Trump's popularity for the most part, is a direct consequence of him be able to fund his own campaign. He doesn't have to say what he is expected to say by campaign contributors because he doesn't have any. He says what a lot of people are thinking, the way they are thinking it.
Trump's popularity for the most part, is a direct consequence of him be able to fund his own campaign. He doesn't have to say what he is expected to say by campaign contributors because he doesn't have any. He says what a lot of people are thinking, the way they are thinking it.
Take away the presentation and the ability to make good speeches and Obama is not a great President - probably more comparable to a Tony Blair or David Cameron.
As for the Republicans they are the party of Lincoln. The gun thing is a bit odd, especially to us, but it comes from the 1776 mind-set of ordinary people rather than just standing armies being armed to fight any tyrants who would try and create a dictatorship.
If guns were banned in the U.S now, the only people who would have them would be the Police and the criminals - so if you lived in the middle of nowhere you would have no defense as the police could take a long time to reach you. That is their argument anyway.
Maybe. At least he doesn't sidestep the important issues or try to be everybody's friend like the current nonce.
When you say "nonce" do you mean Obama is a child sex offender?
Or is that your "go to" insult?
Mine is "knob" by the way.
If you scroll back I've Already said I didn't know nonce meant paedo. Yes it was my "go to" insult but now I know the definition I will only use it when appropriate. I will now have to choose another word to express my distaste which doesn't offend anyone, after all we've all seen the horrific consequences of offending people who take offence. By the way in this PC world we live in is anyone actually allowed to call a knob a knob if they are one? sorry if I have offended anyone with that word !
...and Jeb Bush is probably the least scary man currently vying for the Republican nomination
The "least scary one" is a very tightly run thing...but not join a good way. Until last week I'd have probably gone Christie, he's a bit New Jersey, loud, annoying, probably a bit corrupt. But at least he's predictable.
The reason why I hesitate with Jeb! is because of the family connections. Not just his brother George, but also Neil and his assorted crimes. Then there is his father, former contractor to the CIA as far back as the Bay of Pigs and ties to anti-Cuban forces, head of the CIA in the 70s, and then Vice President during the Iran Contra scandal. There are a LOT of skeletons in there.
Then you go back to Jeb!'s grandfather Prescott, who initially made his money by banking with the Nazis. And this isn't even taking in to account the Herbert Walker side of the family with ties to The Klan.
Should a man be condemned by his lineage? No, not unto itself, but he sure does embrace it.
I'd probably go Ben Carson as least harmful, though Jeb! would probably be second. Ben Carson just because he's so clueless, and weird, it's hard to imagine him having an actual impact.
There are a lot of idiots in the states. There are a lot of idiots with guns in the states, which sets us apart from the rest of the Western world. It should be noted that our "idiots" aren't necessarily idiots by choice (or even idiots). Our educational system has been declining ever since we let the blacks in! No, just kidding, but it's been drastically declining for ~40 years, give or take (we let black people join between 60 and maybe 40/5 years ago, depending on where you live, so that's something to be ashamed of too).
We have so many primary and secondary schools across the country who are burdened with the problems of poverty and unemployment and family instability that they have to deal with in addition to schooling children, and it's a perpetually losing battle. It's tragic. I've been pretty forthright on here with regards to my views on race and class and how they hamper good opportunity, but this is borne our by statistics as well. Ours is a stagnant society, across our 50 states we do not consistently and congruently produce young men and women capable of living and being citizens in the 21st century. And this doesn't have anything to do with guns or Donald Trump, those are some of the symptoms, not the ailment.
As an aside, to call the Republicans (or GOP--Grand Old Party) the part of Lincoln ion 2016 is disingenuous at best and deluded at worst. Since the Civil War, there have been, by my count, at least three major political shifts in the country (for simplicity, roughly coinciding with Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Nixon). Unlike Conservative/Tory, Labour*, and (to a lesser extent) Lib Dem, the parties in the US have switched between right and left leaning down the years, to the point where the founding principles of the Republican party (anti-slavery) don't have any practical bearing on the party itself these days.
*I know that it's all a mess now, but there is still more clarity in party ideologies in the UK than there is in the States.
This has already been touched on, but Sanders and even Corbyn are more Keynesian than socialist or marxist. That is that capitalism can be a source of bad as well as good. - if anything should demonstrate the perils of unchecked capitalism, recent economic events are hard to beat. But that isn't to say that capitalism is bad - people need reward for working hard and a capitalist system is the only way to achieve that. Having said that, the conservative party follows Keynesian policies in terms of understanding the need for low interest rates and investment in infrastructure as a means to get out of recession. Where they differ from Keynes is around austerity. Keynes understood that there were conditions where it is acceptable and appropriate and necessary for governments to incur expenditure in excess of taxation revenues during periods of economic stagnation.
I would like to see the term Keynesian used more in politics instead of socialist and marxist, which are philosphies that have been disproved. Free market capitalism has been disproved also, but people still seem to subscribe to it! It will die when people actually realise it doesn't work - it may be the next global crash or the one after, but people will work it out at some point. The wealth distribution on this planet is crazy, but we need wealth creators and always will. It will help when there are no political parties. Just the right people with the right message and ideas.
Neither Trump nor Sanders will be the next president btw.
Thanks for your forthright views on the thread @SDAddick - it's certainly improved my limited knowledge of US Politics. Good to see some honesty as well considering your left leanings.
Might be an idea for one of our US posters to clear up how the election of POTUS works, starting from how candidates can actually get to stand in the primarys. For instance, can you only vote if you're party registered?
I'd also like to understand how all the other minor parties work in the process, from the Prohibition group, through the Greens and the SWP as all we hear about is the Democrat and Republican race. Are they in anyway a realistic alternative?
Take away the presentation and the ability to make good speeches and Obama is not a great President -
It's really his ability to read very well the speeches written by other people. Find a clip of him speaking "on the hoof" and he is far less impressive with lots of umming and ahhing as well as pauses where you can virtually hear the cogs whirring round. Compared with the likes of most front line UK politicians schooled in debating in the Commons bear pit he is far from impressive. (An exception may be Corbyn who seems dead in the water whenever he has to stray from reading a prepared statement.)
There are a lot of idiots in the states. There are a lot of idiots with guns in the states, which sets us apart from the rest of the Western world. It should be noted that our "idiots" aren't necessarily idiots by choice (or even idiots). Our educational system has been declining ever since we let the blacks in! No, just kidding, but it's been drastically declining for ~40 years, give or take (we let black people join between 60 and maybe 40/5 years ago, depending on where you live, so that's something to be ashamed of too).
We have so many primary and secondary schools across the country who are burdened with the problems of poverty and unemployment and family instability that they have to deal with in addition to schooling children, and it's a perpetually losing battle. It's tragic. I've been pretty forthright on here with regards to my views on race and class and how they hamper good opportunity, but this is borne our by statistics as well. Ours is a stagnant society, across our 50 states we do not consistently and congruently produce young men and women capable of living and being citizens in the 21st century. And this doesn't have anything to do with guns or Donald Trump, those are some of the symptoms, not the ailment.
As an aside, to call the Republicans (or GOP--Grand Old Party) the part of Lincoln ion 2016 is disingenuous at best and deluded at worst. Since the Civil War, there have been, by my count, at least three major political shifts in the country (for simplicity, roughly coinciding with Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Nixon). Unlike Conservative/Tory, Labour*, and (to a lesser extent) Lib Dem, the parties in the US have switched between right and left leaning down the years, to the point where the founding principles of the Republican party (anti-slavery) don't have any practical bearing on the party itself these days.
*I know that it's all a mess now, but there is still more clarity in party ideologies in the UK than there is in the States.
Reading your first paragraph made me laugh. I imagine it gave one of flaggier members a seizure.
It's funny when liberals tarnish every right wing voter as stupid it's accepted, yet the liberals are the first the be outrageously offended when the right wing voters categorise a group of people based on religion.
It's funny when liberals tarnish every right wing voter as stupid it's accepted, yet the liberals are the first the be outrageously offended when the right wing voters categorise a group of people based on religion.
Liberals always resort to name-calling when confronted with a reasonable argument, usually the name they call is "racist".
It's funny when liberals tarnish every right wing voter as stupid it's accepted, yet the liberals are the first the be outrageously offended when the right wing voters categorise a group of people based on religion.
Liberals always resort to name-calling when confronted with a reasonable argument, usually the name they call is "racist".
They're usually very open minded and accepting, unless you in any way disagree ever so slightly with one of their opinions.
Maybe. At least he doesn't sidestep the important issues or try to be everybody's friend like the current nonce.
When you say "nonce" do you mean Obama is a child sex offender?
Or is that your "go to" insult?
Mine is "knob" by the way.
If you scroll back I've Already said I didn't know nonce meant paedo. Yes it was my "go to" insult but now I know the definition I will only use it when appropriate. I will now have to choose another word to express my distaste which doesn't offend anyone, after all we've all seen the horrific consequences of offending people who take offence. By the way in this PC world we live in is anyone actually allowed to call a knob a knob if they are one? sorry if I have offended anyone with that word !
Anyone who has travelled extensively around the USA meeting the general population will remain cautious about writing him off, you meet some very strange people. I'm sure he won't win, but he sure is pulling some tails with his outrageous ideas.
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However if he went a bit Ray Winstone, he could be worth having.
As for the Republicans they are the party of Lincoln. The gun thing is a bit odd, especially to us, but it comes from the 1776 mind-set of ordinary people rather than just standing armies being armed to fight any tyrants who would try and create a dictatorship.
If guns were banned in the U.S now, the only people who would have them would be the Police and the criminals - so if you lived in the middle of nowhere you would have no defense as the police could take a long time to reach you. That is their argument anyway.
The reason why I hesitate with Jeb! is because of the family connections. Not just his brother George, but also Neil and his assorted crimes. Then there is his father, former contractor to the CIA as far back as the Bay of Pigs and ties to anti-Cuban forces, head of the CIA in the 70s, and then Vice President during the Iran Contra scandal. There are a LOT of skeletons in there.
Then you go back to Jeb!'s grandfather Prescott, who initially made his money by banking with the Nazis. And this isn't even taking in to account the Herbert Walker side of the family with ties to The Klan.
Should a man be condemned by his lineage? No, not unto itself, but he sure does embrace it.
I'd probably go Ben Carson as least harmful, though Jeb! would probably be second. Ben Carson just because he's so clueless, and weird, it's hard to imagine him having an actual impact.
There are a lot of idiots in the states. There are a lot of idiots with guns in the states, which sets us apart from the rest of the Western world. It should be noted that our "idiots" aren't necessarily idiots by choice (or even idiots). Our educational system has been declining ever since we let the blacks in! No, just kidding, but it's been drastically declining for ~40 years, give or take (we let black people join between 60 and maybe 40/5 years ago, depending on where you live, so that's something to be ashamed of too).
We have so many primary and secondary schools across the country who are burdened with the problems of poverty and unemployment and family instability that they have to deal with in addition to schooling children, and it's a perpetually losing battle. It's tragic. I've been pretty forthright on here with regards to my views on race and class and how they hamper good opportunity, but this is borne our by statistics as well. Ours is a stagnant society, across our 50 states we do not consistently and congruently produce young men and women capable of living and being citizens in the 21st century. And this doesn't have anything to do with guns or Donald Trump, those are some of the symptoms, not the ailment.
As an aside, to call the Republicans (or GOP--Grand Old Party) the part of Lincoln ion 2016 is disingenuous at best and deluded at worst. Since the Civil War, there have been, by my count, at least three major political shifts in the country (for simplicity, roughly coinciding with Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Nixon). Unlike Conservative/Tory, Labour*, and (to a lesser extent) Lib Dem, the parties in the US have switched between right and left leaning down the years, to the point where the founding principles of the Republican party (anti-slavery) don't have any practical bearing on the party itself these days.
*I know that it's all a mess now, but there is still more clarity in party ideologies in the UK than there is in the States.
I would like to see the term Keynesian used more in politics instead of socialist and marxist, which are philosphies that have been disproved. Free market capitalism has been disproved also, but people still seem to subscribe to it! It will die when people actually realise it doesn't work - it may be the next global crash or the one after, but people will work it out at some point. The wealth distribution on this planet is crazy, but we need wealth creators and always will. It will help when there are no political parties. Just the right people with the right message and ideas.
Neither Trump nor Sanders will be the next president btw.
Might be an idea for one of our US posters to clear up how the election of POTUS works, starting from how candidates can actually get to stand in the primarys. For instance, can you only vote if you're party registered?
I'd also like to understand how all the other minor parties work in the process, from the Prohibition group, through the Greens and the SWP as all we hear about is the Democrat and Republican race. Are they in anyway a realistic alternative?
Good to hear that CL is capable of Adult interaction from 99% of posters.
Trump to become President of the USA ?
Trump, My Arse.
Trump is a f****** child.