stewarded better . Also in terms of revenue for some it might be a major factor in whether or not to renew.
On a day across the River when West Ham were charging £44 to the Nigels , we offered Football for a Fiver . We should celebrate this and publicise the affordability of the Valley.
That doesn't mean that all cheap prices in all combinations are sensible. We always set out to maximise revenue and I don't believe you do that by having a price range that goes from £175 to £525 in the same seating section. Nobody could sensibly believe that the central seats offer three times the value of the wing ones in the lower west.
As in the east, the club is inviting people to abuse the price structure and given what has happened over this season it will be clear that there is no genuine intention to manage the situation. If you trash the integrity of your own offer you are likely to get what you deserve.
I think the club was foolish to reduce prices to the extent it did last season. Of course low prices are popular and the lower they go the more popular they will be, but as Katrien says the club is a business. Pricing is not a popularity contest.
Despite all that, they have a decent offer and an opportunity to market it arising from recent results. Yesterday was great in that respect. I was at a party with a number of other fans last night and we were all enthused by it. But once again the club has upset supporters by bungling the presentation of the prices. It's not just on here. I had a string of people coming up to me to voice their complaints before the game, at which stage I hadn't even read the programme.
I don't disagree about the stewarding, but I know a lot of long term fans who probably wouldn't renew but have because of these prices.
Football is not affordable for the masses anymore and this offer does something positive about that. As someone who was at the forefront of Football for a Fiver you should be proud that your legacy continues.
It wasn't just the football, but the atmosphere yesterday was superb.
Well. This season my seat in A Block cost me £110, because I am over sixty. Using the information in yesterday's programme, my season ticket will cost me £175, because they have increase the concession to 65+. That is a more than 50% increase. Immaterial really because I have made up my mind not to renew. Does that count as a revenue loss to the club. If you sell up Roland, do it once I'm 65.
From my understanding of the situation your ST next year will be £135.
From my understanding of the situation your ST next year will be £135.
Where is this in writing or are you speculating?
I may have that wrong, but I'm sure the Club will confirm before the end of this month.
One thing I'm fairly sure about is that apart from last season, you could not purchase an adult season ticket in the East Stand since it's been opened for £175.
I am surprised that Airman opposes the £175 season tickets . He was part of a regime that kept prices down in the Premiership years and I know that he fought battles with other senior employees at the club about this . The fact that we have kept prices affordable is great in my view whatever the marketing or so called loss of revenue is . It is one of things that has kept Charlton special for me . I accept that they should be stewarded better . Also in terms of revenue for some it might be a major factor in whether or not to renew.
On a day across the River when West Ham were charging £44 to the Nigels , we offered Football for a Fiver . We should celebrate this and publicise the affordability of the Valley.
That doesn't mean that all cheap prices in all combinations are sensible. We always set out to maximise revenue and I don't believe you do that by having a price range that goes from £175 to £525 in the same seating section. Nobody could sensibly believe that the central seats offer three times the value of the wing ones in the lower west.
As in the east, the club is inviting people to abuse the price structure and given what has happened over this season it will be clear that there is no genuine intention to manage the situation. If you trash the integrity of your own offer you are likely to get what you deserve.
I think the club was foolish to reduce prices to the extent it did last season. Of course low prices are popular and the lower they go the more popular they will be, but as Katrien says the club is a business. Pricing is not a popularity contest.
Despite all that, they have a decent offer and an opportunity to market it arising from recent results. Yesterday was great in that respect. I was at a party with a number of other fans last night and we were all enthused by it. But once again the club has upset supporters by bungling the presentation of the prices. It's not just on here. I had a string of people coming up to me to voice their complaints before the game, at which stage I hadn't even read the programme.
I don't disagree about the stewarding, but I know a lot of long term fans who probably wouldn't renew but have because of these prices.
Football is not affordable for the masses anymore and this offer does something positive about that. As someone who was at the forefront of Football for a Fiver you should be proud that your legacy continues.
It wasn't just the football, but the atmosphere yesterday was superb.
Understood, however, by the time you factor in those trading down from higher-priced areas who would renew anyway and add back the revenue that those priced in to STs would have spent on match tickets, I doubt if it makes much commercial sense, even without the issue of people relocating to more expensive seats match by match. One of the reasons for the big shortfall between the club's announced attendances and actual people in the stadium is that the season-ticket pricing makes it worthwhile to buy even if you don't plan to attend every game. At £150 (now £175) you need to attend fewer than half the matches to make a season-ticket worthwhile, far fewer than that unless you are buying £15 match tickets. There isn't any financial gain to the club if the people buying the tickets would attend even semi-regularly without a season ticket. The net gain to the club is what they pay over and above what they would have with match tickets.
I'm one of the mugs who pays for a seat in the central section of the East Stand. All season I've seen people turn up about 2.55, have a good look round for empty seats and then plonk themselves down. Often they don't come back for the second half, presumably happy to choose another seat for that half.
As I've said before, I don't blame people for buying a cheap season ticket and then sitting elsewhere - it's the club's fault for putting such temptation in their way. But at the end of the day, doing this deprives the club of revenue it needs and takes the piss out of fellow supporters such as myself who pay the full price.
That's bad enough but later this year (whisper it) I hit the big 60. That's not a pleasant thought but I've consoled myself that at least I start to get a few freebies Eg a Boris pass, free prescriptions and not least a reduced priced season ticket. But now the ***** who are running the club are now taking my reduced price season ticket away just as I'm becoming eligible for it!
Why, for Christ's sake? After nearly 45 years of coming to games, wouldn't it be nice to have my loyalty rewarded in a small way? This is such a mean, petty move it defies belief.
Just as I was beginning to have my mood lifted by recent results, and beginning to think the new regime might have some merit, they go and do this. I give up.
Stu, the Trust were/still are seeking meaningful dialogue with the club about the outline strategy (not every detail nor commercial confidences) as, in the past, Charlton enjoyed great success with such a model, it strengthened the connection between owners and fans through thick and thin and we all mutually benefited. Some might say it became a positive part of our culture.
The current owners dismissed this, only wanting our input re "building attendances" and operational issues re fans' forum. We have been providing this all along where asked, but in the end, the whole thing really needs to go hand-in-hand, doesn't it?
It is difficult to help with initiatives on attendance if you don't know the priorities eg fill the Valley no matter the price or bring in younger supporters and not bother re older supporters or attract new fans from SW London or promote the club as edgy/sexy etc etc. What exactly are the objectives?
The Trust were not consulted at all re season tickets nor were any other fan groups to my knowledge, which is a shame, as once again we are left with some of our most loyal fans feeling as though their support is not valued.
I don't want to stir up trouble but they did ask for the Trust's help but the Trust declined anything other than an audience with the very senior management team.
Katrien mentioned this at Ashford last week and gave the impression that she thought it was a snub by the Trust.
I know views differ but had the Trust turned up to the meeting they might have been told what you say you would need to know. Asking for the CEO of a multi-million pound company to explain that to you before you decided to help, or not, makes you (those that declined the opportunity) look arrogant.
Stu, the Trust were/still are seeking meaningful dialogue with the club about the outline strategy (not every detail nor commercial confidences) as, in the past, Charlton enjoyed great success with such a model, it strengthened the connection between owners and fans through thick and thin and we all mutually benefited. Some might say it became a positive part of our culture.
The current owners dismissed this, only wanting our input re "building attendances" and operational issues re fans' forum. We have been providing this all along where asked, but in the end, the whole thing really needs to go hand-in-hand, doesn't it?
It is difficult to help with initiatives on attendance if you don't know the priorities eg fill the Valley no matter the price or bring in younger supporters and not bother re older supporters or attract new fans from SW London or promote the club as edgy/sexy etc etc. What exactly are the objectives?
The Trust were not consulted at all re season tickets nor were any other fan groups to my knowledge, which is a shame, as once again we are left with some of our most loyal fans feeling as though their support is not valued.
I don't want to stir up trouble but they did ask for the Trust's help but the Trust declined anything other than an audience with the very senior management team.
Katrien mentioned this at Ashford last week and gave the impression that she thought it was a snub by the Trust.
I know views differ but had the Trust turned up to the meeting they might have been told what you say you would need to know. Asking for the CEO of a multi-million pound company to explain that to you before you decided to help, or not, makes you (those that declined the opportunity) look arrogant.
Just my view.
More misinformation I'm afraid. The Trust did not decline a meeting with CAFC staff about building attendances. The Trust have attended two such meetings with CAFC staff on that subject. It is just that the Trust chair did not attend.
I am not moaning about paying £1.09 extra per match, but about the headlines and the small print and the lack of information and clarity which leads to speculation.
The information was in yesterday's programme.
The information will be on the website shortly.
The information will be reported on various forums.
The 2015/16 season commences in August.
There are no early bird reductions.
No need to panic about 'lack of information'
Im not sure about this. The program says that April 10th is the end of that price point. That sounds like an early bird deal to me - or at the very least that they are leaving themselves the option to put the price up!
Stu, the Trust were/still are seeking meaningful dialogue with the club about the outline strategy (not every detail nor commercial confidences) as, in the past, Charlton enjoyed great success with such a model, it strengthened the connection between owners and fans through thick and thin and we all mutually benefited. Some might say it became a positive part of our culture.
The current owners dismissed this, only wanting our input re "building attendances" and operational issues re fans' forum. We have been providing this all along where asked, but in the end, the whole thing really needs to go hand-in-hand, doesn't it?
It is difficult to help with initiatives on attendance if you don't know the priorities eg fill the Valley no matter the price or bring in younger supporters and not bother re older supporters or attract new fans from SW London or promote the club as edgy/sexy etc etc. What exactly are the objectives?
The Trust were not consulted at all re season tickets nor were any other fan groups to my knowledge, which is a shame, as once again we are left with some of our most loyal fans feeling as though their support is not valued.
I don't want to stir up trouble but they did ask for the Trust's help but the Trust declined anything other than an audience with the very senior management team.
Katrien mentioned this at Ashford last week and gave the impression that she thought it was a snub by the Trust.
I know views differ but had the Trust turned up to the meeting they might have been told what you say you would need to know. Asking for the CEO of a multi-million pound company to explain that to you before you decided to help, or not, makes you (those that declined the opportunity) look arrogant.
Just my view.
More misinformation I'm afraid. The Trust did not decline a meeting with CAFC staff about building attendances. The Trust have attended two such meetings with CAFC staff on that subject. It is just that the Trust chair did not attend.
Am I right in assuming the Ashford meeting is the one that is, errr, 'restricted' especially when it comes to reporting what went on? If Katrien 'gave the impression she thought it was a snub by the trust' did she say that in so many words I wonder, because if she did it seems downright graceless. If on the other hand she has been mis understood and mis reported that is also ungracious.
Stu, the Trust were/still are seeking meaningful dialogue with the club about the outline strategy (not every detail nor commercial confidences) as, in the past, Charlton enjoyed great success with such a model, it strengthened the connection between owners and fans through thick and thin and we all mutually benefited. Some might say it became a positive part of our culture.
The current owners dismissed this, only wanting our input re "building attendances" and operational issues re fans' forum. We have been providing this all along where asked, but in the end, the whole thing really needs to go hand-in-hand, doesn't it?
It is difficult to help with initiatives on attendance if you don't know the priorities eg fill the Valley no matter the price or bring in younger supporters and not bother re older supporters or attract new fans from SW London or promote the club as edgy/sexy etc etc. What exactly are the objectives?
The Trust were not consulted at all re season tickets nor were any other fan groups to my knowledge, which is a shame, as once again we are left with some of our most loyal fans feeling as though their support is not valued.
I don't want to stir up trouble but they did ask for the Trust's help but the Trust declined anything other than an audience with the very senior management team.
Katrien mentioned this at Ashford last week and gave the impression that she thought it was a snub by the Trust.
I know views differ but had the Trust turned up to the meeting they might have been told what you say you would need to know. Asking for the CEO of a multi-million pound company to explain that to you before you decided to help, or not, makes you (those that declined the opportunity) look arrogant.
Just my view.
More misinformation I'm afraid. The Trust did not decline a meeting with CAFC staff about building attendances. The Trust have attended two such meetings with CAFC staff on that subject. It is just that the Trust chair did not attend.
I'm not doubting you but that is exactly what Katrien said.
Stu, the Trust were/still are seeking meaningful dialogue with the club about the outline strategy (not every detail nor commercial confidences) as, in the past, Charlton enjoyed great success with such a model, it strengthened the connection between owners and fans through thick and thin and we all mutually benefited. Some might say it became a positive part of our culture.
The current owners dismissed this, only wanting our input re "building attendances" and operational issues re fans' forum. We have been providing this all along where asked, but in the end, the whole thing really needs to go hand-in-hand, doesn't it?
It is difficult to help with initiatives on attendance if you don't know the priorities eg fill the Valley no matter the price or bring in younger supporters and not bother re older supporters or attract new fans from SW London or promote the club as edgy/sexy etc etc. What exactly are the objectives?
The Trust were not consulted at all re season tickets nor were any other fan groups to my knowledge, which is a shame, as once again we are left with some of our most loyal fans feeling as though their support is not valued.
I don't want to stir up trouble but they did ask for the Trust's help but the Trust declined anything other than an audience with the very senior management team.
Katrien mentioned this at Ashford last week and gave the impression that she thought it was a snub by the Trust.
I know views differ but had the Trust turned up to the meeting they might have been told what you say you would need to know. Asking for the CEO of a multi-million pound company to explain that to you before you decided to help, or not, makes you (those that declined the opportunity) look arrogant.
Just my view.
More misinformation I'm afraid. The Trust did not decline a meeting with CAFC staff about building attendances. The Trust have attended two such meetings with CAFC staff on that subject. It is just that the Trust chair did not attend.
I'm not doubting you but that is exactly what Katrien said.
Ah, the off the record briefing by a Charlton director that turns out not to be true. Some things haven't changed then.
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As in the east, the club is inviting people to abuse the price structure and given what has happened over this season it will be clear that there is no genuine intention to manage the situation. If you trash the integrity of your own offer you are likely to get what you deserve.
I think the club was foolish to reduce prices to the extent it did last season. Of course low prices are popular and the lower they go the more popular they will be, but as Katrien says the club is a business. Pricing is not a popularity contest.
Despite all that, they have a decent offer and an opportunity to market it arising from recent results. Yesterday was great in that respect. I was at a party with a number of other fans last night and we were all enthused by it. But once again the club has upset supporters by bungling the presentation of the prices. It's not just on here. I had a string of people coming up to me to voice their complaints before the game, at which stage I hadn't even read the programme.
If ST prices had gone down the 5 year people would have moaned and anyone else who wants to have a special seat away from the rabble would have felt dirtied
If ST prices had gone up everyone would moan
If U11s are free those without U11s moan
If 60 becomes 65 all the 59 year olds moan
Has anyone moaned about Crossbars changes yet ?
If they gave STs away people would moan
Has anyone moaned about Crossbars changes yet ?
What are the changes?
Football is not affordable for the masses anymore and this offer does something positive about that. As someone who was at the forefront of Football for a Fiver you should be proud that your legacy continues.
It wasn't just the football, but the atmosphere yesterday was superb.
Now, if someone can put a strait jacket on the fidget arse who sits next to me I'd be delirious.
That works out at £5.87 per match.
You bastard Roland.
Where is this in writing or are you speculating?
One thing I'm fairly sure about is that apart from last season, you could not purchase an adult season ticket in the East Stand since it's been opened for £175.
I'm one of the mugs who pays for a seat in the central section of the East Stand. All season I've seen people turn up about 2.55, have a good look round for empty seats and then plonk themselves down. Often they don't come back for the second half, presumably happy to choose another seat for that half.
As I've said before, I don't blame people for buying a cheap season ticket and then sitting elsewhere - it's the club's fault for putting such temptation in their way. But at the end of the day, doing this deprives the club of revenue it needs and takes the piss out of fellow supporters such as myself who pay the full price.
That's bad enough but later this year (whisper it) I hit the big 60. That's not a pleasant thought but I've consoled myself that at least I start to get a few freebies Eg a Boris pass, free prescriptions and not least a reduced priced season ticket. But now the ***** who are running the club are now taking my reduced price season ticket away just as I'm becoming eligible for it!
Why, for Christ's sake? After nearly 45 years of coming to games, wouldn't it be nice to have my loyalty rewarded in a small way? This is such a mean, petty move it defies belief.
Just as I was beginning to have my mood lifted by recent results, and beginning to think the new regime might have some merit, they go and do this. I give up.
Katrien mentioned this at Ashford last week and gave the impression that she thought it was a snub by the Trust.
I know views differ but had the Trust turned up to the meeting they might have been told what you say you would need to know. Asking for the CEO of a multi-million pound company to explain that to you before you decided to help, or not, makes you (those that declined the opportunity) look arrogant.
Just my view.
More misinformation I'm afraid. The Trust did not decline a meeting with CAFC staff about building attendances. The Trust have attended two such meetings with CAFC staff on that subject. It is just that the Trust chair did not attend.
If Katrien 'gave the impression she thought it was a snub by the trust' did she say that in so many words I wonder, because if she did it seems downright graceless. If on the other hand she has been mis understood and mis reported that is also ungracious.