Not stupid reasoning at all. If LLDC could get £100k a day then that'd be £36m a year and it'd be paid off in no time. The total building and conversion costs would be paid off in around 25 years, and ongoing maintenance would be far less than the income, so it'd actually return money to the tax payer.
What's stupid is West Ham and LLDC pretending that West Ham only use it 25 days a year when the reality is it'll be unavailable for all other uses because of West Ham closer to 10x that number.
He's too busy MOG trying to persuade us to vote leave.
Does he want a leave vote to avoid getting in trouble over state aid?
No, that couldn't be it, he's taken a long hard look at his ambition to be PM the issues, and decided to campaign in the bed interests of his ego the country.
I've just done some quick and dirty calculations and its clear that the Grantor (E20 LLP) will get over £10 millio a year from this deal, more than double what Manchester Council get from Man City. Case closed.
I've just done some quick and dirty calculations and its clear that the Grantor (E20 LLP) will get over £10 millio a year from this deal, more than double what Manchester Council get from Man City. Case closed.
Cheers.
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Do Man City also get their staffing and matchday costs covered by Manchester City Council?
I've just done some quick and dirty calculations and its clear that the Grantor (E20 LLP) will get over £10 millio a year from this deal, more than double what Manchester Council get from Man City. Case closed.
Cheers.
I take it you subtracted the estimated £2.5m costs that WHam won't have to pay for, that all other clubs do. You know, little things like goal posts, corner flags, policing you and your lovely fellow fans.
So...we're starting at £0...where is your other £10m coming from??
Quick and dirty calculations is what got us to this sorry state in the first place!
It seems very cheap for West Ham if they don't have to pay for match day costs but get to keep all match day tickets, 30% of all match day food after £500k a season and 50% of naming rights in excess of £4m over 20 years.
How does the pitch work? Can it be wheeled out in sections to allow alternate use or is it fixed in for the season?
It seems very cheap for West Ham if they don't have to pay for match day costs but get to keep all match day tickets, 30% of all match day food after £500k a season and 50% of naming rights in excess of £4m over 20 years.
How does the pitch work? Can it be wheeled out in sections to allow alternate use or is it fixed in for the season?
A magic pixie appears 25 times a year to whisk it away and then return it for the next game. In between the void left is a black hole directly linked with Narnia where all wasted taxpayers' money is passed to forever be lost.
Seems you're wrong with regards to all policing being covered. Furthermore, I guess you're all equally up in arms at the idea at the stadium operator will pay for policing on the stadium island and equipment for any other sports or event that takes place there?
28. POLICE 28.1 The Grantor shall be responsible for procuring and paying for the cost of all police services to be provided on an Event Date within the Island in connection with any Event.
28.2 In the event that the Applicable Laws or ACPO Guidance for Football Deployment and CostsRecovery (or any successor publication) are amended in a manner that would require any Football club to pay for police services in circumstances that extend beyond the stadium of that football club itself and other land owned. leased, or controlled by the relevant football club;
the Concessionaire may, in conjunction with the Grantor, negotiate with, and procure the services of the police with a view to keeping such costs to a minimum: and the Concessionaire and the Grantor shall each pay for 50% of the cost of those police services provided on any Stadium Date.
West Ham have done a deal with their Tory legacy thirsty mates to get a shedloads of free money. It stinks to high heaven, but gavros and his mates can give the rest of us the finger. There is nothing wholesome or proper about this private business being given shedloads of public money, that has no relationship to the actual costs. Of course West Ham are going to glory in this, but their brand will now forever be tainted, I am sure West Ham don't give a damn now they have their snouts in the trough of our money.
F**k me I should have realised it was the pixies that moved it out the ground just after every game to allow the stadium to be rented out immediately after the game was over. Little bleeders.
I've just done some quick and dirty calculations and its clear that the Grantor (E20 LLP) will get over £10 millio a year from this deal, more than double what Manchester Council get from Man City. Case closed.
Cheers.
I'm glad you agree that the economics of this add up to it being a grubby deal at least.
Frankly if it were Charlton that had negotiated a deal that meant £100m's of public money were effectively being pumped into the club I'd be embarrassed and ashamed. That's money that people in the public sector are paying for with their jobs btw not that the government had laying around not knowing what to do with.
It seems very cheap for West Ham if they don't have to pay for match day costs but get to keep all match day tickets, 30% of all match day food after £500k a season and 50% of naming rights in excess of £4m over 20 years.
Indeed. Seeing as 25 days is less than 7% of a year.
Whoever negotiated that deal was either wearing a claret and blue scarf, corrupt, or a cretin.
Personally think our mayor is the last two.
Our Prime Minister is all three (in my opinion) although he seems unsure about which team the claret and blue relates to.
I'm absolutely sure that slip up wasn't by pure chance. The links between The West Ham Board and the current Tory administration are too many for that particular faux pas to be explained as 'brain fade' and just left at that. There's a reason why Dodgy Dave said West Ham and that's because it's a club on his mind.
When they move away from the Boleyn, they won't be West Ham anymore. May as well call themselves Stratford United. The situation is not far removed from MK Dons.
I suspect the Johnny-come-latelys like @Gavros & @ Germaneastender ( that handle is hilarious, there must be hundreds of graves in east London turning over at that name), will love it. Old Skool West Ham will hate it. The Tourists, the Plastics, the away fans singing " You're not West Ham anymore".
One of my best football days out was the1980 Cup Final with my mates from Custom House. Starting in the Greengate pub at 8-30am, Private Routemaster double-decker from West Ham bus garage at 11, Wembley at 1, Trevor Brookings goal, West Ham win the cup, back to the East End, big do in the Gas Board social club in Bow, street party for the kids the next day. Fantastic, every football fan should experience that with their own clubs. Many of my pals have bought season tickets and are giving it a season. They are all suspicious of it going flat. They all know it's a money making exercise for the Porn Brothers and feel the club has been hijacked.
By the way, watched the game last night, the atmosphere was tame. League Cup QF West Ham v Tottenham 1981 was the best I've seen there. The old West Side starting bouncing to " We're not the North Bank, We're not the South Bank, We're the West Side Upton Park" after David Cross had scored a late winner, and the Main Stand was shaking.
It will be a shame if this move messes up a traditional east end football club in pursuit of profits for the owners.
Thanks for your concerns, I've been supporting West Ham for 20 years and I started supporting them when I was working in Barking. As for the war connotations I am aware of all the jokes and also the sad truth that many people in England died and that Germany started the whole thing. Then again Bomber Harris and colleagues flattened my hometown Hamburg with phosphorus bombs with plenty of dead people and hardly any buildings left standing, so it wasn't a one way street really in terms of violence.
As for West Ham changing that is true, it is being discussed among West Ham fans and some are very concerned about the move, some don't like the change of the crest and some are concerned about plastic fans coming along. Then again change is part of nature and football, every club changes, show me one that hasn't. The question is to what degree changes will occur. The OS move gives us an opportunity, not a guarantee to succeed.
I take offence being called a Johnny come lately though. Yes, I only started supporting West Ham 20 years ago. But I didn't join for glory as West Ham were playing very mediocre football back then, fighting relegation quite regularly. I never joined them for glory, to see them play Champions League football or moving into the OS (it was a large dose of luck that the OS was built on our manor) - I became a fan because I liked the passion and atmosphere at the club, the humour of my fellow fans and also the fact they were close to where I lived in Barking.
If you have a problem with that I can't help it. I still maintain that most of you would have gladly taken a similar deal if the OS had been built on your patch. And I still wish your club luck for the future.
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What's stupid is West Ham and LLDC pretending that West Ham only use it 25 days a year when the reality is it'll be unavailable for all other uses because of West Ham closer to 10x that number.
£500k for a venue - I doubt many will pay that!
It's the West Ham way.
No, that couldn't be it, he's taken a long hard look at
his ambition to be PMthe issues, and decided to campaign in the bed interests ofhis egothe country.Cheers.
Do Man City also get their staffing and matchday costs covered by Manchester City Council?
So...we're starting at £0...where is your other £10m coming from??
Quick and dirty calculations is what got us to this sorry state in the first place!
An actual real quote from @DaveMehmet ?
Miracles happen.
How does the pitch work? Can it be wheeled out in sections to allow alternate use or is it fixed in for the season?
28. POLICE
28.1 The Grantor shall be responsible for procuring and paying for the cost of all police services to be provided on an Event Date within the Island in connection with any Event.
28.2 In the event that the Applicable Laws or ACPO Guidance for Football Deployment and CostsRecovery (or any successor publication) are amended in a manner that would require any Football club to pay for police services in circumstances that extend beyond the stadium of that football club itself and other land owned. leased, or controlled by the relevant football club;
the Concessionaire may, in conjunction with the Grantor, negotiate with, and procure the services of the police with a view to keeping such costs to a minimum: and the Concessionaire and the Grantor shall each pay for 50% of the cost of those police services provided on any Stadium Date.
Of course West Ham are going to glory in this, but their brand will now forever be tainted, I am sure West Ham don't give a damn now they have their snouts in the trough of our money.
Frankly if it were Charlton that had negotiated a deal that meant £100m's of public money were effectively being pumped into the club I'd be embarrassed and ashamed. That's money that people in the public sector are paying for with their jobs btw not that the government had laying around not knowing what to do with.
Don't worry mate, I'll find your mind for you. I'm amazed that a gigantic wave of mutiliation has not hit the debaser. Is she wierd?
The moral high ground is naturally the preserve of the club that brought you Carlos Tevez ....
Seeing as 25 days is less than 7% of a year.
I suspect the Johnny-come-latelys like @Gavros & @ Germaneastender ( that handle is hilarious, there must be hundreds of graves in east London turning over at that name), will love it. Old Skool West Ham will hate it. The Tourists, the Plastics, the away fans singing " You're not West Ham anymore".
One of my best football days out was the1980 Cup Final with my mates from Custom House. Starting in the Greengate pub at 8-30am, Private Routemaster double-decker from West Ham bus garage at 11, Wembley at 1, Trevor Brookings goal, West Ham win the cup, back to the East End, big do in the Gas Board social club in Bow, street party for the kids the next day. Fantastic, every football fan should experience that with their own clubs. Many of my pals have bought season tickets and are giving it a season. They are all suspicious of it going flat. They all know it's a money making exercise for the Porn Brothers and feel the club has been hijacked.
By the way, watched the game last night, the atmosphere was tame. League Cup QF West Ham v Tottenham 1981 was the best I've seen there. The old West Side starting bouncing to " We're not the North Bank, We're not the South Bank, We're the West Side Upton Park" after David Cross had scored a late winner, and the Main Stand was shaking.
It will be a shame if this move messes up a traditional east end football club in pursuit of profits for the owners.
A football club dies, and a franchise is born. When The Boleyn is deep under concrete the real West Ham will be buried also. RIP Hammers.
Then again Bomber Harris and colleagues flattened my hometown Hamburg with phosphorus bombs with plenty of dead people and hardly any buildings left standing, so it wasn't a one way street really in terms of violence.
As for West Ham changing that is true, it is being discussed among West Ham fans and some are very concerned about the move, some don't like the change of the crest and some are concerned about plastic fans coming along. Then again change is part of nature and football, every club changes, show me one that hasn't. The question is to what degree changes will occur. The OS move gives us an opportunity, not a guarantee to succeed.
I take offence being called a Johnny come lately though. Yes, I only started supporting West Ham 20 years ago. But I didn't join for glory as West Ham were playing very mediocre football back then, fighting relegation quite regularly.
I never joined them for glory, to see them play Champions League football or moving into the OS (it was a large dose of luck that the OS was built on our manor) - I became a fan because I liked the passion and atmosphere at the club, the humour of my fellow fans and also the fact they were close to where I lived in Barking.
If you have a problem with that I can't help it.
I still maintain that most of you would have gladly taken a similar deal if the OS had been built on your patch. And I still wish your club luck for the future.
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