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Will Trump become President?

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    Obama is the best president the US have had in many years. Will be sad to see him move on.

    Evidence?

    He's had both houses against him for most of his tenure and has achieved very little of what he promised.
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    SDAddick said:

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    Right now its impossible for any relatively sane, sober Republican like Jon Huntsman, Jon Kasich or even Chris Christie to win the GOP nomination because the Tea Party crowd are running the joint and they only want the certified nutters like Trump or the execrable Ted Cruz.

    To be fair the Democratic choice is hardly great either, an uninspiring Hillary Clinton who campaigns with all the aplomb of a tax inspector or the utterly unelectable Bernie Sanders whose policies are hopelessly impractical in the American context.

    If Hillary doesn't get into gear soon I think we may see another big beast emerge into the race on the Democratic side, there is no way Sanders will be allowed to be the nominee.

    John Kasich isn't all that sane, he's just made to look sane by his surroundings.

    As for someone else emerging from the Democrats, Joe Biden aside, there just isn't anyone who could step in and change the race. Joe Biden has left it too late and, coming toward the end of a long and relatively successful political career, wouldn't chance it now.

    My disappointment with the Democrats is that the young, progressive leaders like Cory Booker and Elizabeth Warren clearly got the message to steer clear because this one is earmarked for the Clintons. The two of them can point to accomplishments over the last decade that I think would make many wonder what of substance a current Senator, and former Senator and Secretary of State have contributed.
    I wouldn't rule out Biden yet or even a possible nomination for John Kerry - although he is scarcely a much better campaigner than Hillary.

    Yet again - just as they did in 2007 - the Clinton's have majorly underestimated their challenger and their campaign is on rocky ground from which it will be hard to escape.

    Hillary has two problems, firstly, she has been on the stage for 25 years and she does not excite people, secondly, her campaigning is utterly robotic and lacks a theme - you are always left wondering what her campaign - ergo her Presidency - is actually about?

    That being said she has the extreme good fortune that the Republicans look likely to either nominate the batshit crazy Trump or the lunatic Cruz - despised by many fellow Republicans - so if she wins the Democratic nomination then the Presidency is as good as hers.

    We are not there yet though and if Hillary cannot put away Sanders in the coming primaries then someone else may emerge, there is no way the Democratic corporate funding machine will back a candidate like Sanders.
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    Clinton has the democratic nomination sewn up.

    I wouldn't be so sure, she has thought that before. There is a wave of disaffection amongst the intelligent people of the USA, not many I know, against the obscenely bank-rolled nomination campaigns and this was evident in New Hampshire yesterday, or today if you're out there.
    Hilary Clinton is tainted, soiled goods. All she has going for her is her bare faced cheek to even consider standing!
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    edited February 2016
    And to answer the OP's question, no. The Repuclian Party are in more of a mess than our Labour Party and the only candidate for them who could win would be Elvis; and I don't think he's interested at this moment in time.....
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    What fascinates me the most is how the hell he will conduct American foreign policy - combination of him, Putin, Islamic State and the clown in North Korea should be fun.

    That lot will stand no chance when the mighty Jeremy Corbyn gets into power and starts throwing his weight around with red penned letters all over the shop.
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    I wouldn't rule out Biden yet or even a possible nomination for John Kerry - although he is scarcely a much better campaigner than Hillary.

    Yet again - just as they did in 2007 - the Clinton's have majorly underestimated their challenger and their campaign is on rocky ground from which it will be hard to escape.

    Hillary has two problems, firstly, she has been on the stage for 25 years and she does not excite people, secondly, her campaigning is utterly robotic and lacks a theme - you are always left wondering what her campaign - ergo her Presidency - is actually about?

    That being said she has the extreme good fortune that the Republicans look likely to either nominate the batshit crazy Trump or the lunatic Cruz - despised by many fellow Republicans - so if she wins the Democratic nomination then the Presidency is as good as hers.

    We are not there yet though and if Hillary cannot put away Sanders in the coming primaries then someone else may emerge, there is no way the Democratic corporate funding machine will back a candidate like Sanders.

    My first reaction to John Kerry (the man who I first voted for for president) was "you're having a bubble giraffe." Then I sat here for a couple minutes and thought "I couldn't definitively rule it out." I just can't quite see it, unlike Sanders, they're both lifelong Dems and good party men, and both would risk ruining their "legacies."

    One big, big difference between this year and 2008 is the legality of Super Pacs. Yay. I agree with all of your criticisms of Clinton, but I just think she'll be able to spend her way out of trouble. Also, when it comes to large states with big metropolises, the attitude toward her will change, and there is genuine excitement about a first female president.

    It was sad, though not surprising, to see the John Lewis and the Black Congressional Caucus endorse Hillary Clinton today. I just don't see Bernie Sanders being able to pick up enough of the African-American and/or woman vote from Clinton. But I'd love to be wrong, and I think if he gets through the primaries he gets to the White House.
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    @SDAddick I just have a nagging feeling about Clinton - she is such a wooden campaigner and she lacks a real message - that is the exact same combination that got her into trouble against the insurgent Obama campaign back in 2008.

    Sanders may have many faults but the guy has a strong, clear message and doesn't have any problem spelling it out and he is creating the kind of energy among young voters that Hillary can only dream of.

    As much as I love Bill Clinton and have huge respect for Hillary I also get the sense that Americans are not all that keen on going back to that era - especially after such a ground-breaking Presidency - and are looking for something new and fresh, the trouble being that there is nothing on offer apart from dear old Bernie.
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    Feel the Bern! Would love to see Bernie Sanders get in. Socialist president !
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    Don't forget we could end up with Boris as PM.
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    Don't forget we could end up with Boris as PM.

    Boris & Trump...a disaster in everything from the hair down!
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    Don't forget we could end up with Boris as PM.

    Bojo and Trump. What is it with these bad haircuts?
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    Don't forget we could end up with Boris as PM.

    Bojo and Trump. What is it with these bad haircuts?
    Don't ask me, my haircut is a 1 all over.
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    If Sanders got in, what are the chances of the upper house staying Republican and not letting anything through?
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    Hopefully.
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    edited February 2016
    I watched a Trump rally a couple of weeks ago. I don't know what's more worrying, the pompous egomaniac on the stage or the baying halfwits that cheer his every utterance. I still can't see him getting anywhere near the presidency as it stands but if the economy falls off the cliff or someone lets off a dirty bomb in an American city who knows.
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    edited February 2016
    This is the crappest presidential race in ages. Credit to Sanders for being, like, a real human, but as soon as the kingmakers sniff out this fact he's gone, one way or another.

    I keep waiting for Oprah Winfrey to enter politics and make a play for Dem leader. Sadly looks like it won't happen.
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    @SDAddick I just have a nagging feeling about Clinton - she is such a wooden campaigner and she lacks a real message - that is the exact same combination that got her into trouble against the insurgent Obama campaign back in 2008.

    Sanders may have many faults but the guy has a strong, clear message and doesn't have any problem spelling it out and he is creating the kind of energy among young voters that Hillary can only dream of.

    As much as I love Bill Clinton and have huge respect for Hillary I also get the sense that Americans are not all that keen on going back to that era - especially after such a ground-breaking Presidency - and are looking for something new and fresh, the trouble being that there is nothing on offer apart from dear old Bernie.

    You know, I think we have to agree to agree on this one, because I share your feeling about public attitude toward her. I just think that the party and PAC machines behind her are too strong for such a slip up (including endorsements which will lead to super delegates). Also, Obama, as he showed twice, is a brilliant campaigner. Sanders, for all his good ideas and intentions, it good, but possesses nothing like the groundswell that Obama was able to attract.

    I should back up for a second and be clear, ideologically, it's likely that Bernie Sanders is the closest I will get to voting for someone who shares my economic views. I greatly appreciate that, and he is talking about serious problems in this country that often go unrecognized or undirected, namely that we're turning into a caste system. And he has laid out a solid platform that aims to combat these issues, including having the audacity to say he will raise taxes. This should all be commonplace, but unfortunately it isn't, and for that he deserves immense credit.
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    So Socialist= Human !! We are fecking doomed then
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    I'd have him for President of Charlton. Would be better than 2shats.
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    Surely they can't let that moron run the US?

    It's the States. Anything is possible!!!
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    Maybe. At least he doesn't sidestep the important issues or try to be everybody's friend like the current nonce.

    Good then if he's elected you come take my place in the US and I'll live in England

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    Rossman92 said:

    Maybe. At least he doesn't sidestep the important issues or try to be everybody's friend like the current nonce.

    Good then if he's elected you come take my place in the US and I'll live in England

    Yes Please. By the way Rosman just wondering why you gave me an Abuse for saying Obama is a nonce.. Its called freedom of speech.
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    TelMc32 said:

    Would love to have seen what Obama could have achieved had he not been hit by the financial collapse that meant fire fighting instead of building.

    Haven't yet seen a single candidate who is anywhere near his league.

    What has Obama actually done?
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    edited February 2016
    There are a lot of allegations against the Clintons - don't know if any of it is true or not but here are some examples:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KPXAc2w6gM

    AND http://www.arkancide.com/
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    Obama a socialist? As the saying going, America has a right wing party, and a really right wing party. Just because the democrats aren't quite as crazy right wing as the Republicans doesn't make them even close to being a socialist in any way shape or form.

    I disagree.
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