In hindsight - the writers should have killed off the White Walkers in series 7 and allowed series 8 to be about proper character development to reach its conclusion. Easy to say now though.
The latest episode was back to what GOT does brilliantly. Swinging wildly from disliking, to liking, back to disliking characters. I even felt sorry for Cersai at the end. Historically that kind of character development happened over 2-3 series, now, it's happening over the course of an hour, which must be impossible to write without having to disregard previous details.
I have no idea how they are going to wrap up the last episode in an hour, but however it ends (and even if it doesn't make sense), I hope it's as enjoyable to watch as this episode was.
I really enjoyed that episode, as long as you accept the major character arc that is occurring everything makes sense.
Loved Tyrion and Jamie's goodbye and the battle scene was immense. Trouble brewing between Greyworm and Jon, plus I predict Arya has a new name on her list.
I really enjoyed that episode, as long as you accept the major character arc that is occurring everything makes sense.
Loved Tyrion and Jamie's goodbye and the battle scene was immense. Trouble brewing between Greyworm and Jon, plus I predict Arya has a new name on her list.
Great episode. They managed to cram so much character work into a long battle, which is a hell of a job. Loved the Hound deciding to use the fire this time instead of shying away from it. Plus he finally got to shove his brother into it. I have a lot of questions about the Mountain seeing as he shrugged off a knife to the head. Cersei should have just sent him wandering over to Winterfell. He's probably still lumbering around King's Landing now.
I really loved the ash of Asbesteros at the end, the way it looked like snow falling throughout the city drew a parallel with the destruction the Night King brought with him. It just goes to show that you can have an unfeeling evil bring destruction to the world without needing a zombie army doing it. The mad queen, with her stupidly loyal followers behind her butchering innocent people is almost identical. Visually this episode was incredible. I feel like Gendry probably had a nice day as well.
Best episode of the eighth series in my opinion. Still annoyed about what they did to Jaime and Arya’s plot armour knows no bounds but otherwise had a much more typical Game of Thrones feel to it.
It feels rushed because it is, but then we have people whingeing that the character development episodes are boring and slow because they miss the details from them.
To me I would have preferred S7 & 8 be 10 episodes so that we had that missing filler, but this is still incredible TV and I won't roll over crying purely because it's not what I had expected....
That's the wonder of GOT it does what you do not expect. Sometimes it'll feel brilliant, others less so.
As you all know I have been critical of past episodes this series and rightly so in my view, but now I truly feel like people are just being picky to join in? Quite comfortably the best episode of the season so far.
I loved Jaime and Tyrions moment, cleganebowl didn't disappoint, as someone said love the metaphors with the fire use and mountain using his trademark 'finisher'. Danys turn although predictable wasn't the worst thing ever. Sets up nicely for conflict between the Starks and the 'south' again. When it's all said and done that's what this show has always been about imo, the Starks always have been powerless and just when you think they have made it out of the woods now they have to deal with Dany. Again as someone pointed out the ash setting at the end was beautiful, shot really well and now all of a sudden the show has a purpose imo, stop the evil Queen. I loved Varys arc end, all set up very well.
I could go on but I think you get the point. A good episode and I truly think people are just trying to spoil it for themselves at this point.
My predictions for next episode, Greyworm Vs Jon. What I don't see is where Brienne, Sansa etc will fit in. Will they head down to kings landing or will Dany head back to them?
Also I have to add there was one cringe moment where I thought cmon that's too Hollywood for my liking. When Euron is dying and the camera goes to him and he speaks out loud I killed Jaime Lannister. Just not needed but truly other than that I enjoyed the episode and am actually looking forward to the finale now
I really enjoyed that episode, as long as you accept the major character arc that is occurring everything makes sense.
Loved Tyrion and Jamie's goodbye and the battle scene was immense. Trouble brewing between Greyworm and Jon, plus I predict Arya has a new name on her list.
I wonder what colour eyes Dany has?
Exactly she may still get to kill a cruel queen.
Emilia Clarke has green eyes, Danaerys Targaryen has purple eyes.
As you all know I have been critical of past episodes this series and rightly so in my view, but now I truly feel like people are just being picky to join in? Quite comfortably the best episode of the season so far.
I loved Jaime and Tyrions moment, cleganebowl didn't disappoint, as someone said love the metaphors with the fire use and mountain using his trademark 'finisher'. Danys turn although predictable wasn't the worst thing ever. Sets up nicely for conflict between the Starks and the 'south' again. When it's all said and done that's what this show has always been about imo, the Starks always have been powerless and just when you think they have made it out of the woods now they have to deal with Dany. Again as someone pointed out the ash setting at the end was beautiful, shot really well and now all of a sudden the show has a purpose imo, stop the evil Queen. I loved Varys arc end, all set up very well.
I could go on but I think you get the point. A good episode imo and I truly think people are just trying to spoil it for themselves at this point.
At this point I don't think we can characterise things as predictable in any negative way. This is the penultimate episode of an 8 season show. Everything that happened with Danaerys has been built up since the early episodes, from her being told her whole life that the people would be happy to see her (and then finding out they weren't), to her being told the throne was her birthright, to her crucifying the masters and burning the Dothraki leaders, culminating in her deciding that fear is the way to rule. At this stage if things are coming completely out of left-field for characters then that's an issue with the groundwork that's been laid. Dany becoming the mad queen won't have surprised anyone in a major way, but as long as you can look back and see it was earned it's a good pay-off
Very well put, @garrymanilow - I think watching the show again will show this direction makes a lot of sense for her. She’s often talked about burning stuff down, and we’ve had visions of her dragon over Kings Landing (same shot was in this episode) as well as ash falling on the iron throne. Short of starting the show with this episode and treating the rest as a flashback, I don’t see how it could have been better sign-posted!
As you all know I have been critical of past episodes this series and rightly so in my view, but now I truly feel like people are just being picky to join in? Quite comfortably the best episode of the season so far.
I loved Jaime and Tyrions moment, cleganebowl didn't disappoint, as someone said love the metaphors with the fire use and mountain using his trademark 'finisher'. Danys turn although predictable wasn't the worst thing ever. Sets up nicely for conflict between the Starks and the 'south' again. When it's all said and done that's what this show has always been about imo, the Starks always have been powerless and just when you think they have made it out of the woods now they have to deal with Dany. Again as someone pointed out the ash setting at the end was beautiful, shot really well and now all of a sudden the show has a purpose imo, stop the evil Queen. I loved Varys arc end, all set up very well.
I could go on but I think you get the point. A good episode imo and I truly think people are just trying to spoil it for themselves at this point.
At this point I don't think we can characterise things as predictable in any negative way. This is the penultimate episode of an 8 season show. Everything that happened with Danaerys has been built up since the early episodes, from her being told her whole life that the people would be happy to see her (and then finding out they weren't), to her being told the throne was her birthright, to her crucifying the masters and burning the Dothraki leaders, culminating in her deciding that fear is the way to rule. At this stage if things are coming completely out of left-field for characters then that's an issue with the groundwork that's been laid. Dany becoming the mad queen won't have surprised anyone in a major way, but as long as you can look back and see it was earned it's a good pay-off
I don't mean it in a negative 'edgy' tone. I just mean based from how this season has gone. I don't think it's a bad turn and like I said they have won me back, roll on finale
I really enjoyed that episode, as long as you accept the major character arc that is occurring everything makes sense.
Loved Tyrion and Jamie's goodbye and the battle scene was immense. Trouble brewing between Greyworm and Jon, plus I predict Arya has a new name on her list.
I wonder what colour eyes Dany has?
Exactly she may still get to kill a cruel queen.
Emilia Clarke has green eyes, Danaerys Targaryen has purple eyes.
In the books that's true, but to my knowledge has never been the case for the TV show.
I really enjoyed that episode, as long as you accept the major character arc that is occurring everything makes sense.
Loved Tyrion and Jamie's goodbye and the battle scene was immense. Trouble brewing between Greyworm and Jon, plus I predict Arya has a new name on her list.
I wonder what colour eyes Dany has?
Exactly she may still get to kill a cruel queen.
Emilia Clarke has green eyes, Danaerys Targaryen has purple eyes.
In the books that's true, but to my knowledge has never been the case for the TV show.
As you all know I have been critical of past episodes this series and rightly so in my view, but now I truly feel like people are just being picky to join in? Quite comfortably the best episode of the season so far.
I loved Jaime and Tyrions moment, cleganebowl didn't disappoint, as someone said love the metaphors with the fire use and mountain using his trademark 'finisher'. Danys turn although predictable wasn't the worst thing ever. Sets up nicely for conflict between the Starks and the 'south' again. When it's all said and done that's what this show has always been about imo, the Starks always have been powerless and just when you think they have made it out of the woods now they have to deal with Dany. Again as someone pointed out the ash setting at the end was beautiful, shot really well and now all of a sudden the show has a purpose imo, stop the evil Queen. I loved Varys arc end, all set up very well.
I could go on but I think you get the point. A good episode imo and I truly think people are just trying to spoil it for themselves at this point.
At this point I don't think we can characterise things as predictable in any negative way. This is the penultimate episode of an 8 season show. Everything that happened with Danaerys has been built up since the early episodes, from her being told her whole life that the people would be happy to see her (and then finding out they weren't), to her being told the throne was her birthright, to her crucifying the masters and burning the Dothraki leaders, culminating in her deciding that fear is the way to rule. At this stage if things are coming completely out of left-field for characters then that's an issue with the groundwork that's been laid. Dany becoming the mad queen won't have surprised anyone in a major way, but as long as you can look back and see it was earned it's a good pay-off
I don't mean it in a negative 'edgy' tone. I just mean based from how this season has gone. I don't think it's a bad turn and like I said they have won me back, roll on finale
Yep, sorry, I didn't think you were, I was kind of trying to expand on your point there. Predictable, within reason, is good at this point.
I actually didn’t enjoy this episode as much as the others. Got up early to watch it though so that may be a factor, I’ll re-watch tonight with my dinner.
As you all know I have been critical of past episodes this series and rightly so in my view, but now I truly feel like people are just being picky to join in? Quite comfortably the best episode of the season so far.
I loved Jaime and Tyrions moment, cleganebowl didn't disappoint, as someone said love the metaphors with the fire use and mountain using his trademark 'finisher'. Danys turn although predictable wasn't the worst thing ever. Sets up nicely for conflict between the Starks and the 'south' again. When it's all said and done that's what this show has always been about imo, the Starks always have been powerless and just when you think they have made it out of the woods now they have to deal with Dany. Again as someone pointed out the ash setting at the end was beautiful, shot really well and now all of a sudden the show has a purpose imo, stop the evil Queen. I loved Varys arc end, all set up very well.
I could go on but I think you get the point. A good episode imo and I truly think people are just trying to spoil it for themselves at this point.
At this point I don't think we can characterise things as predictable in any negative way. This is the penultimate episode of an 8 season show. Everything that happened with Danaerys has been built up since the early episodes, from her being told her whole life that the people would be happy to see her (and then finding out they weren't), to her being told the throne was her birthright, to her crucifying the masters and burning the Dothraki leaders, culminating in her deciding that fear is the way to rule. At this stage if things are coming completely out of left-field for characters then that's an issue with the groundwork that's been laid. Dany becoming the mad queen won't have surprised anyone in a major way, but as long as you can look back and see it was earned it's a good pay-off
I don't mean it in a negative 'edgy' tone. I just mean based from how this season has gone. I don't think it's a bad turn and like I said they have won me back, roll on finale
Yep, sorry, I didn't think you were, I was kind of trying to expand on your point there. Predictable, within reason, is good at this point.
fair enough.
I think the likely setups are Jon vs Greyworm macho fight, Tyrion to help against Dany in some way, Dany to target Sansa which triggers Jon getting involved, Arya to be the one to kill Dany.
One character I am curious about is Bran, surely he has a part to play still
I've not seen this episode but the way Varys and Tyrion talked about Jon being a King who could unite both the South and the North made me think that its the sort of ending that can tie up a whole series
As for Jon Snow, the look on his face in his final scene, he's done with Dany. Greyworm acted like he knew all along they were going to destroy King's landing. Jon saw that and knows he can't trust Dany.
Very well put, @garrymanilow - I think watching the show again will show this direction makes a lot of sense for her. She’s often talked about burning stuff down, and we’ve had visions of her dragon over Kings Landing (same shot was in this episode) as well as ash falling on the iron throne. Short of starting the show with this episode and treating the rest as a flashback, I don’t see how it could have been better sign-posted!
She has won. The bells sounded. She knew it was over. There was zero reason to burn 100,000 people or whatever. Just because a character said one statement a season or two ago does not makes sense in their arc. She is supposto be the “breaker of chains” not the women to burn innocents to death. There is no buildup to the Mad Queen. Basically she is just goes nuts because her nephew won’t sleep with her anymore. Lazy as shit writing in my opinion. The writers were apparently offered 10 episodes by HBO but they wanted to move on and write the new Star Wars movies and so just stopped giving a shit. “Signposts” are not arcs or proper character development. This is crap and and the worst ending to a series since Dexter.
I actually didn’t enjoy this episode as much as the others. Got up early to watch it though so that may be a factor, I’ll re-watch tonight with my dinner.
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The latest episode was back to what GOT does brilliantly. Swinging wildly from disliking, to liking, back to disliking characters. I even felt sorry for Cersai at the end. Historically that kind of character development happened over 2-3 series, now, it's happening over the course of an hour, which must be impossible to write without having to disregard previous details.
I have no idea how they are going to wrap up the last episode in an hour, but however it ends (and even if it doesn't make sense), I hope it's as enjoyable to watch as this episode was.
I really loved the ash of Asbesteros at the end, the way it looked like snow falling throughout the city drew a parallel with the destruction the Night King brought with him. It just goes to show that you can have an unfeeling evil bring destruction to the world without needing a zombie army doing it. The mad queen, with her stupidly loyal followers behind her butchering innocent people is almost identical. Visually this episode was incredible. I feel like Gendry probably had a nice day as well.
It feels rushed because it is, but then we have people whingeing that the character development episodes are boring and slow because they miss the details from them.
To me I would have preferred S7 & 8 be 10 episodes so that we had that missing filler, but this is still incredible TV and I won't roll over crying purely because it's not what I had expected....
That's the wonder of GOT it does what you do not expect. Sometimes it'll feel brilliant, others less so.
I loved Jaime and Tyrions moment, cleganebowl didn't disappoint, as someone said love the metaphors with the fire use and mountain using his trademark 'finisher'. Danys turn although predictable wasn't the worst thing ever. Sets up nicely for conflict between the Starks and the 'south' again. When it's all said and done that's what this show has always been about imo, the Starks always have been powerless and just when you think they have made it out of the woods now they have to deal with Dany. Again as someone pointed out the ash setting at the end was beautiful, shot really well and now all of a sudden the show has a purpose imo, stop the evil Queen. I loved Varys arc end, all set up very well.
I could go on but I think you get the point. A good episode and I truly think people are just trying to spoil it for themselves at this point.
Also I have to add there was one cringe moment where I thought cmon that's too Hollywood for my liking. When Euron is dying and the camera goes to him and he speaks out loud I killed Jaime Lannister. Just not needed but truly other than that I enjoyed the episode and am actually looking forward to the finale now
- Episode one - 54 mins
- Episode two - 58 mins
- Episode three - 82 mins
- Episode four - 78 mins
- Episode five – 79 mins
- Episode six – 79 mins
That should be long enough to wrap things up.I now will state I have no idea what the ending will be. I think Jon has done his part, bringing together the living to take out old pointy head.
I'd like to think that even the leaks are wrong about the end (dodged most of them), as I believe there are multiple endings filmed.
They haven't given her contacts.
I think the likely setups are Jon vs Greyworm macho fight, Tyrion to help against Dany in some way, Dany to target Sansa which triggers Jon getting involved, Arya to be the one to kill Dany.
One character I am curious about is Bran, surely he has a part to play still
I wouldn't be surprised (were I correct) to see Arya's death being what makes Jon turn on Dany.
As for Jon Snow, the look on his face in his final scene, he's done with Dany. Greyworm acted like he knew all along they were going to destroy King's landing. Jon saw that and knows he can't trust Dany.
episodes by HBO but they wanted to move on and write the new Star Wars movies and so just stopped giving a shit. “Signposts” are not arcs or proper character development. This is crap and and the worst ending to a series since Dexter.
Good to see the Dothraki back despite all of them getting killed by white walkers