STs not turning up doesnt make much difference, visual demos, food/ merch strike will hurt
Course it will. By sitting in your seat it gives the impression you are consenting to the way the club is being run regardless of whether you hold a poster up for a minute or not. Boycotting sends the message bluntly and is more blatant than turning up and not buying hot dogs.
Attending is enabling them to carry on with the current strategy as it is.
I reckon the attendance is 8/9,000 in home areas today, I don't think an organised boycott would really take those numbers down much more.
Well if that is the case and 8000 are happy with the way things are then I really fear for the future under this current lot. We'll be a Millwall that can't win derbies.
I'm not sure that going to a football match automatically equals approving of the way the club is being run
Well it certainly doesn't equal dissaproval
But lots of people who went to the game today managed to show their disapproval...
And it was forgotten about and not mentioned by the 3rd minute. If those protesting hadn't turned up that's a 90 minute protest that is much more impacting and meaningful as the club knows how hard it is to stay away for fans so would speak volumes and they may actually address things.
Today's protest could occur at every match for the rest of the season and will make very little difference unfortunately despite the commendable and admirable best efforts of those involved.
The protest hasn't been forgotten though, it still being discussed.
It has been picked up by the media. It will continue as long a fans are willing to act.
Whose talking about your personal boycott? Have the media interviewed you? Has KM mentioned your boycott?
No? Well of course not because it is invisable to everyone. The club don't know if you are boycotting or just not coming. If they do know that isn't embarrassing them in public. Other fans cant see it like they can the black and white scarves.
The CEO isn't being giving leaflets in the streets about your person boycott and won't have to respond as she did in today's programme.
That's not digging you out as any genuine boycott where someone is choosing not to come when otherwise they would be attending is laudable but by its nature it is invisable.
Spell It Out is just 6 weeks old. It is not perfect, it won't please everyone as I said at the very beginning but it is something.
It might be that there will need to be more actions, more protests, different avenues of attack and one of those could be a walk out or a boycott but why go for the nuclear option from day one.
Joe @ Addickted2TheReds has done a great job and a lot of fans stepped up to leaflet today. Well done to everyone who helped in whatever way. They are the true spirit of Charlton.
The fight goes on. Nothing has been won yet. The CEO has to deliver on the promises she made as a result of Spell It Out and the car park protests. The CEO has to do a lot more and a lot better so keep the pressure up.
I got a few comments but nothing nasty or abusive but I was surprised at the number who said no thanks and were happy at the way things are going. How can you be happy? Two years on and we are really no better off, ok you might not want to protest, but happy?
Made the point of trying to be friendly and courteous giving out leaflets and explaining. Still got a couple of 'f*** off' and 'f*** your protests' which I suspect is easy directing at me but would have been entertaining directing to someone like @Cardinal Sin.
Best retort I got was 'no thank you. I know about football and you don't'.
98% were supportive though.
Really is alarming watching the crowd filter through for 90 mins realising just how old our support is (no offence to anyone).
Personally I feel the club is dying on its arse and that the very small level of U30s we have going will continue to drift away. Once the older numbers go, we won't be replacing in anywhere near the same numbers.
Me, Dave Storry and RedMidland watched a game the season before last and took the average age up to 117. ;(
I went for a gentleman's comfort break in Bartrams at 10.30 and the security were all giving the vibrating wand to the Ipswich guests and directors at the main entrance. I don't know who was there to welcome them, but it wasn't Katrien because she arrived for work today at 11.07, and probably didn't even get started until 11.20 after she'd had the vibrating wand treatment too.
Think some people are forgetting the number of our fans that are neither against or in support of our ownership. They go to football on a Saturday afternoon and once it's done, don't think about Charlton until the next time they play. They don't post online or talk about CAFC on social media. It's summed up in our away numbers. Since the Prem years it's always seemed to me that a fair percentage of our support is made up of people who come to the Valley cos it's just 'something to do'.
Not sure how it was portrayed on sky as I was at the ground but it did go pretty much as I expected.
A lot more than 2% held up a banner though so hopefully she got the message although the vast majority seemed to be north upper so doubt it was seen on tv.
Precisely ,....and how better a message than boycott? KM will be on the blower later "Yeah a fair few held up some posters in the second minute but still cheered the team on and clapped them off so Operation clusterfuck is still well on track my dear leader as the mugs will still turn up next game."
A few tame protests will make fuck all difference to Roland....a bloke who won't even afford fans the courtesy of attending to see his experiment going pear shaped. Liege fans stormed his office and it didn't make a jot of difference.
Dialogue via the Trust and tame protests will not make any difference. If you are genuinely unhappy with the strategy and running of the club then boycott home games.... nothing else with have any meaningful impact and we'll continue to slide.
The protests are still in their 'spreading the word' stage so a boycott will not meet that aim. After the protest today the guy in front of me turned and asked what it was about. He now knows but had I boycotted the match he most likely would not. Once the word has spread sufficiently then a boycott MAY work.
Really thought the protest was good today, haven't seen it on sky yet but will watch the first couple of minutes later.
Very Charlton, peaceful, well organised and effective, maybe the CEO could learn something from the fans!
Well done to all those involved, clearly showed more people in the ground support it than are against it, let alone all those who have clearly turned their back on this set up already.
Really thought the protest was good today, haven't seen it on sky yet but will watch the first couple of minutes later.
Very Charlton, peaceful, well organised and effective, maybe the CEO could learn something from the fans!
Well done to all those involved, clearly showed more people in the ground support it than are against it, let alone all those who have clearly turned their back on this set up already.
Yes, she certainly cannot make the excuse that she felt 'threatened' this time.
And the 2% figure has been truly exposed ...add all the stay-aways and its probably more like 40%.
Was nice bumping into Katrien with her earphones in though and handing her a leaflet.
Thought she would have been down there earlier than 70mins before KO though....
She was probably listening to a Lady T remix compilation.
After finishing work at 7 this am and having 3 hours kip I was concerned this could be a damp squib. Especially after walking down Harvey Gardens and watching people ignore ladies and gentlemen handing out the protest papers.
However that was fantastic to see (from the lower west) the upper north, lower north and east stand as one standing up for what they believe in.
Sky apparently mentioned this and the CEO was shown on camera. Job done and same again for the Leeds game.
I got a few comments but nothing nasty or abusive but I was surprised at the number who said no thanks and were happy at the way things are going. How can you be happy? Two years on and we are really no better off, ok you might not want to protest, but happy?
I'm lost for words
They're fans and they pay their money and that's their opinion. Bear in mind they were happy after 2 good wins and the positive signing of Vaz Te. They probably thought we had turned the corner.
Saw the protest on Sky, the cameras showed some of the fans holding up the 2% posters, then they panned to KM in Directors box who looked completely unfazed by it all, I even thought she has a smirk on her face, but cant be sure. Well done to all who took part, but with this bunch it seems like water off a ducks back!!
All that energy, all that enthusiasm, all those skills, all the unpaid commitment.
Wouldn't it be great if the CEO could utilise it all, if she'd work with those fans, really work with them, not pay lip service to the idea.
What an asset that would be to the club.
Your choice Katrien. Swallow your pride and accept some help.
None of us can help with the basic gap which is knowledge of professional football. For that Charlton need a new owner, a new CEO, a new manager and some experienced players.
All that energy, all that enthusiasm, all those skills, all the unpaid commitment.
Wouldn't it be great if the CEO could utilise it all, if she'd work with those fans, really work with them, not pay lip service to the idea.
What an asset that would be to the club.
Your choice Katrien. Swallow your pride and accept some help.
None of us can help with the basic gap which is knowledge of professional football. For that Charlton need a new owner, a new CEO, a new manager and some experienced players.
No, you're wrong. Quite a few fans know about running a football club and one club in particular.
All that energy, all that enthusiasm, all those skills, all the unpaid commitment.
Wouldn't it be great if the CEO could utilise it all, if she'd work with those fans, really work with them, not pay lip service to the idea.
What an asset that would be to the club.
Your choice Katrien. Swallow your pride and accept some help.
None of us can help with the basic gap which is knowledge of professional football. For that Charlton need a new owner, a new CEO, a new manager and some experienced players.
Really? So Target 10,000 (the original not the sequel) Valley Express remind who ran with those ideas?
All that energy, all that enthusiasm, all those skills, all the unpaid commitment.
Wouldn't it be great if the CEO could utilise it all, if she'd work with those fans, really work with them, not pay lip service to the idea.
What an asset that would be to the club.
Your choice Katrien. Swallow your pride and accept some help.
None of us can help with the basic gap which is knowledge of professional football. For that Charlton need a new owner, a new CEO, a new manager and some experienced players.
No, you're wrong. Quite a few fans know about running a football club and one in particular.
Wait, is the aim of this protest to get the club to employ(re-employ in some cases) certain fans in high up positions?
Comments
It has been picked up by the media. It will continue as long a fans are willing to act.
Whose talking about your personal boycott? Have the media interviewed you? Has KM mentioned your boycott?
No? Well of course not because it is invisable to everyone. The club don't know if you are boycotting or just not coming. If they do know that isn't embarrassing them in public. Other fans cant see it like they can the black and white scarves.
The CEO isn't being giving leaflets in the streets about your person boycott and won't have to respond as she did in today's programme.
That's not digging you out as any genuine boycott where someone is choosing not to come when otherwise they would be attending is laudable but by its nature it is invisable.
Spell It Out is just 6 weeks old. It is not perfect, it won't please everyone as I said at the very beginning but it is something.
It might be that there will need to be more actions, more protests, different avenues of attack and one of those could be a walk out or a boycott but why go for the nuclear option from day one.
Joe @ Addickted2TheReds has done a great job and a lot of fans stepped up to leaflet today. Well done to everyone who helped in whatever way. They are the true spirit of Charlton.
The fight goes on. Nothing has been won yet. The CEO has to deliver on the promises she made as a result of Spell It Out and the car park protests. The CEO has to do a lot more and a lot better so keep the pressure up.
Thought she would have been down there earlier than 70mins before KO though....
I don't know who was there to welcome them, but it wasn't Katrien because she arrived for work today at 11.07, and probably didn't even get started until 11.20 after she'd had the vibrating wand treatment too.
A lot more than 2% held up a banner though so hopefully she got the message although the vast majority seemed to be north upper so doubt it was seen on tv.
I would say less than 2% sang the song though...
I didn't top it but got Dave Berry about ten minutes later
Very Charlton, peaceful, well organised and effective, maybe the CEO could learn something from the fans!
Well done to all those involved, clearly showed more people in the ground support it than are against it, let alone all those who have clearly turned their back on this set up already.
And the 2% figure has been truly exposed ...add all the stay-aways and its probably more like 40%.
After finishing work at 7 this am and having 3 hours kip I was concerned this could be a damp squib. Especially after walking down Harvey Gardens and watching people ignore ladies and gentlemen handing out the protest papers.
However that was fantastic to see (from the lower west) the upper north, lower north and east stand as one standing up for what they believe in.
Sky apparently mentioned this and the CEO was shown on camera. Job done and same again for the Leeds game.
Wouldn't it be great if the CEO could utilise it all, if she'd work with those fans, really work with them, not pay lip service to the idea.
What an asset that would be to the club.
Your choice Katrien. Swallow your pride and accept some help.
She's just unwilling to admit that she needs help.
"Imposter syndrome" is common in new managers and in particular female managers.
She needs help but she feels that admitting that would show weakness. In fact, it would be the opposite.