Luzon explains team selection tonight
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exactly how I feel. I came away thinking thank God I don't support that lot. A flying eagle, goal music, cheerleaders, the way they announce the scorer, their fans. What a bunch.palarsehater said:no matter what team we put out last night, we couldn't beat Rotherham, Huddersfield or Blackburn, against palace would of been no different imo, they were all over us, all you have to do is watch the highlights and tore us apart, guy needs a win to justify not selecting strongest squad but if he had I don't think we would be looking forward to a trip to the Etihad, games been lost it was embarrassing being there last night but as much as it pains me to say it palace are a decent team footballing wise, there fans the goal music fake atmosphere bollocks is a different story, but we have Cardiff on Saturday and lets hope we can put a stop to this run of form were in.
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Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
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Well yes, injuries and the effect its having on our thin squad.kentred2 said:
Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
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I'm calm about the whole thing but it is disappointing that we drew our local rival, who we're not going to see again for a while, and chucked out a weakened team. I would have much rather seen us have a go. But oh well. I do think that once it became clear Makienok and Henderson weren't going to be back in time Luzon decided to mitigate the sense of failure by throwing in fringe players and children rather than lining up with the best we had available and still getting tonked1
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Cant see who we could have started with that would have made enough of a difference for us to beat them. First half they had 68% possession. Second half they scored 4. We got beat by the better team.
Bigger problem is that I cant see us winning our next game. That's where Luzon needs to pull his finger out - get the players motivated again and ready for a fight.2 -
We need a win to stop the current rot and Watt needs to get back on the scoresheet. We basically wasted one game and let that carry on for no real reason. It's not like we won't have to play 3 times in a week this season anyway, would be better carrying on now and rotating once we actually get players back from injuries and have the depth to do so. I've never been that bothered by the League Cup but it's not like we're saving fresh legs for a playoff push really is it?0
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Watt up front and JBG on the wing might have given us an outlet, instead of pumping it up to youngsters who looked like they were surprised to be anywhere near the ball on the odd occasion it did go within their vicinity. That's probably what pushed me over the edge. Starting with those guys was one thing, having no game plan (or at least, not a realistic one) to at least get into the game was another.3
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And that is the real problem. So why have we got such a thin squad again?ValleyGary said:
Well yes, injuries and the effect its having on our thin squad.kentred2 said:
Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
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Is it because we let loads of players go but didnt get enough players in ?5
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Hey Guy,
Look how strong a team these clubs picked.
You pissed all over our cup final - and yes it was our cup final.
Man Utd team
01 de Gea
25 A Valencia
12 Smalling (Jones - 70' )
17 Blind
18 Young
31 Schweinsteiger
21 Herrera
08 Mata (Martial - 70' )
10 Rooney (Depay - 81' )
44 Pereira
27 Fellaini
Spurs team
13 Vorm
16 Trippier
21 Fazio
27 Wimmer
03 Rose
15 Dier (N'Jie - 85' )
28 Carroll
17 Townsend (Son Heung-min - 67' )
23 Eriksen
22 Chadli (Alli - 75' Booked )
10 Kane
Arsenal team
13 Ospina
02 Debuchy Booked
21 Chambers
04 Mertesacker
03 Gibbs
20 Flamini Booked
08 Arteta Booked
28 Campbell (Sánchez - 67' )
16 Ramsey
15 Oxlade-Chamberlain (Walcott - 89' )
12 Giroud
chelsea team
01 Begovic
02 Ivanovic
26 Terry Booked
24 Cahill
06 Baba
12 Mikel Booked
36 Loftus-Cheek (Matic - 72' )
07 Ramires
16 Nunes do Nascimento (Pedro - 70' )
18 Remy
09 Falcao2 - Sponsored links:
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Just to check, this is a parody post right?MrOneLung said:Hey Guy,
Look how strong a team these clubs picked.
You pissed all over our cup final - and yes it was our cup final.
Man Utd team
01 de Gea
25 A Valencia
12 Smalling (Jones - 70' )
17 Blind
18 Young
31 Schweinsteiger
21 Herrera
08 Mata (Martial - 70' )
10 Rooney (Depay - 81' )
44 Pereira
27 Fellaini
Spurs team
13 Vorm
16 Trippier
21 Fazio
27 Wimmer
03 Rose
15 Dier (N'Jie - 85' )
28 Carroll
17 Townsend (Son Heung-min - 67' )
23 Eriksen
22 Chadli (Alli - 75' Booked )
10 Kane
Arsenal team
13 Ospina
02 Debuchy Booked
21 Chambers
04 Mertesacker
03 Gibbs
20 Flamini Booked
08 Arteta Booked
28 Campbell (Sánchez - 67' )
16 Ramsey
15 Oxlade-Chamberlain (Walcott - 89' )
12 Giroud
chelsea team
01 Begovic
02 Ivanovic
26 Terry Booked
24 Cahill
06 Baba
12 Mikel Booked
36 Loftus-Cheek (Matic - 72' )
07 Ramires
16 Nunes do Nascimento (Pedro - 70' )
18 Remy
09 Falcao0 -
I'm pretty sure our best players or strong attacking players such as JBG would have wanted the test against premier league opposition.
What Luzon has done is massively counter active and frustrating.7 -
If you want to rest players, don't bring them on... if it's fitness levels and they can't do 2 games in 3 days then they should be off the payroll; and if it's because of being scared of injuries - why play them at all? (Watt & Gudmundsson coming on when it's too late.)ValleyGary said:Fans are obviously upset because it was Palace but if he made the same choices against WBA, Aston Villa or West Ham, it wouldn't even be an issue.
He made 4 changes, thats it. The players that came in are more than capable of putting in a decent performance. JBG and Watt can make a difference, but if they picked up a knock and miss a few games, we could seriously find ourselves in a relegation battle before too long.
I think he's made a decision that is unfortunately part and parcel of having a thin squad.
It's obvious you hate Millwall more than Palace, and I doubt your stance would have been the same if our semi reserve XI got beat by Millwall.. so it's no different here. They were of a good Championship quality, or a lower Prem side in 1st or 2nd gear tonight.
Luzon has lost a lot of fans tonight, the players haven't. I respect Luzons tactics usually, but this was a blunder. He's multiplied his pressure for Cardiff now.5 -
I don't get why people aren't seeing why that team was put out? Or why we are trying to avoid using players with knocks.ValleyGary said:
Well yes, injuries and the effect its having on our thin squad.kentred2 said:
Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
Seriously guys, use your noggins.0 -
Watt can't hit a barn door at the moment (and that's only if he gets a shot away!), so I don't think that'd have changed anything.JiMMy 85 said:Watt up front and JBG on the wing might have given us an outlet, instead of pumping it up to youngsters who looked like they were surprised to be anywhere near the ball on the odd occasion it did go within their vicinity. That's probably what pushed me over the edge. Starting with those guys was one thing, having no game plan (or at least, not a realistic one) to at least get into the game was another.
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It should have been a strong team. All this protection and wrapping up in cotton wool.Dazzler21 said:
I don't get why people aren't seeing why that team was put out? Or why we are trying to avoid using players with knocks.ValleyGary said:
Well yes, injuries and the effect its having on our thin squad.kentred2 said:
Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
Seriously guys, use your noggins.
We wanted to our best proffesional footballers play a proffessional football match.
And that all it is A FOOTBALL MATCH NOT THE D-DAY BLEEDING LANDINGS.6 -
I wonder if Luzon may have been pressured to play a stronger team or certain players if the game was on TV, a la Sheffield Utd.3
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But it's not our strongest team if they're carrying knocks AND THE LEAGUE IS MORE IMPORTANTstonewallpenalty said:
It should have been a strong team. All this protection and wrapping up in cotton wool.Dazzler21 said:
I don't get why people aren't seeing why that team was put out? Or why we are trying to avoid using players with knocks.ValleyGary said:
Well yes, injuries and the effect its having on our thin squad.kentred2 said:
Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
Seriously guys, use your noggins.
We wanted to our best proffesional footballers play a proffessional football match.
And that all it is A FOOTBALL MATCH NOT THE D-DAY BLEEDING LANDINGS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR NEED TO SHOUT.0 -
Not even remotely comparable is it.......CAFC Luke said:If I am manager of a business and have an important business deal to seal with old clients, I don't send the graduates to complete it because I'm scared that my main associates may come back with a cold... So why would you in football?
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palarsehater says it as it is......FACT!palarsehater said:no matter what team we put out last night, we couldn't beat Rotherham, Huddersfield or Blackburn, against palace would of been no different imo, they were all over us, all you have to do is watch the highlights and tore us apart, guy needs a win to justify not selecting strongest squad but if he had I don't think we would be looking forward to a trip to the Etihad, games been lost it was embarrassing being there last night but as much as it pains me to say it palace are a decent team footballing wise, there fans the goal music fake atmosphere bollocks is a different story, but we have Cardiff on Saturday and lets hope we can put a stop to this run of form were in.
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Don't get the league is more important line. Last night was the ONE chance of getting through to the next round of a competition, but there are 38 games left to get the 40 odd points needed to stay in the Championship (The Belgian's aim).Dazzler21 said:
But it's not our strongest team if they're carrying knocks AND THE LEAGUE IS MORE IMPORTANTstonewallpenalty said:
It should have been a strong team. All this protection and wrapping up in cotton wool.Dazzler21 said:
I don't get why people aren't seeing why that team was put out? Or why we are trying to avoid using players with knocks.ValleyGary said:
Well yes, injuries and the effect its having on our thin squad.kentred2 said:
Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
Seriously guys, use your noggins.
We wanted to our best proffesional footballers play a proffessional football match.
And that all it is A FOOTBALL MATCH NOT THE D-DAY BLEEDING LANDINGS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR NEED TO SHOUT.
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Exactly......... Henry.Henry Irving said:
And that is the real problem. So why have we got such a thin squad again?ValleyGary said:
Well yes, injuries and the effect its having on our thin squad.kentred2 said:
Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
I am afraid I have always been a 'cup man' do not buy this resting players stuff, certainly no guarantee at this stage of the season that really is a valid enough reason.
The squad depth looks very 'thin' and I assume that the red card means a suspension for how long!..... If you were going to bring on Watt and JBG why wait till you are 2-0 down.
Stand by your decision..... or go for it, from the start. Hopefully Guy is on the phone today/tommorow phoning around for 'cover' if he has not been already.0 -
Do you think he does that, particularly having apparently limited English and a very limited history with other managers? I doubt it, which may be part of the problem?ken from bexley said:
Exactly......... Henry.Henry Irving said:
And that is the real problem. So why have we got such a thin squad again?ValleyGary said:
Well yes, injuries and the effect its having on our thin squad.kentred2 said:
Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
I am afraid I have always been a 'cup man' do not buy this resting players stuff, certainly no guarantee at this stage of the season that really is a valid enough reason.
The squad depth looks very 'thin' and I assume that the red card means a suspension for how long!..... If you were going to bring on Watt and JBG why wait till you are 2-0 down.
Stand by your decision..... or go for it, from the start. Hopefully Guy is on the phone today/tommorow phoning around for 'cover' if he has not been already.3 -
That's what they want to do. it's more of an American model,LargeAddick said:
exactly how I feel. I came away thinking thank God I don't support that lot. A flying eagle, goal music, cheerleaders, the way they announce the scorer, their fans. What a bunch.palarsehater said:no matter what team we put out last night, we couldn't beat Rotherham, Huddersfield or Blackburn, against palace would of been no different imo, they were all over us, all you have to do is watch the highlights and tore us apart, guy needs a win to justify not selecting strongest squad but if he had I don't think we would be looking forward to a trip to the Etihad, games been lost it was embarrassing being there last night but as much as it pains me to say it palace are a decent team footballing wise, there fans the goal music fake atmosphere bollocks is a different story, but we have Cardiff on Saturday and lets hope we can put a stop to this run of form were in.
A family club with the comical young ultras thrown in for a LOL.
It's not our club so WTF is the chip on the shoulder all about ?
This is directed at all CAFC people who keep going on about the Palace Disney world.
I came away thinking their football team is light years ahead of us.
Their number 3 striker got a hatrick and their number 4 striker finally scored with his fourth chance of the night. (Campbell) plus their 5th striker Bamford would be a top scorer in the championship if he played every week at that level.
They have poured the TV money into the team and the ground is the worst in the premiership.
Shit team or shit ground ? they can move to a better part of Surrey if they stay in the Premier much longer.
I would want the ground and the team to grow together.
The valley is a decent Championship ground.
The team is a ??? mid table team on a good day.
but if its one or the other.
It's a no brainer just like some of the people who showed up in the ground last night.
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Not at all - was showing that these clubs, who presumably have got bigger fish to fry, still put out strong teams. All those teams woudl say 'the elague is more important'FishCostaFortune said:
Just to check, this is a parody post right?MrOneLung said:Hey Guy,
Look how strong a team these clubs picked.
You pissed all over our cup final - and yes it was our cup final.
Man Utd team
01 de Gea
25 A Valencia
12 Smalling (Jones - 70' )
17 Blind
18 Young
31 Schweinsteiger
21 Herrera
08 Mata (Martial - 70' )
10 Rooney (Depay - 81' )
44 Pereira
27 Fellaini
Spurs team
13 Vorm
16 Trippier
21 Fazio
27 Wimmer
03 Rose
15 Dier (N'Jie - 85' )
28 Carroll
17 Townsend (Son Heung-min - 67' )
23 Eriksen
22 Chadli (Alli - 75' Booked )
10 Kane
Arsenal team
13 Ospina
02 Debuchy Booked
21 Chambers
04 Mertesacker
03 Gibbs
20 Flamini Booked
08 Arteta Booked
28 Campbell (Sánchez - 67' )
16 Ramsey
15 Oxlade-Chamberlain (Walcott - 89' )
12 Giroud
chelsea team
01 Begovic
02 Ivanovic
26 Terry Booked
24 Cahill
06 Baba
12 Mikel Booked
36 Loftus-Cheek (Matic - 72' )
07 Ramires
16 Nunes do Nascimento (Pedro - 70' )
18 Remy
09 Falcao
I can understand arsenal and Spurs putting out strong teams - they were playing their local rivals and the fans would be upset if they didn't - oh hold on...
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They are nowhere near full strength sides.MrOneLung said:
Not at all - was showing that these clubs, who presumably have got bigger fish to fry, still put out strong teams. All those teams woudl say 'the elague is more important'FishCostaFortune said:
Just to check, this is a parody post right?MrOneLung said:Hey Guy,
Look how strong a team these clubs picked.
You pissed all over our cup final - and yes it was our cup final.
Man Utd team
01 de Gea
25 A Valencia
12 Smalling (Jones - 70' )
17 Blind
18 Young
31 Schweinsteiger
21 Herrera
08 Mata (Martial - 70' )
10 Rooney (Depay - 81' )
44 Pereira
27 Fellaini
Spurs team
13 Vorm
16 Trippier
21 Fazio
27 Wimmer
03 Rose
15 Dier (N'Jie - 85' )
28 Carroll
17 Townsend (Son Heung-min - 67' )
23 Eriksen
22 Chadli (Alli - 75' Booked )
10 Kane
Arsenal team
13 Ospina
02 Debuchy Booked
21 Chambers
04 Mertesacker
03 Gibbs
20 Flamini Booked
08 Arteta Booked
28 Campbell (Sánchez - 67' )
16 Ramsey
15 Oxlade-Chamberlain (Walcott - 89' )
12 Giroud
chelsea team
01 Begovic
02 Ivanovic
26 Terry Booked
24 Cahill
06 Baba
12 Mikel Booked
36 Loftus-Cheek (Matic - 72' )
07 Ramires
16 Nunes do Nascimento (Pedro - 70' )
18 Remy
09 Falcao
I can understand arsenal and Spurs putting out strong teams - they were playing their local rivals and the fans would be upset if they didn't - oh hold on...2 -
I thought we had this 'scouting network' What is Phil Chapple doing these days?. Has every manager not had to deal with this 'issue' at one time or another. remind me again of how many foreign managers there are in the top division..... on second thoughts just name the British...........Airman Brown said:
Do you think he does that, particularly having apparently limited English and a very limited history with other managers? I doubt it, which may be part of the problem?ken from bexley said:
Exactly......... Henry.Henry Irving said:
And that is the real problem. So why have we got such a thin squad again?ValleyGary said:
Well yes, injuries and the effect its having on our thin squad.kentred2 said:
Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
I am afraid I have always been a 'cup man' do not buy this resting players stuff, certainly no guarantee at this stage of the season that really is a valid enough reason.
The squad depth looks very 'thin' and I assume that the red card means a suspension for how long!..... If you were going to bring on Watt and JBG why wait till you are 2-0 down.
Stand by your decision..... or go for it, from the start. Hopefully Guy is on the phone today/tommorow phoning around for 'cover' if he has not been already.0 -
Phil Chapple finds players and is told we're not signing them - isn't that how our scouting network works these days?ken from bexley said:
I thought we had this 'scouting network' What is Phil Chapple doing these days?. Has every manager not had to deal with this 'issue' at one time or another. remind me again of how many foreign managers there are in the top division..... on second thoughts just name the British...........Airman Brown said:
Do you think he does that, particularly having apparently limited English and a very limited history with other managers? I doubt it, which may be part of the problem?ken from bexley said:
Exactly......... Henry.Henry Irving said:
And that is the real problem. So why have we got such a thin squad again?ValleyGary said:
Well yes, injuries and the effect its having on our thin squad.kentred2 said:
Yes the latest in a long line of idiots. If there is a need to prioritise for two games in four days then something is majorly wrongValleyGary said:
No you are right. Luzon is the first manager ever with a thin squad in the history of the game to put in place priority fixtures. What is he thinking.kentred2 said:Um how about trying to win both matches. It's not an either or.
I am afraid I have always been a 'cup man' do not buy this resting players stuff, certainly no guarantee at this stage of the season that really is a valid enough reason.
The squad depth looks very 'thin' and I assume that the red card means a suspension for how long!..... If you were going to bring on Watt and JBG why wait till you are 2-0 down.
Stand by your decision..... or go for it, from the start. Hopefully Guy is on the phone today/tommorow phoning around for 'cover' if he has not been already.4 -
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