"The reason why most people in this country are disgusted by fox hunting is simply that as a modern civilised society we are utterly opposed to subjecting animals to pain and suffering purely and simply for the sake of pleasure/sport."
So it's OK to inflict pain and suffering s long as it's not for sport or pleasure.
If the hounds were let loose on their own to kill the foxes as it is more effective and humane than trying to shoot them, it would therefore be OK with you?
You would presumably dismiss out of hand any argument that their pleasure is not derived from the death of a fox but from testing their horsemanship and getting their mules fit for local point to point racing.
The modern civilised society has lost touch with the nature. Quoting civilised society that poisons rivers and destroys trees, hills, valleys and meadows to enhance modern society's demands on natural resources doesn't count for much in my book.
Modern civilised society says it's OK to destroy nature as long as it isn't "cruel" or pretty and bomb other civilised societies if they are deemed uncivilised. Modern civilised society has lost all connection with the natural world which it destroys at a whim and is in no position to pontificate on what is acceptable in our interaction with the natural world.
The fact is that nature keeps in balance by ruthless "cruelty" inflicted by one species on another. Pretending we are somehow aloof from this uncomfortable reality is why some get so screwed up with animal rights issue, its a deflection mechanism that makes you feel better about yourself.
Just live by your own beliefs but leave others to live with their own beliefs, you cant legislate on what people think just because you don't agree. I wouldn't join a fox hunt for many reasons, but I do not need to justify my reasoning by superimposing, against all logic, perverse motives in the minds of fox hunters that give me license to demonise and harass them.
I bet I could find paedophile sites that use the same twisted libertarian logic to justify why they should be free to pursue their particular activities!
This isn't the first time in this thread those opposed to a ban have been compared to sex offenders and it is equally as facile. Bit like in another thread recently where Tory voters were compared to Nazis.
Not the first time you have incorrectly inferred something to support your view! Clearly I don't compare opponents of a fox hunting ban to sex offenders. The point I was making is that the libertarian, who are we to proscribe what other people do, arguments against a ban are as facile and ridiculous as the arguments used by some paedophile groups.
How's tricks AUN me old veggie eating Mucka, would you be interested in some beautiful fox fur hats and gloves I am thinking of making 8)
Hope your feeling back on point mare in all seriousness
Think I'll pass on your offer of the hats and gloves. I may be up in Yorkshire but believe it or not, we have quite nice temperatures up here this time of year. If I need em come November I know where to come
As for me, yeah, things are on an upward projectory. A slow upward projectory but the black clouds are slowly lifting nonetheless. Cheers for asking @nth london addick
I will clean most of the flesh out and you can snack on the rest like a bit of Jerky 8)
Really glad you are on the up pal and keep keeping on mate, if you ever need an ear just send me a pm, good luck buddy I am just getting the hounds ready for a hunt
Dressing poodles up in suits for photoshoots is a bit exploitative, he's clearly on medication...
Not sure what all the fuss is about with foxes, have always found Leicester fans OK, its just a minority that shit everywhere, rummage in bins, shag in gardens and smell a bit that give the rest a bad name, no need for the savage witch hunt
Brian "Another Do as I say, not as I do merchant" May
Why do you see him as that, brogib? As far as he says, it seems Brian May, Doctor of astro-physics and famously Queen's guitarist, self-identifies as a "pure vegetarian", campaigns against animal-cruelty, and pays for ads from the influential vegan activist, Gary Yourofsky or anti-badger killing commercials to be widely broadcast. Seems he is fairly congruent these days?
Brian "Another Do as I say, not as I do merchant" May
Why do you see him as that, brogib? As far as he says, it seems Brian May, Doctor of astro-physics and famously Queen's guitarist, self-identifies as a "pure vegetarian", campaigns against animal-cruelty, and pays for ads from the influential vegan activist, Gary Yourofsky or anti-badger killing commercials to be widely broadcast. Seems he is fairly congruent these days?
But he's quite happy to lease out deer stalking in his estate. Why? Because he's happy to admit they need culling, yet he is also happy to villafy those involved in the activity elsewhere....
That and he also said something about hating British traditions, especially if it involves weirdly dressed old men, then he posed with a stupid gown and cap when passed some exam
Brian "Another Do as I say, not as I do merchant" May
Why do you see him as that, brogib? As far as he says, it seems Brian May, Doctor of astro-physics and famously Queen's guitarist, self-identifies as a "pure vegetarian", campaigns against animal-cruelty, and pays for ads from the influential vegan activist, Gary Yourofsky or anti-badger killing commercials to be widely broadcast. Seems he is fairly congruent these days?
But he's quite happy to lease out deer stalking in his estate. Why? Because he's happy to admit they need culling, yet he is also happy to villafy those involved in the activity elsewhere....
If that is recent, then I agree brogib, it is most definitely contradictory. However, he admits to be refining his views and choices on (non-human animal) cruelty for the better. It's a process...
I dislike fox hunting. However the current legislation is currently not fit for purpose and is almost impossible to enforce. Barely anyone has been convicted of it in connection with registered hunts. It is also worth noting that the legislation doesn't even criminalise hunting foxes, just the traditional method of letting the dogs rip the poor thing apart.
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That should do it
Hope your feeling back on point mare in all seriousness
Think I'll pass on your offer of the hats and gloves. I may be up in Yorkshire but believe it or not, we have quite nice temperatures up here this time of year. If I need em come November I know where to come
As for me, yeah, things are on an upward projectory. A slow upward projectory but the black clouds are slowly lifting nonetheless. Cheers for asking @nth london addick
Really glad you are on the up pal and keep keeping on mate, if you ever need an ear just send me a pm, good luck buddy I am just getting the hounds ready for a hunt
If it's a wrong 'un hunt you're setting out on, give me a shout. I'll hold your coat when the prey's in sight.
Not sure what all the fuss is about with foxes, have always found Leicester fans OK, its just a minority that shit everywhere, rummage in bins, shag in gardens and smell a bit that give the rest a bad name, no need for the savage witch hunt
That and he also said something about hating British traditions, especially if it involves weirdly dressed old men, then he posed with a stupid gown and cap when passed some exam
Police hunt gang caught chasing foxes with pack of dogs at night in middle of TOWN
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-hunt-gang-caught-chasing-6090242
The British public will not vote for Corbyn as PM end of.
Why the f***k would she bring this up? It ain't a vote winner for her, that's for sure.
lamping.
It'll be soft Brexit next.