General Election 2015 official thread

MrOneLung

But if you cannot guarantee someone the hours why would you give them a contract guaranteeing hour.

If you had three workers who had zhc and worked 15 hours a week on average would it be better to only employ one on a 45 hours contract?

EastTerrace

Interesting Newsnight about Miliband and Cameron tonight

Chizz

MrOneLung said:

But if you cannot guarantee someone the hours why would you give them a contract guaranteeing hour.

If you had three workers who had zhc and worked 15 hours a week on average would it be better to only employ one on a 45 hours contract?

Better for whom? Better for the person now on a full-time, fixed-hours contract of 45 hours? Yes. Better for the business? Well, assuming they're able confidently to predict their levels of business, then yes. And, if they're not able to predict their level of business, then some might argue - I certainly would - that they don't actually have a business. Not in a real sense. Because an employer-employee relationship is based on risk and reward planted firmly on the side of the business owner. The business should not foist the risk onto the employees.

There's also nothing wrong with part-time employment. So, in this case, why wouldn't the employer provide the three employees with fixed-hour, part-time contracts?

Chizz

So, Thursday morning, read this. Obviously, don't slavishly follow it, because no-one should tell you whom to vote for. But read it anyway, before popping to the polling station.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/vote-tory-and-youre-voting-for-the-rich-to-get-richer-and-the-poor-to-get-poorer-10230342.html

nth_london_addick

What a crock of nonsense shit journalism bull shit

Vote tory and make lazy fuckas work and the country keep growing

Vote labour and help the lazy get lazier the workers subsidise them and the country be financially ruined again.


See I can say the same non fact statement based on nothing but my own feelings and opinions,

People really should stick to the facts that can be backed up

There has been some fine examples on here from all parties that have been very thoughtful and thought provoking, making people who don't really show as much interest as they should in the way the country is being run, and if more impetus was placed on explaining to as Sadie woukd say normal folks and not cheap point scoring sly digging non answering of questions bullshit that they all spout then maybe just maybe we would have a more clear picture of which party should be granted the honor of leading this great country

Covered End

EastTerrace said:

Interesting Newsnight about Miliband and Cameron tonight

Why ?

carly burn

Chizz said:

So, Thursday morning, read this. Obviously, don't slavishly follow it, because no-one should tell you whom to vote for. But read it anyway, before popping to the polling station.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/vote-tory-and-youre-voting-for-the-rich-to-get-richer-and-the-poor-to-get-poorer-10230342.html

Bit rich putting that in the independent.

An unfunny socialist zealot!

carly burn

Another thing that has not been mentioned much is Interest rates.

Like them or not, the Tories have managed an economy that has kept them rock bottom.

Anyone willing to wager where they will be should Ed balls get his hands on the cookie jar lid?

But I suppose we should all share any tiny bit of wealth we've got. More fool me for getting a mortgage!

Chizz

https://twitter.com/chislehurst/status/238437619963400193

Southendaddick

lol

May the best man win chizz and you definitely will once school children are involved

My 8 yr olds staunch labour, favourite colour is red

#headinsand

Chizz

Southendaddick said:

lol

May the best man win chizz and you definitely will once school children are involved

My 8 yr olds staunch labour, favourite colour is red

#headinsand

EVERYONE'S favourite colour should be red!

nth_london_addick

Yeah get a job don't get into debt by going uni and remember that not everyone will be an MD or CEO,

16 yr Olds voting is ridiculous and scandalous situation to even consider happening

kentaddick

MrOneLung said:

But if you cannot guarantee someone the hours why would you give them a contract guaranteeing hour.

If you had three workers who had zhc and worked 15 hours a week on average would it be better to only employ one on a 45 hours contract?

if you have a company that works in the creative industries, then, no. Say you need a job done quickly, then you get 3 guys in to get it done pronto. Give one guy that 45 hours to do it and it might actually take them slightly longer than 45 hours to do it.

Stig

Just off out to my polling station. Gonna be a long day.

ShootersHillGuru

Come on you reds ;0)

DamoNorthStand

Don't make me say come on you blues. It will make a little bit of sick come up.

queensland_addick

Wheresmeticket? said:

I'l be voting Labour tomorrow. They will slow down the process of denying healthcare and welfare to the poorest in our society, on principle the tories will speed that process up. They say they wont but they are lying. Their central principle is that society needs the poor to support the wealthy. The central principle of labour is thar wealth should, at least to some extent be shared. The idea that a few highly gifted entrepreneurs 'create' wealth for the rest of us is, to quote from another thread "beyond parody". Vote with your heart people.

What! You seriously believe that Tories are so evil that they would punish the poor in order that their rich friends can lead ever more opulent lives. How does that work then and what on earth would be the point anyway. Do you really believe that someone like Cameron needs to feather his own nest or that of his friends? Of course he does not and neither does Milliband for that matter. You'll probably find that there are more working class Tory MP's than Labour, most of whom have gone into politics straight from uni or have simply been "organisers" in the Union movement, never having had to run a business or run a budget in their lives. The truth is that the Government have to find a way of making 3 fit into 2 and any cuts are always going to affect the poor more than the rich unfortunately.

sadiejane1981

DamoNorthStand said:

Don't make me say come on you blues. It will make a little bit of sick come up.

Red Army! Red Army!

AddickUpNorth

Come on yooooouuu, er, independent Green...

brogib

https://youtu.be/CdhoDrSv7Q8

CharltonKerry

Just like to thank everybody for all their input on this thread, whilst not contributing I have been reading the majority of the comments, and I think I might have learnt something as well, so thanks again.

Bournemouth Addick

Remember kids...

brogib

CharltonKerry said:

Just like to thank everybody for all their input on this thread, whilst not contributing I have been reading the majority of the comments, and I think I might have learnt something as well, so thanks again.

Any time pal, sorry about SHG and AUN etc, just ignore them.

; )

CharltonKerry

Nice one brogib.

Fiiish

Chizz said:

So, Thursday morning, read this. Obviously, don't slavishly follow it, because no-one should tell you whom to vote for. But read it anyway, before popping to the polling station.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/vote-tory-and-youre-voting-for-the-rich-to-get-richer-and-the-poor-to-get-poorer-10230342.html

I think that's one of the poorest pieces of "journalism" I've read this campaign and considering I've read an Owen Jones piece that's saying something.

Same old boring anti-Tory tropes that simply aren't true. We're on polling day and one of Britain's lefties papers can't even present an actual real reason to vote against the Tories. Considering Labour have sold out the true left in this country, I could forgive papers for being so desperate but it's frankly pathetic where the left-wing movement currently stands considering how influential it was for most of the 20th century. If we want a real opposition in this country to neo-liberalism, we need to stop supporting a left-wing stuck in the 1970s and look at the modern left in Europe who are able to deliver competent socially-aware policies without the economic vandalism that used to accompany 1970s socialism.

Callumcafc

https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/596186686779957249

ShootersHillGuru

Fiiish said:

Chizz said:

So, Thursday morning, read this. Obviously, don't slavishly follow it, because no-one should tell you whom to vote for. But read it anyway, before popping to the polling station.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/vote-tory-and-youre-voting-for-the-rich-to-get-richer-and-the-poor-to-get-poorer-10230342.html

I think that's one of the poorest pieces of "journalism" I've read this campaign and considering I've read an Owen Jones piece that's saying something.

Same old boring anti-Tory tropes that simply aren't true. We're on polling day and one of Britain's lefties papers can't even present an actual real reason to vote against the Tories. Considering Labour have sold out the true left in this country, I could forgive papers for being so desperate but it's frankly pathetic where the left-wing movement currently stands considering how influential it was for most of the 20th century. If we want a real opposition in this country to neo-liberalism, we need to stop supporting a left-wing stuck in the 1970s and look at the modern left in Europe who are able to deliver competent socially-aware policies without the economic vandalism that used to accompany 1970s socialism.

Poorest pieces of journalism !!!!!!

You did see the front page of The Sun yesterday. Nothing could be more pathetic than that right wing piece of shit.

You are as usual myopic to the point of humour.

brogib

What about page 3 though

Bournemouth Addick

carly burn said:

Another thing that has not been mentioned much is Interest rates.

Like them or not, the Tories have managed an economy that has kept them rock bottom.

Anyone willing to wager where they will be should Ed balls get his hands on the cookie jar lid?

But I suppose we should all share any tiny bit of wealth we've got. More fool me for getting a mortgage!

Some of us are old enough to remember when the Tories didn't quite manage them as well too...

Fiiish said:

Chizz said:

So, Thursday morning, read this. Obviously, don't slavishly follow it, because no-one should tell you whom to vote for. But read it anyway, before popping to the polling station.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/vote-tory-and-youre-voting-for-the-rich-to-get-richer-and-the-poor-to-get-poorer-10230342.html

I think that's one of the poorest pieces of "journalism" I've read this campaign and considering I've read an Owen Jones piece that's saying something.

Same old boring anti-Tory tropes that simply aren't true. We're on polling day and one of Britain's lefties papers can't even present an actual real reason to vote against the Tories. Considering Labour have sold out the true left in this country, I could forgive papers for being so desperate but it's frankly pathetic where the left-wing movement currently stands considering how influential it was for most of the 20th century. If we want a real opposition in this country to neo-liberalism, we need to stop supporting a left-wing stuck in the 1970s and look at the modern left in Europe who are able to deliver competent socially-aware policies without the economic vandalism that used to accompany 1970s socialism.

It's an opinion piece from a left leaning stand up comedian who uses emotive situations and sarcasm to make his point. Christ there are enough Richard Littlejohns, Quintin Letts, Janet Daleys and Charles Moores around to fill The Valley as a counterpoint.

Callumcafc

brogib said:

What about page 3 though

Shouldn't exist. No need to pass a law though, just stop buying the bloody sh*t rag and maybe they'd start being a decent newspaper...