We need some sort of 'Palace Cringe Alert' thread to keep up with all the shudderingly cringey Palace fan pics and videos that are out there. They always find a way to top themselves on that front
I used to work in Biggin Hill, close to Addington actually, and I got to know a lot of Crystal Palace fans. Now none of you will like what I write now, but some of them as people were absolute diamonds, really ace, nice guys and girls. They mainly were supporting their local team and had been taken there by older family members initially. Obviously if they had been first taken to the Valley, and then to Selhurst Park they would clearly have become Charlton fans, no contest. My attitude towards the people I knew, and liked, was 'forgive them for they know not what they do', they were great in every way except for the one enormous flaw of supporting Crystal Palace. I have also worked with Millwall fans who were diamonds too, god knows why but they were. What is nauseatingly stomach churning about either club is if you take the holistic approach and see the completeness of what they are, then they should both be sent back to division four where both were founder members, and where both clubs naturally belong. A division incidentally in which we have never ever played. So there are some nice Palace and Millwall fans and there are some idiotic Charlton fans, it is simply about the proportions, they have loads and loads of wallies, we have but a few.
There isn't a shadow of doubt that Ron Noades was one of the prime movers in Charlton leaving The Valley in 1985 and that had Noades not been in the mix we would have played in the old First Division at The Valley in the 1980s. There were lots of issues and John Fryer was another of them, but Noades was absolutely key. That is why we blame Palace.
There isn't a shadow of doubt that Ron Noades was one of the prime movers in Charlton leaving The Valley in 1985 and that had Noades not been in the mix we would have played in the old First Division at The Valley in the 1980s. There were lots of issues and John Fryer was another of them, but Noades was absolutely key.
There isn't a shadow of doubt that Ron Noades was one of the prime movers in Charlton leaving The Valley in 1985 and that had Noades not been in the mix we would have played in the old First Division at The Valley in the 1980s. There were lots of issues and John Fryer was another of them, but Noades was absolutely key.
So if not for him we may not have moved?
I think it's a certainty. He plotted the move with Fryer and they then assembled the issues as justification. I am not saying that there weren't problems to overcome at The Valley, but without Noades the club would have found a way round them. Note that the reasons given for moving out - loss of home Harvey Gardens Valley Grove turnstiles and closure of East Terrace - applied in exactly the same way when we came back and continued to do so until the east stand opened in 1994. The Harvey Gardens turnstile issue exists to this day and the club even sold off the land fronting Harvey Gardens when it came back.
I used to work in Biggin Hill, close to Addington actually, and I got to know a lot of Crystal Palace fans. Now none of you will like what I write now, but some of them as people were absolute diamonds, really ace, nice guys and girls. They mainly were supporting their local team and had been taken there by older family members initially. Obviously if they had been first taken to the Valley, and then to Selhurst Park they would clearly have become Charlton fans, no contest. My attitude towards the people I knew, and liked, was 'forgive them for they know not what they do', they were great in every way except for the one enormous flaw of supporting Crystal Palace. I have also worked with Millwall fans who were diamonds too, god knows why but they were. What is nauseatingly stomach churning about either club is if you take the holistic approach and see the completeness of what they are, then they should both be sent back to division four where both were founder members, and where both clubs naturally belong. A division incidentally in which we have never ever played. So there are some nice Palace and Millwall fans and there are some idiotic Charlton fans, it is simply about the proportions, they have loads and loads of wallies, we have but a few.
Didn't Jimmy Hill also Persuade Fryer to move to the dark side ?
No. Jimmy Hill was really a pal of Derek Ufton's. According to Derek, it was all down to Fryer as far as the Charlton board was concerned. Of course the others have an interest in saying that now and it isn't what they said then, but anyone who knows Derek would take him at his word.
There isn't a shadow of doubt that Ron Noades was one of the prime movers in Charlton leaving The Valley in 1985 and that had Noades not been in the mix we would have played in the old First Division at The Valley in the 1980s. There were lots of issues and John Fryer was another of them, but Noades was absolutely key.
So if not for him we may not have moved?
I think it's a certainty. He plotted the move with Fryer and they then assembled the issues as justification. I am not saying that there weren't problems to overcome at The Valley, but without Noades the club would have found a way round them. Note that the reasons given for moving out - loss of home Harvey Gardens turnstiles and closure of East Terrace - applied in exactly the same way when we came back and continued to do so until the east stand opened in 1994. The Harvey Gardens turnstile issue exists to this day and the club even sold off the land fronting Harvey Gardens when it came back.
Airman: - Did they not also cite an issue with Gliksten's supposed plans to utilise his 2 acres that were excluded from the lease? Would this have included the then Valley Grove turnstiles? Is there any recorded evidence (quotes) of Fryer's connivance with Noades? (I know it was commonly believed)
There isn't a shadow of doubt that Ron Noades was one of the prime movers in Charlton leaving The Valley in 1985 and that had Noades not been in the mix we would have played in the old First Division at The Valley in the 1980s. There were lots of issues and John Fryer was another of them, but Noades was absolutely key.
So if not for him we may not have moved?
I think it's a certainty. He plotted the move with Fryer and they then assembled the issues as justification. I am not saying that there weren't problems to overcome at The Valley, but without Noades the club would have found a way round them. Note that the reasons given for moving out - loss of home Harvey Gardens turnstiles and closure of East Terrace - applied in exactly the same way when we came back and continued to do so until the east stand opened in 1994. The Harvey Gardens turnstile issue exists to this day and the club even sold off the land fronting Harvey Gardens when it came back.
Airman: - Did they not also cite an issue with Gliksten's supposed plans to utilise his 2 acres that were excluded from the lease? Would this have included the then Valley Grove turnstiles? Is there any recorded evidence (quotes) of Fryer's connivance with Noades? (I know it was commonly believed)
The two acres and the Harvey Gardens Valley Grove turnstiles are the same issue. There were various discussions about selling bits of land, including as part of the funding for the return, but the turnstiles themselves were never material, as subsequent development has shown. Speaking to both Mike Norris (who I was told by a reliable source as far back as 1987 had always opposed the move) and Derek Ufton in the last year, they both tell the same story of Fryer conniving with Noades. Remember that Charlton played Palace at The Valley on August 20th, 1985, with the East Terrace closed and again on September 3rd at Selhurst Park, four days before the move was announced. It's not a coincidence.
Can someone enlighten to me as to why they call us the Clowns? Couldn't think of anything wittier?
Because its the best they could do Ross. Remember this is a club who have 'forced' a rivalry with Brighton, just so they can have a day at the seaside with their carers. All football clubs have an identity, which they (mostly) should be proud off, but The Nigels just dont have an identity, unless being 'grey' is an identity. Even though they are a league above us, I actually feel sorry for them, I really do.
There isn't a shadow of doubt that Ron Noades was one of the prime movers in Charlton leaving The Valley in 1985 and that had Noades not been in the mix we would have played in the old First Division at The Valley in the 1980s. There were lots of issues and John Fryer was another of them, but Noades was absolutely key. That is why we blame Palace.
What complete and utter bullshit. You left the Valley because you couldn't pay the bills. Simple as. 4,000 a week isn't going to do that.
Alter history I your own mind as you wish but the rest of us know the truth.
There isn't a shadow of doubt that Ron Noades was one of the prime movers in Charlton leaving The Valley in 1985 and that had Noades not been in the mix we would have played in the old First Division at The Valley in the 1980s. There were lots of issues and John Fryer was another of them, but Noades was absolutely key.
So if not for him we may not have moved?
I think it's a certainty. He plotted the move with Fryer and they then assembled the issues as justification. I am not saying that there weren't problems to overcome at The Valley, but without Noades the club would have found a way round them. Note that the reasons given for moving out - loss of home Harvey Gardens turnstiles and closure of East Terrace - applied in exactly the same way when we came back and continued to do so until the east stand opened in 1994. The Harvey Gardens turnstile issue exists to this day and the club even sold off the land fronting Harvey Gardens when it came back.
Airman: - Did they not also cite an issue with Gliksten's supposed plans to utilise his 2 acres that were excluded from the lease? Would this have included the then Valley Grove turnstiles? Is there any recorded evidence (quotes) of Fryer's connivance with Noades? (I know it was commonly believed)
The two acres and the Harvey Gardens turnstiles are the same issue. There were various discussions about selling bits of land, including as part of the funding for the return, but the turnstiles themselves were never material, as subsequent development has shown. Speaking to both Mike Norris (who I was told by a reliable source as far back as 1987 had always opposed the move) and Derek Ufton in the last year, they both tell the same story of Fryer conniving with Noades. Remember that Charlton played Palace at The Valley on August 20th, 1985, with the East Terrace closed and again on September 3rd at Selhurst Park, four days before the move was announced. It's not a coincidence.
Bollocks. The people of Greenwich didn't want to turn up and watch football.
You fucked yourselves and blamed everyone else for you failing.
Can someone enlighten to me as to why they call us the Clowns? Couldn't think of anything wittier?
Because its the best they could do Ross. Remember this is a club who have 'forced' a rivalry with Brighton, just so they can have a day at the seaside with their carers. All football clubs have an identity, which they (mostly) should be proud off, but The Nigels just dont have an identity, unless being 'grey' is an identity. Even though they are a league above us, I actually feel sorry for them, I really do.
There isn't a shadow of doubt that Ron Noades was one of the prime movers in Charlton leaving The Valley in 1985 and that had Noades not been in the mix we would have played in the old First Division at The Valley in the 1980s. There were lots of issues and John Fryer was another of them, but Noades was absolutely key. That is why we blame Palace.
What complete and utter bullshit. You left the Valley because you couldn't pay the bills. Simple as. 4,000 a week isn't going to do that.
Alter history I your own mind as you wish but the rest of us know the truth.
Ahh The Shatman himself. Oi Shat, I think that Airman may know a bit more about this than you my cross dressing friend.
Can someone enlighten to me as to why they call us the Clowns? Couldn't think of anything wittier?
Because its the best they could do Ross. Remember this is a club who have 'forced' a rivalry with Brighton, just so they can have a day at the seaside with their carers. All football clubs have an identity, which they (mostly) should be proud off, but The Nigels just dont have an identity, unless being 'grey' is an identity. Even though they are a league above us, I actually feel sorry for them, I really do.
Still don't know why we call them the nigels.
You have tried to force a rivalry with everyone.
You are laughable.
Oh dear Shat, you must be aware that you Nigel's are the laughing stock of British football? At least you've won something I spose!
Can someone enlighten to me as to why they call us the Clowns? Couldn't think of anything wittier?
Because its the best they could do Ross. Remember this is a club who have 'forced' a rivalry with Brighton, just so they can have a day at the seaside with their carers. All football clubs have an identity, which they (mostly) should be proud off, but The Nigels just dont have an identity, unless being 'grey' is an identity. Even though they are a league above us, I actually feel sorry for them, I really do.
There isn't a shadow of doubt that Ron Noades was one of the prime movers in Charlton leaving The Valley in 1985 and that had Noades not been in the mix we would have played in the old First Division at The Valley in the 1980s. There were lots of issues and John Fryer was another of them, but Noades was absolutely key.
So if not for him we may not have moved?
I think it's a certainty. He plotted the move with Fryer and they then assembled the issues as justification. I am not saying that there weren't problems to overcome at The Valley, but without Noades the club would have found a way round them. Note that the reasons given for moving out - loss of home Harvey Gardens turnstiles and closure of East Terrace - applied in exactly the same way when we came back and continued to do so until the east stand opened in 1994. The Harvey Gardens turnstile issue exists to this day and the club even sold off the land fronting Harvey Gardens when it came back.
Airman: - Did they not also cite an issue with Gliksten's supposed plans to utilise his 2 acres that were excluded from the lease? Would this have included the then Valley Grove turnstiles? Is there any recorded evidence (quotes) of Fryer's connivance with Noades? (I know it was commonly believed)
The two acres and the Harvey Gardens turnstiles are the same issue. There were various discussions about selling bits of land, including as part of the funding for the return, but the turnstiles themselves were never material, as subsequent development has shown. Speaking to both Mike Norris (who I was told by a reliable source as far back as 1987 had always opposed the move) and Derek Ufton in the last year, they both tell the same story of Fryer conniving with Noades. Remember that Charlton played Palace at The Valley on August 20th, 1985, with the East Terrace closed and again on September 3rd at Selhurst Park, four days before the move was announced. It's not a coincidence.
Bollocks. The people of Greenwich didn't want to turn up and watch football.
You fucked yourselves and blamed everyone else for you failing.
Pathetic.
Haven't you got another badge/kit colour/nickname change to vote on instead of coming on here? You must be very busy going onto the forum of every club that you're not rivals with and drivelling on.
There isn't a shadow of doubt that Ron Noades was one of the prime movers in Charlton leaving The Valley in 1985 and that had Noades not been in the mix we would have played in the old First Division at The Valley in the 1980s. There were lots of issues and John Fryer was another of them, but Noades was absolutely key.
So if not for him we may not have moved?
I think it's a certainty. He plotted the move with Fryer and they then assembled the issues as justification. I am not saying that there weren't problems to overcome at The Valley, but without Noades the club would have found a way round them. Note that the reasons given for moving out - loss of home Harvey Gardens turnstiles and closure of East Terrace - applied in exactly the same way when we came back and continued to do so until the east stand opened in 1994. The Harvey Gardens turnstile issue exists to this day and the club even sold off the land fronting Harvey Gardens when it came back.
Airman: - Did they not also cite an issue with Gliksten's supposed plans to utilise his 2 acres that were excluded from the lease? Would this have included the then Valley Grove turnstiles? Is there any recorded evidence (quotes) of Fryer's connivance with Noades? (I know it was commonly believed)
The two acres and the Harvey Gardens turnstiles are the same issue. There were various discussions about selling bits of land, including as part of the funding for the return, but the turnstiles themselves were never material, as subsequent development has shown. Speaking to both Mike Norris (who I was told by a reliable source as far back as 1987 had always opposed the move) and Derek Ufton in the last year, they both tell the same story of Fryer conniving with Noades. Remember that Charlton played Palace at The Valley on August 20th, 1985, with the East Terrace closed and again on September 3rd at Selhurst Park, four days before the move was announced. It's not a coincidence.
That's interesting, thank you. I always thought (mistakenly it appears) that the 2 acres was based at the rear of the West Stand car park butting onto or including the Valley Grove turnstiles.
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Obviously if they had been first taken to the Valley, and then to Selhurst Park they would clearly have become Charlton fans, no contest.
My attitude towards the people I knew, and liked, was 'forgive them for they know not what they do', they were great in every way except for the one enormous flaw of supporting Crystal Palace.
I have also worked with Millwall fans who were diamonds too, god knows why but they were.
What is nauseatingly stomach churning about either club is if you take the holistic approach and see the completeness of what they are, then they should both be sent back to division four where both were founder members, and where both clubs naturally belong. A division incidentally in which we have never ever played.
So there are some nice Palace and Millwall fans and there are some idiotic Charlton fans, it is simply about the proportions, they have loads and loads of wallies, we have but a few.
Harvey GardensValley Grove turnstiles and closure of East Terrace - applied in exactly the same way when we came back and continued to do so until the east stand opened in 1994. The Harvey Gardens turnstile issue exists to this day and the club even sold off the land fronting Harvey Gardens when it came back.Did they not also cite an issue with Gliksten's supposed plans to utilise his 2 acres that were excluded from the lease? Would this have included the then Valley Grove turnstiles?
Is there any recorded evidence (quotes) of Fryer's connivance with Noades? (I know it was commonly believed)
Harvey GardensValley Grove turnstiles are the same issue. There were various discussions about selling bits of land, including as part of the funding for the return, but the turnstiles themselves were never material, as subsequent development has shown. Speaking to both Mike Norris (who I was told by a reliable source as far back as 1987 had always opposed the move) and Derek Ufton in the last year, they both tell the same story of Fryer conniving with Noades. Remember that Charlton played Palace at The Valley on August 20th, 1985, with the East Terrace closed and again on September 3rd at Selhurst Park, four days before the move was announced. It's not a coincidence.Alter history I your own mind as you wish but the rest of us know the truth.
You fucked yourselves and blamed everyone else for you failing.
Pathetic.
You are laughable.
Oi Shat, I think that Airman may know a bit more about this than you my cross dressing friend.
I always thought (mistakenly it appears) that the 2 acres was based at the rear of the West Stand car park butting onto or including the Valley Grove turnstiles.